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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:43 PM
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91. Dupe
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 09:58 PM by Time for change
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  -The problem with Bill Clinton centrism. His intellect obscures core issue. Armstead  Sep-19-05 11:30 AM   #0 
  - Yes, the DLC _is_ elitist, but, fyi,they don't intend to change  HereSince1628   Sep-19-05 11:39 AM   #1 
  - That is why they must be resisted, and marginalized,  Totally Committed   Sep-19-05 11:43 AM   #3 
     - Maybe even less than a fish needs a bicycle  HereSince1628   Sep-19-05 11:50 AM   #8 
  - Armstead, awesome post!  Totally Committed   Sep-19-05 11:41 AM   #2 
  - Thanks. I've been storing that line up for years.  Armstead   Sep-19-05 11:46 AM   #5 
  - That's the problem with wealthy liberals.  NCevilDUer   Sep-19-05 11:43 AM   #4 
  - So explain Jon Corzine  Hippo_Tron   Sep-19-05 02:41 PM   #25 
  - It's a generalization. There are always exceptions to the rule. nt  NCevilDUer   Sep-19-05 03:41 PM   #32 
  - I'm a "wealthy liberal" and to the left of progressive. I reject the DLC.  Seabiscuit   Sep-19-05 09:06 PM   #69 
  - If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker it is not a winning strategy. eom  DURHAM D   Sep-19-05 11:49 AM   #6 
  - In the end its all about winning  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 11:50 AM   #7 
  - That DLC meme is wrong. It's actually all about _serving_  HereSince1628   Sep-19-05 11:57 AM   #10 
  - I disagree with that dichotomy. There are many ways to "win"  Armstead   Sep-19-05 11:57 AM   #11 
  - He was pretty good at losing, too  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 01:52 PM   #13 
     - I agree with this one phrase "continuously shift"  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 02:35 PM   #23 
        - It's chicken and egg problem  Armstead   Sep-19-05 02:42 PM   #26 
        - I think you're asking good questions  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 03:01 PM   #28 
        - It all depends upon how you define "successful"  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 03:20 PM   #30 
           - Well, this might be an unpopular post...  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 03:49 PM   #34 
           - Believe it or not, I agree with that  Armstead   Sep-19-05 05:10 PM   #46 
           - Well, I don't  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 06:50 PM   #55 
              - I am not supporting "burning it down either"  Armstead   Sep-19-05 08:25 PM   #63 
                 - Agreed, no argument there n/t  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 08:45 PM   #65 
           - You have a lot to learn about policy wonks  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 07:01 PM   #56 
              - That's one reason we have to open up beyond DC  Armstead   Sep-19-05 08:29 PM   #64 
              - Oh come on  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 09:10 PM   #70 
                 - You're probably right, but I think my definition best fits Clinton  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 10:09 PM   #77 
           - Right, by the criterion of staying in office, General Francisco Franco  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-19-05 09:30 PM   #72 
  - It's ironic that...  Q   Sep-20-05 05:49 AM   #81 
     - This argument is little more than emotional tripe.  Jim4Wes   Sep-20-05 09:06 PM   #88 
  - This is my problem with Clinton:  madaboutharry   Sep-19-05 11:57 AM   #9 
  - I must admit I'm guilty of that too  Armstead   Sep-19-05 12:01 PM   #12 
  - It's not cynical to be realistic  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 02:01 PM   #16 
     - I agree -- The lack of balanced representation is an issue  Armstead   Sep-19-05 02:07 PM   #18 
  - Aren't comments like this as bad as...  renie408   Sep-19-05 02:01 PM   #15 
  - To repress those who disagree with them  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-19-05 09:34 PM   #73 
  - Clinton's too smart to be that naive  Hippo_Tron   Sep-19-05 02:39 PM   #24 
  - To get something done these days you have to play both sides of the fence  nini   Sep-19-05 01:56 PM   #14 
  - How do you expect the tide to turn...  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 02:05 PM   #17 
  - Do you really think a FAR left agenda will fly right now?  nini   Sep-19-05 02:15 PM   #20 
     - Probably not  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 03:06 PM   #29 
     - Please define a "far left" agenda  Armstead   Sep-19-05 03:58 PM   #36 
        - Agree! Also, we need some MSM coverage of a Socialist Candidate  mestup   Sep-19-05 06:05 PM   #51 
        - Second that! n/t  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 07:04 PM   #57 
  - I think it's more a matter of bargaining from a fixed position  Armstead   Sep-19-05 02:12 PM   #19 
  - Makes sense...  nini   Sep-19-05 02:17 PM   #21 
  - Then why are Repubs not playing both sides of the fence?  rman   Sep-21-05 07:13 AM   #93 
  - The thing is that Bill Clinton was extrodinary enough to fuse  StudentOfDarrow   Sep-19-05 02:19 PM   #22 
  - Ah, the myth.  Disturbed   Sep-19-05 03:00 PM   #27 
  - I agree mostly with your critique of neoliberalism  BL611   Sep-19-05 03:20 PM   #31 
  - The assumption of inevitability is our problem  Armstead   Sep-19-05 03:50 PM   #35 
     - The neoliberal vision of free trade is not inevitable  BL611   Sep-19-05 04:03 PM   #37 
     - Flux is the only constant  Armstead   Sep-19-05 04:12 PM   #39 
        - Yes, but it took the Great depression  BL611   Sep-19-05 04:22 PM   #41 
           - Well, something similar occurred before that  Armstead   Sep-19-05 04:30 PM   #43 
              - Agreed  BL611   Sep-19-05 04:35 PM   #44 
     - Not inevitable, unpredictable.  Jim4Wes   Sep-19-05 04:09 PM   #38 
  - His intellect and stellar personality obscured a lot.  barb162   Sep-19-05 03:45 PM   #33 
  - What is your solution?  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 04:13 PM   #40 
  - I addressed some of it in the posts above  Armstead   Sep-19-05 04:25 PM   #42 
     - Good, I got it and along these lines  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 04:43 PM   #45 
     - May I ask you a question, Armstead?  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 07:28 PM   #58 
        - The framework can be simple, even when the issues are complex  Armstead   Sep-19-05 08:47 PM   #66 
           - Good answer, thanks  KevinJ   Sep-19-05 08:50 PM   #67 
  - Clinton's intellect obscures the problem with neoliberalism  StopThePendulum   Sep-19-05 05:29 PM   #47 
  - okay ... I read your entire post carefully ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-19-05 05:33 PM   #48 
  - The majority are well off- and the  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 05:52 PM   #49 
  - I'm not talking about spin or solgans ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-19-05 05:54 PM   #50 
  - For starters look at what was done in the 20th Century  Armstead   Sep-19-05 06:06 PM   #52 
     - The problem is one of distribution ...  Pepperbelly   Sep-19-05 06:11 PM   #53 
        - The disparity of Income distribution has become obscene  Armstead   Sep-19-05 06:22 PM   #54 
           - But you still haven't suggested any solution to it.  Pepperbelly   Sep-19-05 07:33 PM   #60 
              - Tax corporations first and hardest and stop obscene  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 07:43 PM   #61 
              - What you suggested plus....  Armstead   Sep-19-05 08:15 PM   #62 
                 - Those are out standing!  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 09:15 PM   #71 
  - "majority is well off"? i doubt that very much  rman   Sep-21-05 07:19 AM   #94 
  - I had the same thought  Mr_Spock   Sep-19-05 10:07 PM   #76 
  - Jobs, education, upward mobility, tax corporations fairly  bluedawg12   Sep-19-05 07:33 PM   #59 
  - The rich don't shareever. Ever. Never ever.  valerief   Sep-19-05 09:01 PM   #68 
  - Arianna Huffington: "Bill Clinton's Muddled Attempt to Own the Middle"  understandinglife   Sep-19-05 09:45 PM   #74 
  - Democratic "Centrists"!  bvar22   Sep-19-05 09:57 PM   #75 
  - Ha,ha  Armstead   Sep-20-05 10:30 AM   #82 
  - Recommended.  Nothing Without Hope   Sep-19-05 11:00 PM   #78 
  - Interesting and very well written!  Stockholm   Sep-20-05 04:14 AM   #79 
  - There are a million ways to say it...  Q   Sep-20-05 05:42 AM   #80 
  - Very well said  Time for change   Sep-20-05 10:54 AM   #83 
  - Thanks.However, I don't there's a danger of going too far  Armstead   Sep-20-05 11:41 AM   #85 
     - Yes, it would be wonderful to turn the tables on the media weasels and GOP  Time for change   Sep-20-05 01:25 PM   #86 
        - However the MSM didn;t'beat Clinton....or Dean in the long run  Armstead   Sep-20-05 04:59 PM   #87 
           - Well, I wish and hope to God that you're right about that  Time for change   Sep-20-05 09:41 PM   #90 
           - Dupe  Time for change   Sep-20-05 09:43 PM   #91 
  - Most DU'ers are light years ahead of the people  bluedawg12   Sep-20-05 11:13 AM   #84 
  - I think you hit the nail on the head  Geek_Girl   Sep-20-05 09:20 PM   #89 
  - You succinctly summarized my point  Armstead   Sep-21-05 02:25 PM   #95 
  - Yes, that would be very refreshing indeed --  Time for change   Sep-21-05 09:09 PM   #96 
  - the ignorance and hubris of the wealthy  ulysses   Sep-20-05 10:04 PM   #92 
  - Kick.....  KoKo01   Sep-25-05 08:19 AM   #97 
 

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