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Mon Sep-19-05 01:56 PM
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| 14. To get something done these days you have to play both sides of the fence |
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That's what I see in him.
Considering the state of this country today, it is about the only way we'll get anything accomplished.
Do I wish it was different? Absolutely! But the reality says different and I'll take anything until we can turn the tide back our way.
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| -The problem with Bill Clinton centrism. His intellect obscures core issue. |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 11:30 AM |
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Yes, the DLC _is_ elitist, but, fyi,they don't intend to change |
HereSince1628 |
Sep-19-05 11:39 AM |
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That is why they must be resisted, and marginalized, |
Totally Committed |
Sep-19-05 11:43 AM |
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Maybe even less than a fish needs a bicycle |
HereSince1628 |
Sep-19-05 11:50 AM |
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Armstead, awesome post! |
Totally Committed |
Sep-19-05 11:41 AM |
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Thanks. I've been storing that line up for years. |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 11:46 AM |
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That's the problem with wealthy liberals. |
NCevilDUer |
Sep-19-05 11:43 AM |
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So explain Jon Corzine |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-19-05 02:41 PM |
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It's a generalization. There are always exceptions to the rule. nt |
NCevilDUer |
Sep-19-05 03:41 PM |
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I'm a "wealthy liberal" and to the left of progressive. I reject the DLC. |
Seabiscuit |
Sep-19-05 09:06 PM |
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If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker it is not a winning strategy. eom |
DURHAM D |
Sep-19-05 11:49 AM |
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In the end its all about winning |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 11:50 AM |
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That DLC meme is wrong. It's actually all about _serving_ |
HereSince1628 |
Sep-19-05 11:57 AM |
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I disagree with that dichotomy. There are many ways to "win" |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 11:57 AM |
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He was pretty good at losing, too |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 01:52 PM |
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I agree with this one phrase "continuously shift" |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 02:35 PM |
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It's chicken and egg problem |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 02:42 PM |
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I think you're asking good questions |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 03:01 PM |
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It all depends upon how you define "successful" |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 03:20 PM |
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Well, this might be an unpopular post... |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 03:49 PM |
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Believe it or not, I agree with that |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 05:10 PM |
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Well, I don't |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 06:50 PM |
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I am not supporting "burning it down either" |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 08:25 PM |
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Agreed, no argument there n/t |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 08:45 PM |
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You have a lot to learn about policy wonks |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 07:01 PM |
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That's one reason we have to open up beyond DC |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 08:29 PM |
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Oh come on |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 09:10 PM |
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You're probably right, but I think my definition best fits Clinton |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 10:09 PM |
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Right, by the criterion of staying in office, General Francisco Franco |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-05 09:30 PM |
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It's ironic that... |
Q |
Sep-20-05 05:49 AM |
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This argument is little more than emotional tripe. |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-20-05 09:06 PM |
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This is my problem with Clinton: |
madaboutharry |
Sep-19-05 11:57 AM |
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I must admit I'm guilty of that too |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 12:01 PM |
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It's not cynical to be realistic |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 02:01 PM |
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I agree -- The lack of balanced representation is an issue |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 02:07 PM |
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Aren't comments like this as bad as... |
renie408 |
Sep-19-05 02:01 PM |
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To repress those who disagree with them |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-05 09:34 PM |
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Clinton's too smart to be that naive |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-19-05 02:39 PM |
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To get something done these days you have to play both sides of the fence |
nini |
Sep-19-05 01:56 PM |
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How do you expect the tide to turn... |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 02:05 PM |
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Do you really think a FAR left agenda will fly right now? |
nini |
Sep-19-05 02:15 PM |
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Probably not |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 03:06 PM |
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Please define a "far left" agenda |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 03:58 PM |
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Agree! Also, we need some MSM coverage of a Socialist Candidate |
mestup |
Sep-19-05 06:05 PM |
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Second that! n/t |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 07:04 PM |
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I think it's more a matter of bargaining from a fixed position |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 02:12 PM |
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Makes sense... |
nini |
Sep-19-05 02:17 PM |
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Then why are Repubs not playing both sides of the fence? |
rman |
Sep-21-05 07:13 AM |
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The thing is that Bill Clinton was extrodinary enough to fuse |
StudentOfDarrow |
Sep-19-05 02:19 PM |
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Ah, the myth. |
Disturbed |
Sep-19-05 03:00 PM |
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I agree mostly with your critique of neoliberalism |
BL611 |
Sep-19-05 03:20 PM |
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The assumption of inevitability is our problem |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 03:50 PM |
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The neoliberal vision of free trade is not inevitable |
BL611 |
Sep-19-05 04:03 PM |
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Flux is the only constant |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 04:12 PM |
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Yes, but it took the Great depression |
BL611 |
Sep-19-05 04:22 PM |
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Well, something similar occurred before that |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 04:30 PM |
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Agreed |
BL611 |
Sep-19-05 04:35 PM |
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Not inevitable, unpredictable. |
Jim4Wes |
Sep-19-05 04:09 PM |
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His intellect and stellar personality obscured a lot. |
barb162 |
Sep-19-05 03:45 PM |
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What is your solution? |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 04:13 PM |
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I addressed some of it in the posts above |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 04:25 PM |
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Good, I got it and along these lines |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 04:43 PM |
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May I ask you a question, Armstead? |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 07:28 PM |
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The framework can be simple, even when the issues are complex |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 08:47 PM |
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Good answer, thanks |
KevinJ |
Sep-19-05 08:50 PM |
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Clinton's intellect obscures the problem with neoliberalism |
StopThePendulum |
Sep-19-05 05:29 PM |
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okay ... I read your entire post carefully ... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-19-05 05:33 PM |
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The majority are well off- and the |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 05:52 PM |
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I'm not talking about spin or solgans ... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-19-05 05:54 PM |
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For starters look at what was done in the 20th Century |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 06:06 PM |
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The problem is one of distribution ... |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-19-05 06:11 PM |
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The disparity of Income distribution has become obscene |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 06:22 PM |
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But you still haven't suggested any solution to it. |
Pepperbelly |
Sep-19-05 07:33 PM |
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Tax corporations first and hardest and stop obscene |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 07:43 PM |
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What you suggested plus.... |
Armstead |
Sep-19-05 08:15 PM |
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Those are out standing! |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 09:15 PM |
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"majority is well off"? i doubt that very much |
rman |
Sep-21-05 07:19 AM |
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I had the same thought |
Mr_Spock |
Sep-19-05 10:07 PM |
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Jobs, education, upward mobility, tax corporations fairly |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-19-05 07:33 PM |
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The rich don't share…ever. Ever. Never ever. |
valerief |
Sep-19-05 09:01 PM |
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Arianna Huffington: "Bill Clinton's Muddled Attempt to Own the Middle" |
understandinglife |
Sep-19-05 09:45 PM |
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Democratic "Centrists"! |
bvar22 |
Sep-19-05 09:57 PM |
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Ha,ha |
Armstead |
Sep-20-05 10:30 AM |
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Recommended. |
Nothing Without Hope |
Sep-19-05 11:00 PM |
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Interesting and very well written! |
Stockholm |
Sep-20-05 04:14 AM |
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There are a million ways to say it... |
Q |
Sep-20-05 05:42 AM |
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Very well said |
Time for change |
Sep-20-05 10:54 AM |
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Thanks.However, I don't there's a danger of going too far |
Armstead |
Sep-20-05 11:41 AM |
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Yes, it would be wonderful to turn the tables on the media weasels and GOP |
Time for change |
Sep-20-05 01:25 PM |
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However the MSM didn;t'beat Clinton....or Dean in the long run |
Armstead |
Sep-20-05 04:59 PM |
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Well, I wish and hope to God that you're right about that |
Time for change |
Sep-20-05 09:41 PM |
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Dupe |
Time for change |
Sep-20-05 09:43 PM |
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Most DU'ers are light years ahead of the people |
bluedawg12 |
Sep-20-05 11:13 AM |
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I think you hit the nail on the head |
Geek_Girl |
Sep-20-05 09:20 PM |
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You succinctly summarized my point |
Armstead |
Sep-21-05 02:25 PM |
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Yes, that would be very refreshing indeed -- |
Time for change |
Sep-21-05 09:09 PM |
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the ignorance and hubris of the wealthy |
ulysses |
Sep-20-05 10:04 PM |
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Kick..... |
KoKo01 |
Sep-25-05 08:19 AM |
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