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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 02:45 PM
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96. I'm tired of it too
We've wasted 3 years with this bullshit. Withdraw NOW means withdraw NOW. Anybody who doesn't really support that should stop saying they do. That includes Kucinich and Woolsey and Hackett, etc. If they change their position, they should clearly say so and NEVER go back to "timeframes" and "benchmarks". NOW means NOW. If you don't mean it, don't say it. Same goes for anti-Iraq war. If Biden and Clark support the same policy, you can't call one a warmonger and the other anti-war.

And John Kerry's view on Iraq has been identical to Clark's from day one. If you read ALL Clark's testimony to Congress and ALL of what he has said since then.
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  -Is there any Democratic UNITER on the bench for 08? Armstead  Aug-28-05 10:41 AM   #0 
  - It doesn't appear so.  CarbonDate   Aug-28-05 10:46 AM   #1 
  - As an additional point:  CarbonDate   Aug-28-05 10:48 AM   #3 
  - You may be right in a subconscious way  Armstead   Aug-28-05 10:55 AM   #9 
  - That may be true.  kevsand   Aug-28-05 10:57 AM   #12 
     - Fierce loyalty  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:20 AM   #29 
  - Bush?  jmatthan   Aug-28-05 10:47 AM   #2 
  - He can't run in 08  Armstead   Aug-28-05 10:48 AM   #4 
     - Jeb?  jmatthan   Aug-30-05 09:26 AM   #123 
  - Sadly, none of the presumed "leaders" meet your criteria.  speedoo   Aug-28-05 10:53 AM   #5 
  - Clark is flawed, but still the best bet  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 10:54 AM   #6 
  - I love Clark. Surely his message would be the most receptive to  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 10:56 AM   #10 
  - You have to have followers to be a leader.  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 11:05 AM   #22 
     - I hope you are right. Clark is the president we need right  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 11:15 AM   #27 
        - I couldn't agree more. CLARK.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-05 11:20 AM   #30 
           - The bush gang feared Clark more than any of the rest. Because they  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 11:22 AM   #31 
  - No it does not  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 10:59 AM   #14 
     - you can't criticize a bad doctor if you agree with his diagnosis  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 11:15 AM   #26 
     - If the doctor LIED???  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 12:00 PM   #49 
        - I missed the warning sign  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 01:11 PM   #68 
        - Good  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 01:59 PM   #84 
        - I criticized Hillary  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 02:38 PM   #90 
           - "flying fuck at a rolling donut"  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:49 PM   #97 
              - So I will revise my statement  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 02:58 PM   #100 
                 - I don't have the equipment  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 03:57 PM   #111 
                    - That creates an interesting philosophical paradox  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 04:30 PM   #113 
        - Sandnsea is a Kerry supporter. n/t  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 02:19 PM   #87 
           - Sandnsea is a truth supporter  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:35 PM   #89 
              - Define "truth." n/t  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 02:41 PM   #94 
                 - Truth is based on fact  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:51 PM   #98 
                    - Define "winning/succeeding."  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 03:01 PM   #104 
                       - Security, Reconstruction, Elections  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 03:46 PM   #108 
        - Who (other than Biden) has claimed  Texas_Kat   Aug-28-05 01:13 PM   #70 
           - What difference does it make?  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:05 PM   #85 
              - I didn't ask you that....  Texas_Kat   Aug-28-05 02:57 PM   #99 
                 - No I didn't  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 03:56 PM   #110 
                    - Thanks for clarifying your thought.  Texas_Kat   Aug-28-05 04:27 PM   #112 
                       - It is for everybody else  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 05:39 PM   #118 
     - You must have missed MTP today....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 11:28 AM   #35 
     - Read his damned op-ed  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 11:53 AM   #47 
        - You may have read the op-ed....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 12:00 PM   #50 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-28-05 12:18 PM   #59 
           - Clark sucking idiots ?  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 12:21 PM   #60 
           - You missed the sign too  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 01:36 PM   #75 
           - I'm confused temporarily.....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 01:53 PM   #81 
              - Sorry I was trying to make a joke. I failed, I apologize.  cosmik debris   Aug-28-05 02:40 PM   #92 
           - Clark supports winning in Iraq  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:39 PM   #91 
           - Clark is a consistent spokesperson  Tom Rinaldo   Aug-28-05 01:43 PM   #79 
              - I agree with you  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:33 PM   #88 
        - I'm sorry you're so bitter, but I'm also damned sick  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 01:36 PM   #74 
           - I'm tired of it too  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:45 PM   #96 
     - Clark was not and is not pro-Iraqi war?  Clark2008   Aug-28-05 05:47 PM   #121 
  - Hillary is probably the closest. Our party suffers from ego and  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 10:54 AM   #7 
  - Hart is campaigning for Feingold  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 10:57 AM   #11 
  - Ahhh. Very interesting.  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 10:59 AM   #15 
  - I wish he'd run himself  OzarkDem   Aug-28-05 11:11 AM   #25 
  - I wish he save the bashing, period.  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 03:13 PM   #106 
     - Amen!!!  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 05:31 PM   #117 
  - I think Hart was absolutely right to go public  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:27 AM   #34 
     - i strongly agree  welshTerrier2   Aug-28-05 11:51 AM   #45 
     - Surely Hart knows that the repukes will denounce the Dems from  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 05:40 PM   #119 
  - Charismatically challenged?  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 10:55 AM   #8 
  - Feingold is great but...  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:00 AM   #16 
     - Feingold will be labeled, "Anti-War." The Dems have foolishly  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 11:02 AM   #19 
     - But he's being smart about it  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:07 AM   #23 
     - Nope. The reality is the bush gang doesn't want to leave. The reality is  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 11:19 AM   #28 
     - Fieingold has started that  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:39 AM   #38 
     - Feingold's proposal is a mirage.....with no plan attached to it....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 11:39 AM   #37 
        - I think I agree with you  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:43 AM   #39 
           - But you can't be coy like that in today's enviornment it doesn't work.  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 12:33 PM   #62 
     - The left wants to be anti-war  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 12:01 PM   #51 
        - I know that very well. It's up to our "leaders" to make the distinction..  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 12:31 PM   #61 
           - Clark & Dean support winning in Iraq  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 02:12 PM   #86 
              - Look, we need to define our terms and come up  LandOLincoln   Aug-28-05 02:40 PM   #93 
     - What are you  safi0   Aug-28-05 11:45 AM   #41 
        - Presidential charisma  Armstead   Aug-28-05 12:07 PM   #53 
           - I think that Feingold has "fine" charisma.....and that this will  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 12:18 PM   #58 
  - Brian Schweitzer is a possibility  ruggerson   Aug-28-05 10:58 AM   #13 
  - Thanks  Armstead   Aug-28-05 12:10 PM   #54 
     - Check this out:  ruggerson   Aug-28-05 12:13 PM   #56 
  - Feingold is a progressive who appeals to independents  dmordue   Aug-28-05 11:00 AM   #17 
  - He does? How do you know he appeals to independents..  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 11:02 AM   #20 
     - Working for his 04 Campaign  safi0   Aug-28-05 11:53 AM   #46 
        - That's typical local politics  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 12:04 PM   #52 
        - Feingold didn't run  safi0   Aug-28-05 02:43 PM   #95 
           - Let's look at his campaign  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 06:05 PM   #122 
        - Local does not translate into national.  Kahuna   Aug-28-05 05:46 PM   #120 
  - Go with a governor. Go with Rendell.  Emendator   Aug-28-05 11:01 AM   #18 
  - Here's a recent piece on Schweitzer  ruggerson   Aug-28-05 11:05 AM   #21 
  - Don't care about 2008, only 2005  OzarkDem   Aug-28-05 11:10 AM   #24 
  - Don't care about 2008 yet, but we have to or we'll get stuck again  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:24 AM   #32 
     - If things don't improve in the problems facing the US today  OzarkDem   Aug-28-05 12:16 PM   #57 
  - I'm sorry Armstead.....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 11:25 AM   #33 
  - I followed him in the races.  Armstead   Aug-28-05 11:34 AM   #36 
     - Well, I agree that Wes Clark must get into the economic aspects  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 11:44 AM   #40 
        - All Democrats should challenge the corporate media  Armstead   Aug-28-05 12:12 PM   #55 
           - But when they do, they get "shut out".....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 12:53 PM   #65 
              - Democrats have to stand up to the Media  Armstead   Aug-28-05 01:35 PM   #72 
                 - I agree....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 01:37 PM   #76 
  - Edwards  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 11:45 AM   #42 
  - What is Edwards' stance on the War as it stands now....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 11:53 AM   #48 
     - That's why I provided his link.....  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 12:34 PM   #63 
        - I'm sorry, but if Edwards doesn't have a stance that you can  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 12:41 PM   #64 
           - 2006/min wage initiatives bring out the voters?  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 01:02 PM   #66 
              - But, but, but....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 01:23 PM   #71 
                 - Don't be so negative :sigh:  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 01:35 PM   #73 
                    - Asking a Democrat for a plan on the subject that is ....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 01:41 PM   #77 
                       - Apology accepted :) ~n/t  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 01:43 PM   #78 
                          - So why your negativity over on this thread.....  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 01:46 PM   #80 
                             - Nothing about Clark here, just bumbling "retired" generals  Catchawave   Aug-28-05 01:59 PM   #83 
                                - So Clark was not included in your remarks of  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 02:59 PM   #102 
  - Conyers & Boxer...or .....Boxer & Conyers.  sellitman   Aug-28-05 11:45 AM   #43 
  - Clark/ Fiengold or Hackett in '08  JohnnyBoots   Aug-28-05 11:47 AM   #44 
  - Clark/Hackett? Oh yeah, that'll work....  AntiCoup2K4   Aug-28-05 01:12 PM   #69 
     - Yeah voters love to vote for politicians.  Skwmom   Aug-28-05 03:55 PM   #109 
  - My Personal Prediction  BlueStater   Aug-28-05 01:09 PM   #67 
  - We'd win in that scenario.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-28-05 01:54 PM   #82 
  - M. Warner & W. Clark ticket  liberalitch   Aug-28-05 02:59 PM   #101 
  - Well at least  FrenchieCat   Aug-28-05 03:01 PM   #103 
  - Killbotfactory?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-28-05 03:02 PM   #105 
  - *snicker*  salin   Aug-28-05 05:22 PM   #114 
  - huh?  Armstead   Aug-28-05 05:29 PM   #115 
  - No, there will always be people who don't like the candidate.  TheDonkey   Aug-28-05 03:45 PM   #107 
  - Al Gore  demzilla   Aug-28-05 05:30 PM   #116 
  - Can't really see how Hillary can be any kind of uniter  CWebster   Aug-30-05 09:35 AM   #124 
  - Maybe Russ is the type who grows on you  Armstead   Aug-30-05 09:58 AM   #125 
     - He is pretty hunky for a politician  CWebster   Aug-30-05 10:35 AM   #126 
  - No one mentioned is a true uniter. I still go with Kerry!  second edition   Aug-30-05 10:44 AM   #127 
     - Not enough, apparently to win  CWebster   Aug-30-05 10:53 AM   #128 
 

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