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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:39 AM
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50. Well, judging by the noise they are making,
And the sabers they are rattling, yes, these pro-war Democrats are in favor of the war. Clinton is calling for 80,000 more troops, they continue to vote for every war financing bill that comes through the Senate, they seem to be wanting to our hawk the chicken hawks. And the blood on their hands is only somewhat less than that on the hands of Bushco.

As far as Hagel's draft proposal, I can see the point that he is trying to make, but I think a draft for whatever reason is a bad idea. If nothing else we need to be starving this war of money and manpower. Throwing a draft into the mix will simply allow Bushco to continue their perpetual war for oil and empire.
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  -Are 'Pro War' Democrats really in favor of war? Husb2Sparkly  Aug-27-05 01:31 PM   #0 
  - I seen Rangel's call for a draft as in your face to the pro-war folks n/t  madokie   Aug-27-05 01:37 PM   #1 
  - So do I. I think it is a smart strategy.  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-27-05 05:51 PM   #11 
  - "Pro war" just a vicious sloganeering by Cadet Issue Framers  Inland   Aug-27-05 01:39 PM   #2 
  - Those that voted for Iraq War Resolution were prowar!  IndianaGreen   Aug-27-05 01:49 PM   #4 
     - No, as you said, they "enabled" Bush.  Inland   Aug-27-05 01:52 PM   #5 
  - Any Dem this side of Zell Miller would've let the weapons inspections WORK  blm   Aug-27-05 01:39 PM   #3 
  - And in fact, the war resolution called for Bush to avoid war  Inland   Aug-27-05 01:53 PM   #6 
     - IWR would have PREVENTED war if it was implemented by an honest president.  blm   Aug-27-05 02:14 PM   #9 
        - It would have shackled a president who was prowar but not anti democracy  Inland   Aug-27-05 02:27 PM   #10 
        - Very true  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-27-05 05:54 PM   #12 
        - so those who voted against IWR wanted the war?  darboy   Aug-27-05 07:00 PM   #15 
           - no....they saw no need to hold Saddam accountable at all. But why let Bush  blm   Aug-27-05 07:14 PM   #16 
           - what guidelines?  darboy   Aug-27-05 07:23 PM   #17 
              - Ceding to Bush the power to declare war was--and is--inexcusable!  TMA68   Aug-27-05 10:27 PM   #19 
              - You don't understand that Bush DIDN'T FOLLOW the IWR guidelines and LIED  blm   Aug-28-05 08:36 AM   #20 
                 - I understand, and understood when the IWR was held.  Totally Committed   Aug-28-05 08:52 AM   #21 
                 - Incorrect. Kerry sent a letter of inquiry reDSM to Intel committee and 9  blm   Aug-28-05 08:57 AM   #23 
                 - If the resolution failed there would almost certainly have been war  karynnj   Aug-29-05 09:11 AM   #51 
                 - Here I am hearing the Kerryite spin  darboy   Aug-28-05 08:54 AM   #22 
                    - Biden-Lugar required Bush send letter to Congress the day he invaded while  blm   Aug-28-05 09:03 AM   #24 
                       - one acronym  darboy   Aug-28-05 09:08 AM   #25 
                          - It was up to the WEAPONS INSPECTIONS. You really don't comprehend the  blm   Aug-28-05 09:18 AM   #26 
                             - I voted for Kerry  darboy   Aug-28-05 12:20 PM   #32 
                                - Congrats! You keep letting Bush off the hook, over and over again.  blm   Aug-28-05 12:25 PM   #33 
                                   - Its still bush's fault  darboy   Aug-28-05 03:56 PM   #38 
                                      - I believe he did admit that it was a mistake.  globalvillage   Aug-28-05 04:13 PM   #40 
                                      - Because the damn IWR isn't WHY we're in Iraq. NOONE else IS responsible  blm   Aug-29-05 08:32 AM   #48 
           - No they didn't  karynnj   Aug-29-05 09:18 AM   #52 
  - Hard to say.  Gonnabuymeagun   Aug-27-05 02:05 PM   #7 
  - You said ......  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-27-05 06:02 PM   #13 
     - It had been US conventional wisdom for at least a decade  karynnj   Aug-29-05 09:39 AM   #54 
  - It's not just the Pottery Barn analogy.  longship   Aug-27-05 02:10 PM   #8 
  - I can see a middle ground  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-27-05 06:08 PM   #14 
     - in my view  Senator Lamb   Aug-27-05 07:54 PM   #18 
        - Agree with you "in part"  Donna Zen   Aug-28-05 09:32 AM   # 
  - Different reasons for different people  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 09:32 AM   #27 
  - Wow, you echoes my thoughts.  Donna Zen   Aug-28-05 09:34 AM   #28 
     - A little  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 09:43 AM   #29 
        - The reason I disagree:  Donna Zen   Aug-28-05 10:00 AM   #30 
           - Bush still would have lied  sandnsea   Aug-28-05 10:33 AM   #31 
  - Part fear of news media/ part Stockholm Syndrome  OzarkDem   Aug-28-05 12:32 PM   #34 
  - I believe that many of them believed in saving their political asses.  bklyncowgirl   Aug-28-05 01:06 PM   #35 
  - Biden is definitely pro war and pro imperialism (and a PNAC signator)  AntiCoup2K4   Aug-28-05 01:17 PM   #36 
  - I believe such votes were made from cowardice & political calculus  kenny blankenship   Aug-28-05 01:45 PM   #37 
  - That's not rational ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-28-05 04:03 PM   #39 
     - Yep, hindsight is the word  CTyankee   Aug-28-05 04:53 PM   #41 
     - Not hindsight AT ALL  kenny blankenship   Aug-28-05 05:08 PM   #43 
        - As a lifelong Democrat, let me say  CTyankee   Aug-28-05 06:56 PM   #47 
        - I was against the war  karynnj   Aug-29-05 09:56 AM   #55 
     - I must be more perceptive than you  kenny blankenship   Aug-28-05 04:59 PM   #42 
        - geez ... I bet it's pretty cool being ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-28-05 05:12 PM   #44 
           - I believed Mohammed El Bardei over Dick "reconstituted nukes" CHeney  kenny blankenship   Aug-28-05 05:17 PM   #45 
              - gee ...you're so full of advice ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-28-05 05:23 PM   #46 
              - Wasn't the disagreement with El Baradei AFTER the vote  karynnj   Aug-29-05 10:08 AM   #56 
  - Rangel's call for a draft is idiotic both morally and politically  enough already   Aug-29-05 08:34 AM   #49 
  - Well, judging by the noise they are making,  MadHound   Aug-29-05 08:39 AM   #50 
  - Some dems do in fact  mmonk   Aug-29-05 09:22 AM   #53 
 

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