| 125. Now we're into "shoulds" |
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I never said I was debating. I'm stating my opinions. If you disagree, fine.
I'll go as far as I care to.
In fact! I think Wesley Clark is a DANGER and always have. I cannot help it if some people see him as the new Messiah, but I'll be god damned if I sit down and shut up about my view.
Thanks again.
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| -Wes Clark says,.. "Clock is Ticking..." |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-25-05 06:03 PM |
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I've got a 3-step plan for getting out of Iraq |
wli |
Aug-25-05 06:04 PM |
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Sounds a little complex. |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-05 08:22 PM |
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I'm no Tom Hayden; my timetable is 24 hours. n/t |
wli |
Aug-25-05 08:32 PM |
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I like the plan, man! |
The Traveler |
Aug-25-05 09:08 PM |
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I'm still wondering what |
mmonk |
Aug-25-05 06:05 PM |
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Just a dumb question, probably... |
Frustratedlady |
Aug-25-05 06:30 PM |
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There were stories about Kerry during the campaign turning to one of |
FloridaPat |
Aug-25-05 06:47 PM |
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How Would A Kerry Win Have Changed This Mess |
Frustratedlady |
Aug-25-05 06:56 PM |
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Kerry gave a 4 point plan in Sept at NYU |
karynnj |
Aug-26-05 01:34 AM |
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We leave |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 07:12 PM |
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Stay the course,.. and neocons will reach the end of the world |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-25-05 07:49 PM |
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Kerry is very tight with Kofi Annan, and he knows EXACTLY what it would |
blm |
Aug-25-05 09:04 PM |
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Interesting..thanks for posting this. |
zidzi |
Aug-25-05 06:06 PM |
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I didn't start out as a Clark supporter. |
charlyvi |
Aug-25-05 06:06 PM |
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I have absolutely NO |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 06:12 PM |
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Perhaps you should read |
ArkySue |
Aug-25-05 07:50 PM |
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If we stay more of our troops will die. What could be worse than that? |
heidler1 |
Aug-25-05 06:13 PM |
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The deaths of thousands more in a civil war. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:17 PM |
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Do you know of a world wide poll that shows your statement is true? |
heidler1 |
Aug-25-05 06:24 PM |
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International Law, not a poll. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:40 PM |
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Poster wants a poll! |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 11:33 PM |
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FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:41 PM |
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The world recognizes no such thing |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 06:27 PM |
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This is an obligation of the occupying power. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:38 PM |
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Fuck Ira*q? |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 07:19 PM |
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We all hate GW |
BlueJac |
Aug-26-05 09:03 AM |
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My idea is minimize the damage |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 07:59 PM |
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UN Forces alone is not capable, esp with Bolton, Russia, and China |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-25-05 09:33 PM |
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Whatever |
OzarkDem |
Aug-26-05 08:27 AM |
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And what genie have you beckoned to grant this wish? |
Clark2008 |
Aug-26-05 12:25 PM |
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I agree, give the U.N. the oil and come home. |
heidler1 |
Aug-26-05 12:50 AM |
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After an unjust invasion ... |
tabasco |
Aug-25-05 08:17 PM |
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Good points |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 08:38 PM |
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Whaaa? |
liberalpragmatist |
Aug-25-05 09:57 PM |
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At least they had elections! |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 02:50 AM |
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These are cultures |
OzarkDem |
Aug-26-05 08:31 AM |
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Well, I'm not calling for us to invade and change their govt |
liberalpragmatist |
Aug-26-05 10:18 AM |
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We're in agreement, then |
OzarkDem |
Aug-26-05 12:39 PM |
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There might be a civil war if we stay. |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-05 08:27 PM |
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Democrats Fumble Iraq Policy |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 06:16 PM |
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What's the plan, Wes? |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 06:18 PM |
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"Hopefully they'll be published soon, in a different newspaper." |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:26 PM |
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Why not post it on his web site? |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 06:28 PM |
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He''s had it on his web site all along! |
trillian |
Aug-25-05 07:42 PM |
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You have to talk, use diplomacy |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 06:28 PM |
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I don't have time |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 06:31 PM |
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Agree, diplomacy is not enough. |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 06:43 PM |
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What I read in the post |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 08:01 PM |
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So...you want him to email you personally? You want face |
LandOLincoln |
Aug-25-05 10:20 PM |
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Aug-26-05 03:02 AM |
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The OP was a blog to his base |
Jai4WKC08 |
Aug-26-05 11:16 AM |
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Is it even possible to make matters worse? eom |
Child_Of_Isis |
Aug-25-05 06:19 PM |
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yessum......it is possible. |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:31 AM |
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Dear Wes.... |
LTRS |
Aug-25-05 06:24 PM |
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You'd have to watch Faux to see that. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:28 PM |
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And while you're at it |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 06:29 PM |
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Well he has "updated his views" |
LTRS |
Aug-25-05 06:33 PM |
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Absolutely |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 07:10 PM |
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He's been telling you what his views are since before |
Boo Boo |
Aug-25-05 07:21 PM |
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The plan is here! |
ArkySue |
Aug-25-05 07:57 PM |
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Thanks! Eureka! |
OzarkDem |
Aug-25-05 08:14 PM |
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This was the original plan. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 08:30 PM |
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Wes was excellent this morning |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 06:38 PM |
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But of course his plan on how to do that is a secret |
LTRS |
Aug-25-05 06:42 PM |
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The Dems don't have a leader to pick the plan. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:46 PM |
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Tell em yourself |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 06:48 PM |
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If someone has to tell him it's hopeless |
LTRS |
Aug-25-05 06:53 PM |
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My post was to yours at #12 |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 07:07 PM |
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Neocons have already FUBAR'ed America to hell and back.... |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-25-05 08:08 PM |
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Thanks for catching my error |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 08:06 PM |
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Somehow |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 08:07 PM |
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Somehow, you should be..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 09:36 PM |
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Now we're into "shoulds" |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 09:59 PM |
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Wes Clark is not a danger, and in fact is about the most |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:51 PM |
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I'm really sorry you feel that way |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 11:06 PM |
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"My" definition is the same one |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 01:28 AM |
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If only that was the truth, |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:59 PM |
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It's too late. |
BullGooseLoony |
Aug-25-05 06:43 PM |
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When Bush started this it was obvious that the stage for WWIII was set. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 06:51 PM |
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There's nothing else to do. It's over. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Aug-25-05 06:54 PM |
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And so it is. |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 07:52 PM |
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2 1/2 YEARS. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Aug-25-05 08:00 PM |
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Oh woe, WOE (wrings hands, rolls in ashes, shoots self in head). |
LandOLincoln |
Aug-25-05 10:50 PM |
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that's what larry johnson says and I agree. this stay and fix it |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-25-05 07:01 PM |
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Well, the thing is that I agree with the IDEA- but it's just not feasible |
BullGooseLoony |
Aug-25-05 07:07 PM |
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It's already a breeding ground for radicalism. |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-05 08:32 PM |
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Yes. Exactly. |
BullGooseLoony |
Aug-25-05 09:41 PM |
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Great editorial, and totally in line with a great number of Dems |
Mass |
Aug-25-05 07:07 PM |
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Cleland |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-25-05 07:32 PM |
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Not sure if this is what you're referring to: |
Mass |
Aug-25-05 07:36 PM |
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you got it !! |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-25-05 08:05 PM |
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Clark is either right or he is |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 07:26 PM |
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That is pretty much in line with what Clark called for. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 07:40 PM |
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I don't think he's ever said that the US should turn over operational |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 07:49 PM |
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The UN pulled out. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 07:57 PM |
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The UN can't operate under the command of the US. |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 08:45 PM |
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The UN was in there and pulled out. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 09:03 PM |
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We'll see how much control Iraqis have over Iraq over the next few months. |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 09:06 PM |
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1932, you are wrong again..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 11:52 PM |
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We know from Waging Modern Wars that the important thing about |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:59 PM |
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I think Arab Nations are not stupid..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:11 AM |
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I'd like to believe that a NATO mission presided over by a US general |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:15 AM |
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I'd like to believe that a NATO mission presided over by a US general |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:16 AM |
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Does the word |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 08:43 AM |
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The U.N. pulled out? |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 08:41 AM |
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The U.N. |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 08:38 AM |
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Here's Clark's plan. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 08:02 PM |
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On an early MTP |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 09:02 PM |
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And my feeling |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 08:19 PM |
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Actually |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 08:56 AM |
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i respect Clark and his supporters but i disagree |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-25-05 07:28 PM |
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This was a blog entry today. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 07:47 PM |
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some other comments |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 07:57 PM |
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thanks, Donna !! |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-25-05 08:09 PM |
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Timing |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 08:54 PM |
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wT2, Wes will be on Meet the Press this Sunday |
WesDem |
Aug-25-05 08:11 PM |
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no problem, WesDem ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-25-05 08:26 PM |
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sorry, but the Clock expired |
LSK |
Aug-25-05 07:31 PM |
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Wrap up that Turkey. |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-05 08:33 PM |
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he doesn't get it. It wasn't right to go in and it isn't right to stay. |
katinmn |
Aug-25-05 07:35 PM |
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Wes has always said it wasn't right to go in.... |
trillian |
Aug-25-05 07:40 PM |
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Wes has always said that the strategy for achieving empire in Iraq was |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 07:46 PM |
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Not Iran, Darfur. |
dogman |
Aug-25-05 07:50 PM |
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Did ya see |
Donna Zen |
Aug-25-05 08:10 PM |
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about Iran |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 08:41 PM |
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Well we know that you would "think" that you are "pretty" "sure" |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 09:33 PM |
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First story that came up googling: |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:22 PM |
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And? |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 11:58 PM |
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I address this in my other posts here. |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:03 AM |
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Wes has ALWAYS said......... |
trillian |
Aug-25-05 07:56 PM |
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John Perkins (confession of economic hit man) has said it always is used |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 08:42 PM |
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Please stop with your "Book of the Month Club" |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-25-05 09:23 PM |
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Never. |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:33 PM |
#146 |
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Well |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:02 AM |
#153 |
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Posts like this are unneccessary. |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:05 AM |
#155 |
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No, but your posts do....make the case that is..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:15 AM |
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Do you think Clark is saying we have to deal with Iraq's neighbor, Darfur? |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:20 AM |
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I'd appreciate it if you truly cited sources |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-26-05 02:17 AM |
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Some people have actually lived through the things you think are |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-26-05 12:41 AM |
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I'm living through the chaos caused by virtual American empire. |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:24 PM |
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Just now? |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-26-05 12:44 PM |
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Oh great. Not |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 08:02 PM |
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It doesn't work in Ira*q but it will work in Ira*n? What a bunch of SHIT! |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 09:41 PM |
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So what does this mean? |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 10:13 PM |
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What it means....is that 1932 said that sentence..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 10:30 PM |
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I know for sure |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 10:37 PM |
#132 |
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I think that your response is silly...... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 11:04 PM |
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ic |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 01:16 AM |
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See post 144 |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:53 PM |
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You are too funny! |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:07 AM |
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If I get my copy of Winning Modern Wars back |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:13 AM |
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If I get my copy of Winning Modern Wars back |
1932 |
Aug-26-05 12:13 AM |
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Is this the 2nd or 3rd time you've promised to leave......? |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-26-05 01:30 AM |
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over excited might be one way to put it |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 01:43 AM |
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But I do understand you |
Texas_Kat |
Aug-26-05 01:52 AM |
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when you call me |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 02:34 AM |
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So you're upset? |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 03:13 AM |
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votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 09:57 AM |
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Virtual Fetish |
PatrioticOhioLiberal |
Aug-25-05 08:51 PM |
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"Virtual empire" is Clark's term. |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 09:07 PM |
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I've read it |
PatrioticOhioLiberal |
Aug-25-05 09:35 PM |
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Do you realize how funny your post is? |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:10 PM |
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Looking BEYOND (confines of) "EMPIRE" is Clark's thesis. |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-26-05 08:10 AM |
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Where would you get the idea that Iran is what he meant? |
ken-in-seattle |
Aug-25-05 09:21 PM |
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His books. |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 11:31 PM |
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His book, that you "think" you have committed to memory |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 12:28 AM |
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Well, what do you think it is now? Not bad enough for ya? |
katinmn |
Aug-25-05 07:52 PM |
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It's right if you truly believe that the US will collapse |
1932 |
Aug-25-05 07:41 PM |
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He gets that much, but... |
reprehensor |
Aug-25-05 08:38 PM |
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You can't know what will happen, until it happens |
ICantBelieve |
Aug-25-05 08:52 PM |
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"hi" |
ICantBelieve |
Aug-25-05 08:08 PM |
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I am curious to hear what he has to say.. |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-25-05 08:14 PM |
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That makes one of us |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 08:31 PM |
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"there is no savior" |
jonnyblitz |
Aug-25-05 08:36 PM |
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Right... |
ICantBelieve |
Aug-25-05 08:54 PM |
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It's just that when |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 09:54 PM |
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To the great minds that I find here, first let me say |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 09:14 PM |
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Very well thought out |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 09:22 PM |
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So when you see this below as step one |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 09:27 PM |
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Isn't it more of a Halliburton monopoly |
votesomemore |
Aug-25-05 09:51 PM |
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One of the reasons that I asked, was that at the top of the thread |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 10:00 PM |
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I know you want it to stop now. |
Clarkie1 |
Aug-25-05 09:59 PM |
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and none too soon..... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-25-05 11:15 PM |
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Um. |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 02:47 AM |
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That's healthy . |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 08:17 AM |
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Has it not been established |
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Aug-26-05 09:45 AM |
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Yeah.. I've had some time |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 10:29 AM |
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The Iraqi mothers, the U.S. mothers, or both? |
Clarkie1 |
Aug-25-05 11:44 PM |
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Both n/t |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 05:04 AM |
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I disagree with cousin Wesley on this ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-25-05 09:38 PM |
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Glad to hear Clark reintegrating what Kerry has been saying! n/t |
wisteria |
Aug-25-05 09:38 PM |
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Oh, please |
WesDem |
Aug-25-05 11:12 PM |
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CLARK: Iraq War is a Strategic Blunder - Sept 2, 2003 (2 YEARS AGO) |
Dread Pirate KR Read |
Aug-25-05 11:51 PM |
#148 |
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Thanks for that.... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 01:01 AM |
#167 |
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over their what? |
ArkDem |
Aug-26-05 12:42 PM |
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I think they are mad 'cause we are in their country. |
yojon |
Aug-25-05 11:02 PM |
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Sometimes I think, I am out of my element on DU... |
windbreeze |
Aug-26-05 01:05 AM |
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"sacrificed all of those mother's children for nothing" |
welshTerrier2 |
Aug-26-05 08:08 AM |
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I guess |
windbreeze |
Aug-26-05 12:08 PM |
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Of course most Iraqis are pissed.... |
FrenchieCat |
Aug-26-05 01:09 AM |
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The world is looking on |
votesomemore |
Aug-26-05 05:18 AM |
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WaPo: Before It's Too Late in Iraq~Wes Clark |
Donna Zen |
Aug-26-05 02:54 AM |
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To withdraw or not withdraw |
Lefergus70 |
Aug-26-05 03:35 AM |
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Did you read the WaPo article? |
Donna Zen |
Aug-26-05 05:29 AM |
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Posted here, as a seperate thread: |
Totally Committed |
Aug-26-05 07:34 AM |
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so, by keeping our troops THERE, we can avoid a broader war in the region? |
bpilgrim |
Aug-26-05 01:15 PM |
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Locking .... |
Moderator |
Aug-26-05 01:28 PM |
#221 |