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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:58 PM
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No, I'm not quitting; i'm kicking the right-wing hawks out of OUR Party
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Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 10:03 PM by welshTerrier2
is our Party totally fucked up? do the pretty people sitting in key positions of power give a damn about anything but their own political careers?? do they give a damn about what's going on in the country??? why won't they listen to what the majority of us is saying???? how can they seriously ask for our help when THEY DON'T REPRESENT US????? perhaps they have had too much power for too many years; one thing's for sure, it's time we found some real Democrats who remember that they are there to serve our interests and not the other way around ...

Americans are deeply troubled by America's role in the world ... their faith in their own government has been destroyed ... they know we are seen as the ugly Americans all over the world and they no longer feel the image is unjustified ... and yet, our Party's "leaders", regardless of their nuanced differences, continue to support bush and his neo-cons in Iraq ... they refuse to accept that bush is there for immoral purposes ... they continue to play politics with an issue of life and death; with an issue that has destroyed America's moral authority to lead ... the consequences of US policy in Iraq go beyond the loss of more than 1800 good and noble Americans; the consequences go beyond a stable Iraq; the consequences of remaining in Iraq FOR ANY REASON means that the US government accepts the premise that the US has a right to wage war and occupy other nations even if there is no threat to our country and even if there is no evidence (especially after 2 and a half years) that we are bettering the lives of the Iraqis ... clearly we are NOT ... i will never support any right-wing hawk who advocates otherwise ...

so i will not be supporting the Bill and Hillary's, the Kerry's, the Biden's, the Bayh's or any of the other so called "liberal hawks" ... i will not send money or work for the DSCC ... we have to throw out those who are "oh so smart that they need not respond to the vast majority of Democrats who have had enough of this fucking occupation and appeasement of neo-con imperialism" ...

explain to me, you who disagree, why it is OK to allow those ENDORSING THE NEO-CON OCCUPATION to clog our Party's apparatus? if you support them, you allow them to continue to vote for more war ... or worse ... you have Kerry, Clinton and others who not only don't want to get out and call a failure a failure, they want to EXPAND THE FUCKING WAR ... they want to muscle their way to a "win" in Iraq to prove to Americans how tough they are... NOT how right they are; NOT that they represent the majority of us; just that they are oh so tough ... that is NOT what the American people want and it is certainly NOT what Democrats want ... the Democratic hawks would know this if they held regular public forums in their states to give their constituents a say ... but they are apparently far too important to busy themselves with the trivialities of democracy and good representative government ...

anyway, that's more than enough from me ... please read this:


source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/beltway-dems...

First the very bad news. The article notes that the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) is once again undermining the Democratic Party. This time, it has "accused war critics of 'anti-American bias'" (wonder if that includes Vietnam War hero and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel?). This is a pristine example of self-proclaimed Democrats literally regurgitating the most offensive and dishonest right-wing spin out there. <skip>

More bad news: the Democratic Party's Senate and House campaign apparatus is telling Democrats to keep their mouths shut on Iraq, for fear they will look weak on national security. Most recently, these pathetic souls desperately tried to divert attention from how the Iraq War played an instrumental role in Iraq War Veteran Paul Hackett's congressional race in Ohio. Apparently, the class of professional election losers in Washington, D.C. thinks Democrats can win by saying almost nothing on Iraq (like the party often says nothing on lots of issues, thus perpetuating the perception that Democrats stand for nothing). As one "Democratic strategist" told the Inquirer, "Let's not refight the origins of the war, who was right or wrong. That discussion has run its course." The strategist then said "Let's keep hitting Bush when he's not being straight with the people."

That's all well and good - except, it assumes that Americans are stupid. The fact is, doing what these strategists suggest will reinforce the idea that Democrats stand for nothing, because refusing to address the Iraq war is the equivalent of Democrats "not being straight with people" in the same way Bush isn't being straight with people. It's the reason why we can drive up Bush and the GOP's negatives all we want - but that doesn't mean it is going to help us. The fact is, Democrats will not capitalize on any of this until they start speaking clearly about where they actually stand on the war, and whether they actually have the guts to say what polls show most Americans believe: that the Bush administration deliberately lied to us about why we were going to war, that the war has made our country less safe/secure, and that it's time for a serious exit strategy.

Finally, there is some good news: the Inquirer story reminds us that there is a growing outrage outside the class of professional election losers in Washington who are starting to flex their political muscle. That is, the millions of ordinary, hard-working citizens who actually make up the ranks of the Democratic Party are getting sick and tired of the split-the-difference politics that has led Democrats to loss after loss after loss. People like Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) and Paul Hackett are showing that there are talented and effective champions who are listening to us, and are ready to take up the fight. And others like top-tier Senate candidate Bob Casey (D-PA) are rejecting the Iraq advice from the all-too-comfortable consultants in Washington.



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  -No, I'm not quitting; i'm kicking the right-wing hawks out of OUR Party welshTerrier2  Aug-21-05 09:58 PM   #0 
  - I agree with your sentiments...  kentuck   Aug-21-05 10:06 PM   #1 
  - I respect your opinion, but Kerry does NOT want to "expand" the war  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 10:07 PM   #2 
  - respect appreciated but please tell me this ....  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 10:17 PM   #4 
  - I'm searching for some links about Kerry's Iraq position  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 10:25 PM   #5 
  - Kerry specifically recommended following Shenseki's(sp) advice  emperor72   Aug-21-05 10:30 PM   #8 
     - Not true  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 10:57 PM   #12 
        - i agree with this ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 11:08 PM   #14 
           - Yep.  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 11:52 PM   #28 
  - Here's a link I found  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 11:01 PM   #13 
     - i agree with all you wrote except ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 11:13 PM   #16 
        - Just curious...  kerrygoddess   Aug-21-05 11:15 PM   #17 
        - ah, i thought best recollections were permitted ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 11:22 PM   #19 
           - I've heard that he is planning a trip to Iraq  kerrygoddess   Aug-21-05 11:32 PM   #24 
              - i remembered one of my sources re: troop strength  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:06 AM   #30 
                 - Kerry talked about increasing troop strength  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:12 AM   #34 
                    - ASAP  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:23 AM   #40 
                       - I hear that...  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:25 AM   #41 
        - I know his plan did call for getting help from allies  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-21-05 11:48 PM   #27 
  - Well, if they ever want anymore of my money  AuntieM1957   Aug-21-05 10:27 PM   #7 
  - You know, You're right  mitchtv   Aug-21-05 10:13 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 10:30 PM   #9 
  - Q) How many anti-DLC posts does it take to change a lightbulb?  Mark E. Smith   Aug-21-05 10:25 PM   #6 
  - interesting ... did the BP even mention the DLC ???  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 10:41 PM   #11 
  - love that kennedy quote.  orleans   Aug-21-05 11:29 PM   #23 
  - from his speech on Social Security ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:09 AM   #32 
     - thanks, i just googled it and  orleans   Aug-22-05 02:07 AM   #56 
  - Self-delete  Totally Committed   Aug-22-05 05:58 AM   #62 
  - Hey, don't worry about it.  Mark E. Smith   Aug-22-05 07:42 AM   #67 
     - moral authority  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 09:02 AM   #72 
        - "the majority of us"  tx_dem41   Aug-22-05 09:58 AM   #74 
           - Self identified Democrats.  endarkenment   Aug-22-05 12:18 PM   #80 
  - Please read this:  Q   Aug-22-05 05:27 AM   #60 
     - Read it:  ieoeja   Aug-22-05 03:06 PM   #86 
     - An interesting read, and here's a few snips about Clinton/DLC Legacy.  KoKo01   Aug-22-05 09:15 PM   #95 
  - Yep, it's time to kick the DLC out of the Democratic Party. n/t  wli   Aug-21-05 10:36 PM   #10 
  - Where do you propose  kerrygoddess   Aug-21-05 11:10 PM   #15 
     - do "moderate" Dems support continuing the occupation in Iraq?  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 11:18 PM   #18 
     - Not all Dems are out protesting  kerrygoddess   Aug-21-05 11:26 PM   #22 
        - a few points ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-21-05 11:56 PM   #29 
           - Hello...  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:34 AM   #44 
              - what do you think the Democrats should do regarding Iraq?  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:49 AM   #47 
                 - I think  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 01:08 AM   #53 
     - THEY WILL STILL VOTE DEMOCRAT  Copperred   Aug-21-05 11:25 PM   #21 
     - But they didn't all vote democrat...  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:28 AM   #42 
        - "We can't chase people away"  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:32 AM   #43 
     - They're not moderate Democrats, and it's not just the war.  wli   Aug-21-05 11:33 PM   #25 
     - Well here's where this argument falls flat  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:08 AM   #31 
        - your refutation is actually what falls flat  wli   Aug-22-05 12:11 AM   #33 
        - Not really  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:13 AM   #36 
        - the comparison is wrong  wli   Aug-22-05 12:51 AM   #48 
           - "just enough"  bvar22   Aug-22-05 11:50 AM   #78 
              - Exactly what I was trying to say in my earlier post...JUST ENOUGH!  Raksha   Aug-22-05 09:33 PM   #97 
        - sheesh, if you're going to use big words ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:16 AM   #37 
           - LOL!  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:20 AM   #38 
           - what on earth? "stochastic" is not an obscure word n/t  wli   Aug-22-05 12:42 AM   #45 
              - Oh I just used it the other day...  kerrygoddess   Aug-22-05 12:44 AM   #46 
                 - maybe my occupation skews my perception of commonly-used words  wli   Aug-22-05 12:52 AM   #49 
                    - nahhhhhhhhhhh ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:56 AM   #50 
        - Sure, some DLC members voted against CAFTA....  Raksha   Aug-22-05 09:31 PM   #96 
     - Who wants to kick out moderate Democrats?!?!  SeanQ   Aug-22-05 02:13 PM   #82 
  - 100% Agreement FROM OHIO  Copperred   Aug-21-05 11:24 PM   #20 
  - It occurs to me that the situation we are currently in is exactly what  greyhound1966   Aug-21-05 11:37 PM   #26 
  - just for the record ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 12:21 AM   #39 
     - No pacifist here either, but  greyhound1966   Aug-22-05 12:59 AM   #51 
        - are you talking only about the use of the military?  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 01:10 AM   #54 
           - Primarily the use of the military  greyhound1966   Aug-22-05 02:48 AM   #57 
  - Hagel  Emendator   Aug-22-05 12:12 AM   #35 
  - Hagel is not antiwar. You did not listen to him yesterday.  Mass   Aug-22-05 08:43 AM   #70 
  - This is key  omega minimo   Aug-22-05 01:06 AM   #52 
  - the phases of the Iraq war  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 01:28 AM   #55 
  - RECOMMENDED!!! Great Post!  loudsue   Aug-22-05 02:54 AM   #58 
  - Recommended.  Tinoire   Aug-22-05 03:40 AM   #59 
  - The very people and politicians...  Q   Aug-22-05 05:41 AM   #61 
  - Excellent post.  Totally Committed   Aug-22-05 06:34 AM   #63 
  - Okay, fine, We all want Iraq resolved  TayTay   Aug-22-05 07:19 AM   #64 
  - I think the plan is pretty clear.  endarkenment   Aug-22-05 07:39 AM   #66 
     - Does that include people of liberal conscience who  TayTay   Aug-22-05 02:45 PM   #85 
        - Good questions.  endarkenment   Aug-22-05 03:52 PM   #87 
  - Yes we have no leaders  votesomemore   Aug-22-05 07:32 AM   #65 
  - well, its clear to me when one Gold Star Mom outdoes our leaders  Lerkfish   Aug-22-05 08:05 AM   #68 
  - Have you really listened to Feingold  Mass   Aug-22-05 08:42 AM   #69 
  - Kerry's position on the war  endarkenment   Aug-22-05 08:54 AM   #71 
     - Well, Feingold is on the stay the course way as well  Mass   Aug-22-05 11:31 AM   #76 
     - Hacket said on Bill Maher that  endarkenment   Aug-22-05 12:16 PM   #79 
        - For Hackett, it is a serious move from his position last month  Mass   Aug-22-05 04:24 PM   #88 
           - "the entire region will spiral into chaos"  endarkenment   Aug-23-05 07:09 AM   #101 
     - He did say  Noisy Democrat   Aug-22-05 09:57 PM   #98 
        - yes he did and he also said that it was not a mistake.  endarkenment   Aug-23-05 07:10 AM   #102 
  - While YOU are taking it upon yourself to define the criteria for the  tx_dem41   Aug-22-05 09:46 AM   #73 
  - Great topic - great discussion.  Burried News   Aug-22-05 10:46 AM   #75 
  - "There can be no America with two Republican Parties."  SeanQ   Aug-22-05 02:26 PM   #84 
  - Real democrats support only total opposition to the idiot's lies.  FreeStateDemocrat   Aug-22-05 11:38 AM   #77 
  - And I'll keep supporting candidate like Paul  SeanQ   Aug-22-05 01:52 PM   #81 
  - One of these things is not like the others...  LittleClarkie   Aug-22-05 02:16 PM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-05 05:55 PM   #89 
  - after discussion, this thread is being unlocked.  AZDemDist6   Aug-22-05 07:16 PM   #90 
  - thanks, AZDemDist6  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 07:30 PM   #91 
     - you're welcome WT2  AZDemDist6   Aug-22-05 07:49 PM   #92 
        - really appreciate that, AZ ...  welshTerrier2   Aug-22-05 08:01 PM   #94 
           - agreed  AZDemDist6   Aug-23-05 06:56 AM   #100 
  - Circle snap.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-22-05 07:56 PM   #93 
  - They have to go  mmonk   Aug-22-05 10:43 PM   #99 
 

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