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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #50
52. My response
1. I assumed from your moniker that you were relatively young. Had I known you were a veteran and demonstrator, I obviously would have pared down the body. My intention was not to be condescending.

2. You and I probably have very different ideas of what a Kerry administration would seek in Iraq. You have some degree of admiration for him, so I would venture to say you think a democratic Iraq would be a priority for him (please correct me if I'm wrong). I, on the other hand, fancy him to be an establishment figure, whose vision for Iraq diverges from the neocons only insofar that he wants America to have a popular image. In essence, Kerry wants a kinder, gentler American empire. But empire is what he wants, and I don't believe for a second that he would extricate the forces required for the elite to get a return on their investment. Consider this excerpt from one of his 2004 speeches, detailing his plan for conducting the war:

"First, the president has to get the promised international support so our men and women in uniform don't have to go it alone...He should offer potential troop contributors specific, but critical roles, in training Iraqi security personnel and securing Iraq's borders. He should give other countries a stake in Iraq's future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq's oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process."

This has all the air of a business venture, no? An enticing one, too: by inviting other parties to the table (spoils, spoils), America's image is at least partially salvaged, even as we reap substantial benefits.

Was it Kerry's priority to mold Iraq into a democracy, or into a client state? Why did he have nary a word to say about the 14 permanent military bases?

What is his view of self-determination? Well, consider his denouncement of populist leader Hugo Chavez:

"Chavez is fast on the road of becoming exactly that. He is breaking the rules of democracy. I think it is very important for him to allow that referendum to take place and for this administration and others to put more visibility on what is happening so we can hold him accountable to international standards of behavior. Democracy is at risk."

Yes, I have to wonder who Kerry answers to.
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  -An Open Letter from Ralph Nader to Cindy Sheehan pbartch  Aug-10-05 07:25 PM   #0 
  - Ralph, I useta love ya ... but now ... yawn...  hippiechick   Aug-10-05 07:26 PM   #1 
  - Already posted, but....  louis-t   Aug-10-05 07:28 PM   #2 
  - dupe  enough   Aug-10-05 07:29 PM   #3 
  - Considering he campaigned more against Dems than Bush  LittleClarkie   Aug-10-05 07:29 PM   #4 
  - Would you rather hear from militarist Democrats?  DerekG   Aug-10-05 09:19 PM   #16 
  - Or would have if he hadn't bent over for Smear Vet money  LittleClarkie   Aug-10-05 09:24 PM   #18 
  - Why not include Kerry and Edwards?  DerekG   Aug-10-05 09:47 PM   #19 
     - " doughfaced warmonger he's more of a horse-faced one"  Corey_Baker04   Aug-10-05 10:34 PM   #28 
     - "We wouldn't be in there" if Kerry was elected?  DerekG   Aug-11-05 12:09 AM   #41 
     - GET OUTTA IRAQ. (Kerry never would have got us in there)  pbartch   Aug-11-05 01:27 AM   #51 
     - No, Kerry is the a-hole  dad   Aug-11-05 05:03 AM   #60 
     - All I have to say is you are clueless and as wrong as Bush is  wisteria   Aug-10-05 10:36 PM   #29 
     - No one on our side, including Kucinich, called for IMMEDIATE withdrawl  LittleClarkie   Aug-10-05 10:37 PM   #30 
     - So you fancy Kerry to be a Jefferson Smith, eh?  DerekG   Aug-10-05 10:50 PM   #32 
     - Okay, here's that Will Pitt quote  LittleClarkie   Aug-10-05 10:59 PM   #36 
     - "A Saigon-style clusterf---k?"  DerekG   Aug-10-05 11:16 PM   #37 
        - Of course you do. It's not your ass on the line, is it?  LittleClarkie   Aug-11-05 12:24 AM   #44 
           - Several points  DerekG   Aug-11-05 12:59 AM   #49 
              - Maybe if it would have saved some lives  LittleClarkie   Aug-11-05 01:07 AM   #50 
                 - My response  DerekG   Aug-11-05 02:57 AM   #52 
                    - Took me a minute  LittleClarkie   Aug-11-05 03:12 AM   #54 
                       - Incidentally, I did vote for Kerry  DerekG   Aug-11-05 03:26 AM   #57 
     - Horse-faced  fedupinBushcountry   Aug-10-05 11:38 PM   #40 
  - To my knowledge, Kerry is one of the few politicians  karynnj   Aug-10-05 10:25 PM   #24 
  - Exactly - IWR succeeded in getting us to the UN and  MH1   Aug-10-05 10:32 PM   #27 
     - Did you expect Bush to play by the rules?  DerekG   Aug-11-05 03:13 AM   #55 
  - Nader has ZERO credibility. From someone who once  MH1   Aug-10-05 10:26 PM   #26 
     - Citations, please  DerekG   Aug-11-05 12:24 AM   #45 
        - Good point! Thank you for bringing it up. Nader never said that.  dad   Aug-11-05 05:08 AM   #62 
        - The word no doesn't appear in that post either  dsc   Aug-11-05 06:34 AM   #63 
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     - He used to speak the truth  LittleClarkie   Aug-11-05 12:38 AM   #46 
        - You think this is the first time Republicans have donated to  Skwmom   Aug-11-05 12:41 AM   #47 
           - I don't care what the Republicans were doing.  LittleClarkie   Aug-11-05 12:50 AM   #48 
  - What a great letter. He remains true to his beliefs.  kikiek   Aug-10-05 07:29 PM   #5 
  - It's a nice letter though  Bush in Berkeley   Aug-10-05 07:32 PM   #6 
  - Nice words...Too bad they are coming from someone whose motives  BrklynLiberal   Aug-10-05 07:33 PM   #7 
  - Fuck you nader, would you be writing this if Gore was in the wh?  The_Casual_Observer   Aug-10-05 07:36 PM   #8 
  - He'd probably be writing Gore with the aim of ending the sanctions  DerekG   Aug-10-05 09:21 PM   #17 
     - 500,000?  The_Casual_Observer   Aug-10-05 10:12 PM   #22 
     - Here's your bedtime story  DerekG   Aug-10-05 10:26 PM   #25 
     - Oh, and here's one example of Nader's outrage  DerekG   Aug-10-05 10:38 PM   #31 
     - Well, thank God we got Bush and the NeoCons instead of those  Pirate Smile   Aug-10-05 10:57 PM   #34 
        - What a world, eh?  DerekG   Aug-10-05 11:19 PM   #38 
  - He's a good man.  katsy   Aug-10-05 07:37 PM   #9 
  - agreed, nader is a great man  rainy   Aug-10-05 08:29 PM   #11 
  - I tend to think he was a good man  LittleClarkie   Aug-10-05 08:40 PM   #12 
  - Yeah.  katsy   Aug-10-05 10:08 PM   #21 
  - Nader is an egotistical ass  quaoar   Aug-10-05 10:56 PM   #33 
  - Stay hidden, Ralph.  onehandle   Aug-10-05 07:48 PM   #10 
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  - If Nader could have come up with the resources  nevergiveup   Aug-10-05 09:14 PM   #15 
  - Well put, Ralph.  MaggieSwanson   Aug-10-05 10:04 PM   #20 
  - That's fantastic, Ralph. Way to go, man. A+ and all that.  Vickers   Aug-10-05 10:12 PM   #23 
  - Fuck Ralph Nader. There's as much blood on his hands  LandOLincoln   Aug-10-05 10:59 PM   #35 
  - It's about time you said something Ralph.  against all enemies   Aug-10-05 11:25 PM   #39 
  - Cindy Sheehan is on a country road in Crawford...  hayu_lol   Aug-11-05 12:15 AM   #43 
  - I like the letter, but hate the ending.  Swamp Rat   Aug-11-05 03:12 AM   #53 
  - Nader you Attention Whore...STFU and go back to your fuckin Rock...  opihimoimoi   Aug-11-05 03:19 AM   #56 
  - Nader tells it how it is yet again.  d_b   Aug-11-05 04:30 AM   #58 
  - Didn't use to be the case...  NightOwwl   Aug-11-05 04:52 AM   #59 
  - It's hard to take him seriously any longer  fujiyama   Aug-11-05 05:07 AM   #61 
 

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