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63. We can win peace with what General Clark has mentioned in his letter
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 02:34 PM by ClarkUSA
and in his Iraq Plan which is outlined at his WesPAC website:

A Real Plan for Success in Iraq

When the President flew out to the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and posed under the banner that read: "Mission Accomplished," he made it clear he did not understand the scope of the mission. We need a success strategy. Only success can honor the sacrifice of so many American men and women; it is only success that will allow Iraq to stand on its own; and it is only success that will allow our soldiers to come home. Early exit means retreat or defeat. Wes Clark has a plan to internationalize the reconstruction, counter the terrorists' guerilla war more effectively, and give Iraqis a greater stake in our own success.


What Do We Do Now?

Wes Clark believes we need to clearly define our mission in Iraq by deciding what constitutes success. Our mission is to create a secure, stable Iraq with a representative government. Only this will make America more secure and enable our troops to come home. Success means that Iraq is strong enough to sustain itself without outside forces but is no longer a threat to its neighbors; that representative government has taken root so Iraq can be a model for democratic hope in the Middle East; and that Iraqi society and the Iraqi economy are healthy enough so that Al Qaeda cannot recruit there.


Wes Clark's strategy for Iraq is guided by the following principles:

1. End the American monopoly. From the beginning, the Administration has insisted on exclusive control of the Iraqi reconstruction and occupation. This has cost us the financial and military support of other nations and made America a bigger target for terrorists. Ending the American monopoly will change the way this enterprise is viewed -- in Iraq and throughout the world.

* Re-incorporate our allies. Fixing the Administration's missteps will require skilled diplomacy at the highest levels. Wes Clark recommends calling a summit of leaders from Europe, the United Nations, Japan and the Arab world to launch a new, internationalized effort in Iraq. They will be more willing to help if America works with them on issues they care about: climate change, the International Criminal Court and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

* Transform the military operation into a NATO operation. General Abizaid, commander of US forces in the Middle East, would remain in charge of the operation, but he would report to the NATO Council, as General Clark did as commander of NATO forces in Kosovo. With NATO support and U.N. endorsement, we can also expect some Arab countries to step in. Their presence would prove that this is not an American occupation, but an international and regional effort to stabilize Iraq.

2. Adjust the force mix. The Bush Administration has failed to formulate an effective tactical plan. No such plan will be viable without substantial contributions from military leaders on the ground. Still, Wes Clark would approach the problem as follows:

* Consider adding troops. Wes Clark believes we should look at whether adding forces will help the effort in Iraq. He would not measure success in Iraq by a reduction in troops or failure by an increase. It's more important to do the job right so all the troops can come home sooner.

* Adapt to guerilla war. One mistake in Vietnam was trying to use conventional forces to fight an unconventional war. The more unarmored humvees we have, the greater our vulnerability to roadside bombs. We have suffered more losses in routine patrolling and transit than in active counter-insurgency efforts. We need to ensure the right mix of forces to fight a classic guerrilla war. That means more Special Forces and other light forces better suited for counter-insurgency.

* Better use of intelligence resources. To protect our soldiers we must do all we can to find out who's attacking our soldiers. That means better intelligence work and improved relations with the civilian population. Yet intelligence specialists and people who can speak to Iraqis in their own language are scarce. We need to take the linguists and intelligence specialists now involved in the search for WMDs and assign them to our military counter-insurgency efforts. International inspectors are willing and able to take over this mission. We must also augment our intelligence capability with new technologies and better recruitment in the Arab-American community.

* Train Iraqi security forces, freeing up U.S. troops. We need to empower Iraqis to provide routine security so American soldiers can focus on urgent tasks like counter-insurgency. Wes Clark would implement a comprehensive two-tier plan: train police first, then military.

o Summon the old Iraqi army for duty at the local level. We need more Iraqi paramilitary units and police at the local level. General Clark will use thorough background checks, generous pay rates, and real political control for Iraqis -- as well as appealing to Iraqis' sense of nationality -- to put Iraqis in charge of basic security, freeing up US soldiers to focus on our most urgent tasks, including counter-insurgency.

o Reconstitute the Iraqi Army so that it eventually can do the work the occupation force now does - guarding Iraqi borders, keeping order, and fighting insurgents. It will take considerable time to have an Iraqi Army trained enough and integrated enough to do the job.

* Engage neighbors for better border security. Iraq is now a magnet for every jihadist in the Middle East. Closing the borders requires cooperation from the countries bordering Iraq. But currently, Syria and Iran don't want us to succeed because they fear they are next on our invasion list. Wes Clark recommends engaging Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia with both carrots and sticks. We have serious issues with each of these countries, but closing those borders is the most urgent priority right now. We must show Iraq's neighbors that cooperation with us is in their interest and will help their region.

* Secure ammunition. Today, hundreds of thousands of tons of ammunition from Saddam's arsenal have yet to be secured, and thousands of shoulder-fired missiles remain at large. Terrorists have used these stockpiles to attack our forces. We should destroy that ammunition immediately or else secure it with surveillance technology and troops from other countries willing to come to Iraq.

3. Promote information exchange to advance civil society. To encourage the growth of civic organizations, media, neighborhood groups -- and promote reconstruction -- we should open the West to Iraq for exchange programs so that Iraqis who have been isolated for years can see the what the rest of the world does with its economy, schools, health care, media and government.
Preventing Foreign Misadventures Going Forward

* Promote security through multilateralism. No nation will ever have veto power over our security. But turning our back on our allies makes it harder to protect ourselves and our interests. Despite our overwhelming military, economic and political strength, we cannot pursue Arab-Israeli peace, support reconstruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, deal with the challenges of North Korea, track down Osama bin Laden, fight the global war against terrorism, face the problem of Iran, and return to prosperity in this country, unless we have allies to help us.

* Modernize international institutions to combat new threats. Wes Clark recommends pursuing a new Atlantic Charter to repair and modernize our security partnership with Europe. The Charter that will define the threats we face in common and demand action from our allies to meet them while offering a promise to act together.

* Create a new agency for international assistance. Wes Clark believes America should lead the world in addressing the causes of human misery by attacking the problems of poverty, disease, and ethnic conflict with the same energy and skill we have brought to the challenge of warfare. A new agency would combine the existing development efforts of our government with a real budget for research and development, planning and the ability to draw on the new national Civilian Reserves that Wes Clark proposed in his campaign last October. These efforts will reduce the anger and alienation that gives rise to terrorism, and win us more friends and partners around the world. It will be far easier to ask gain international support for our concerns when other countries see us helping them on theirs.

http://securingamerica.com/issues/iraqplan

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If you're going to base your feelings and comments about Wes Clark on a categorical rejection of all things military, then there is no use discussing his letter or his policy with you.

I was an anti-military Green until 2002. Then I took a good look at Wes Clark's anti-Iraq War stance during his HASC testimony and I put my prejudices aside Michael Moore did the same. The man has 35 years of experience in an area where most Democrats are clueless about and I for one respect his years serving in the exectuive wing of our government.
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  -Wes Clark to WSJ: 'Resolve' on Iraq Is Fine, but We Also Need A Plan ClarkUSA  Aug-05-05 01:17 AM   #0 
  - Maybe Evan Bayh (and the DLC) needs to pay attention  Texas_Kat   Aug-05-05 01:24 AM   #1 
  - Bayh didn't complain about Democrats being weak on National Security  paulk   Aug-05-05 10:18 AM   #16 
     - Clark himself has pointed it out, but he has also pointed to an answer.  dogman   Aug-05-05 07:38 PM   #76 
        - and I applaud him for it  paulk   Aug-05-05 10:05 PM   #82 
           - If he's quoted as saying something he didn't intend, then this  Texas_Kat   Aug-05-05 10:30 PM   #84 
              - this is a good example of how the MSM distorts what Democrats say  paulk   Aug-06-05 09:48 AM   #94 
                 - I completely agree with your assessment of the media.  dogman   Aug-06-05 03:05 PM   #102 
  - There goes the theory  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 01:24 AM   #2 
  - This is a good idea..  John Q. Citizen   Aug-05-05 02:22 AM   #5 
     - I think so....  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 04:51 AM   #8 
  - Hear, hear, Gen. Clark!  kayleybeth   Aug-05-05 01:29 AM   #3 
  - He needs to get off FOX and start getting some serious exposure  Gloria   Aug-05-05 01:36 AM   #4 
  - I disagree.  AnnitaR   Aug-05-05 03:06 AM   #6 
  - I think so, too. oem  yellerpup   Aug-05-05 09:11 AM   #13 
  - Gloria, Wes is needed at Faux for the 2006 elections.....  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 04:28 AM   #7 
  - Why do robbers rob banks? 'Cause that's where the money is.  dogman   Aug-05-05 07:42 PM   #77 
  - sad reality is that there is no plan  radfringe   Aug-05-05 05:12 AM   #9 
  - Imagine Evan Bayh saying something similar...  Raiden   Aug-05-05 05:13 AM   #10 
  - I'm suprised that Bayh and the DLC/Blue Dogs haven't....  AX10   Aug-05-05 11:31 AM   #20 
     - Nah, Bayh is too busy comparing Democrats unfavorably w/ Republicans  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 04:40 PM   #69 
  - I disagree with Cuz Wesley's plan ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-05-05 05:50 AM   #11 
  - And turn it into another Afghanistan?  Clark2008   Aug-05-05 06:36 PM   #73 
     - 95% of the insurgency is directed at us.  Pepperbelly   Aug-05-05 07:24 PM   #75 
     - But we tore up their "shit."  Clark2008   Aug-05-05 08:00 PM   #78 
        - and the only way we stop tearing up their shit is to leave...  jonnyblitz   Aug-05-05 08:51 PM   #81 
        - No - we need to rebuild their shit.  Clark2008   Aug-05-05 10:17 PM   #83 
           - I disagree ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-05-05 10:38 PM   #85 
              - Most of the violence toward US is nationalism  Clark2008   Aug-06-05 12:45 AM   #89 
                 - do you always make this sort of impression?  Pepperbelly   Aug-06-05 01:22 AM   #91 
        - No, we should just give them money and let THEM repair it.  eridani   Aug-06-05 06:31 AM   #93 
     - is it any better than Afghanistan now?  jonnyblitz   Aug-05-05 08:49 PM   #80 
        - A friend of mine with whom I work was a POW during Vietnam ...  Pepperbelly   Aug-05-05 10:40 PM   #86 
  - Damn, that man is good. He has a great flair for turning a phrase.  tsuki   Aug-05-05 06:52 AM   #12 
  - Didn't he try and start WW3 in Kosovo ?  Catchawave   Aug-05-05 09:14 AM   #14 
  - No.  Sparkly   Aug-05-05 09:16 AM   #15 
  - Kosovo was a NATO action  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-05-05 10:38 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-05 11:05 AM   #18 
     - What's your purpose in flaming this thread? I see you're a "newbie"...  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 11:25 AM   #19 
     - Yeah, there used to be another Milosevic apologist here  QC   Aug-05-05 11:33 AM   #21 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-05 11:53 AM   #23 
        - Oh please give it a rest.  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 12:08 PM   #25 
           - Do you take that same argument with the Iraq war?  inthebrain   Aug-05-05 12:20 PM   #28 
              - You sound so familiar...and your personal attacks are familiar, too  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 12:42 PM   #31 
              - "only sith lords speak in absolutes!!!!"  QC   Aug-05-05 12:43 PM   #32 
                 - LOL!  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 01:08 PM   #41 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-05-05 11:39 AM   #22 
  - No, he didn't.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-05-05 01:02 PM   #37 
  - Same old shit. No comment that the war is illegal and immoral, just  leesa   Aug-05-05 11:58 AM   #24 
  - Clark is defending Democrats against a Republican meme...  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 12:17 PM   #26 
  - Resolve for what? Plan for what?  goodhue   Aug-05-05 12:20 PM   #27 
  - Repeat: Wes Clark is defending Democrats against a GOP meme  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 12:30 PM   #29 
     - We can't and won't win peace with a military occupation.  goodhue   Aug-05-05 02:11 PM   #58 
        - We can win peace with what General Clark has mentioned in his letter  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 02:30 PM   #63 
  - So Wes is in favor of increasing troop strength and making  SonofMass   Aug-05-05 12:41 PM   #30 
  - He is for training Iraqis faster so we can leave Iraq faster  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 12:47 PM   #33 
  - Clark was never an anti-war candidate  quinnox   Aug-05-05 12:48 PM   #34 
  - I can see that.  SonofMass   Aug-05-05 12:52 PM   #35 
  - I can see that some are just interested in attacking Clark's supporters  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 01:07 PM   #40 
     - Nobody is attacking Clark supporters  inthebrain   Aug-05-05 01:59 PM   #52 
        - I'm really supposed to expect a reasoned debate and discussion  Crunchy Frog   Aug-05-05 02:36 PM   #65 
  - You've come here to attack Clark supporters, too? One thread isn't enough?  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 01:00 PM   #36 
  - What are you talking about?  quinnox   Aug-05-05 01:05 PM   #39 
     - You have posted bashing remarks about Clarkies consistently today  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 01:19 PM   #43 
        - So?  quinnox   Aug-05-05 01:28 PM   #45 
           - It means you are jumping from one Clark thread to another  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 01:37 PM   #48 
              - Let me be clear  quinnox   Aug-05-05 01:48 PM   #50 
                 - Let me be clearer...you asked for proof and I provided it  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 02:06 PM   #54 
                 - It has been fun but I have to watch  quinnox   Aug-05-05 02:10 PM   #57 
                    - I love Deep Space Nine  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 02:16 PM   #61 
                 - self-delete (dupe)  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 02:06 PM   #55 
  - I think there was only a few anti war candidate in the last race....  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 01:04 PM   #38 
  - Generals generally hate wars  Donna Zen   Aug-05-05 01:36 PM   #46 
  - answers  quinnox   Aug-05-05 01:43 PM   #49 
  - In Winning Modern Wars, at one point Clark argues that the US  1932   Aug-05-05 02:16 PM   #60 
  - "...he would use force if necessary..."  LandOLincoln   Aug-05-05 02:50 PM   #67 
  - Clark is our best choice.  AX10   Aug-05-05 05:23 PM   #70 
  - This is Clarks plan  HootieMcBoob   Aug-05-05 02:21 PM   #62 
  - And the Corporate media tries to say  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 02:34 PM   #64 
     - How about Democrats articulating better when they go on TV?  ClarkUSA   Aug-05-05 02:38 PM   #66 
  - That's just more anti-Clark/anti-Clarkie BS  Jai4WKC08   Aug-05-05 06:19 PM   #72 
  - Never said he was.  Clark2008   Aug-05-05 06:51 PM   #74 
  - What Letter are you reading?  Donna Zen   Aug-05-05 01:18 PM   #42 
     - Reading is not part of the excercise  FrenchieCat   Aug-05-05 01:26 PM   #44 
        - OMG!  Donna Zen   Aug-05-05 01:49 PM   #51 
           - It will all end when everyone is perfect, ie. dead,  MissMarple   Aug-05-05 02:13 PM   #59 
  - WSJ  haypops   Aug-05-05 01:37 PM   #47 
  - haypops, welcome to DU!  MissMarple   Aug-05-05 02:03 PM   #53 
  - You're right. Welcome to DU, haypops!  ClarkUSA   Aug-06-05 04:27 PM   #104 
  - I LUV Wes Clark And Supported Him In the Primary in 2004  AtomicKitten   Aug-05-05 02:10 PM   #56 
  - Luv your handle, your politics,  LandOLincoln   Aug-05-05 02:56 PM   #68 
  - Thanks.  AtomicKitten   Aug-05-05 06:17 PM   #71 
     - I second that. Welcome to DU, Atomic Kitten!  ClarkUSA   Aug-06-05 02:23 PM   #100 
  - I like the shirt  FreedomAngel82   Aug-05-05 11:43 PM   #88 
  - Way to Go, Gen Clark!  zidzi   Aug-05-05 08:48 PM   #79 
  - John Kerry presented a plan for Iraq during the election and  wisteria   Aug-05-05 10:47 PM   #87 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-06-05 12:56 AM   #90 
  - Kerry was at the Senate hearings  wiley   Aug-06-05 02:10 AM   #92 
  - Fox will fire him and hire Novak  splat@14   Aug-06-05 10:43 AM   #95 
  - This is a great letter. Also, a point that is overlooked while Dems are  Misskittycat   Aug-06-05 11:37 AM   #96 
  - So Wes Clark belongs to the "I can fight this war better than Bush" crowd  IndianaGreen   Aug-06-05 12:02 PM   #97 
     - Wrong. He is defending Democrats against a persistent GOP meme  ClarkUSA   Aug-06-05 12:32 PM   #98 
     - "a secure, stable Iraq with a representative government" is a pipe dream!  IndianaGreen   Aug-06-05 02:26 PM   #101 
        - You may well be right  Jai4WKC08   Aug-06-05 03:08 PM   #103 
     - "FIGHT this war better"? Hardly.  Jai4WKC08   Aug-06-05 12:38 PM   #99 
 

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