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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:36 PM
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27. NO he shouldn't have voted for it but Yes his story will work
The resolution, amongst other things, claims that alQaeda is in Iraq and to prevent another attack the US must act. Okay there WERE alQaeda in Iraq which is about the same as saying that there WERE alQaeda in the US prior to and on 9/11. It also says that all diplomatic means will be exhausted before action is taken.

Here is where Kerry can make this work. At the time there was strong opposition to giving this much power to the President, any President and to calm concerns the WH told Congress that this act was a show of a united supporting US that W needed when going to the UN. They did the same thing with IWR that they do with other legislation and that they did in the UN, they explain what they MEAN and as soon as it is approved they say 'Oh no we didn't mean THAT we meant THIS'. NEgroponte was running all over the UN telling members that there was no "automaticity" in 1441 (read that one too and see if it isn't vague) but as soon as it was passed and missiles were found they claimed that they had the authority to act even though 1441 says that the Security Council will meet to reconsider this at a later time.

Kerry has to sell this as "Hey I was lied to too" that brings the middle who see now that it was all based on lies in to supporting or at least considering him.
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  -Are you satisfied with Kerry's defense of IWR? m-jean03  Jan-26-04 12:05 PM   #0 
  - No, I'm not  Walt Starr   Jan-26-04 12:07 PM   #1 
  - Walt,  Poseidon   Jan-26-04 02:29 PM   #67 
  - Maybe you should post all of the links and quotes  La_Serpiente   Jan-26-04 12:08 PM   #2 
  - I believe him  HFishbine   Jan-26-04 12:08 PM   #3 
  - In a word, "no".  jpgray   Jan-26-04 12:08 PM   #4 
  - I like Kerry  eissa   Jan-26-04 12:10 PM   #5 
  - For me, anything short of a repudiation of his vote  LuminousX   Jan-26-04 12:10 PM   #6 
  - Nope  lcordero   Jan-26-04 12:11 PM   #7 
  - Yes  sangh0   Jan-26-04 12:11 PM   #8 
  - War is too important a thing ...  Iverson   Jan-26-04 12:11 PM   #9 
  - thank you  cthrumatrix   Jan-26-04 12:16 PM   #16 
  - I couldn't put it better myself  Forkboy   Jan-26-04 12:25 PM   #21 
  - Heck NO!!!  pnziii   Jan-26-04 12:12 PM   #10 
  - NO!  AntiCoup2k   Jan-26-04 12:12 PM   #11 
  - No  rfjockey   Jan-26-04 12:18 PM   #17 
  - Dean trying to compare and contrast the votes on I and II is a new low  Metrix   Jan-26-04 01:53 PM   #55 
  - Hell no.  Darth_Ole   Jan-26-04 12:18 PM   #18 
  - No.  killbotfactory   Jan-26-04 12:14 PM   #12 
  - I like Kerry, but Kerry couldn't get my watch & chain -  0007   Jan-26-04 12:15 PM   #13 
  - The President "Commander in Chief"  sandnsea   Jan-26-04 12:15 PM   #14 
  - Bill Clinton's insistence on Saddam explained a lot to me...  Monte Carlo   Jan-26-04 12:16 PM   #15 
  - Yes indeed, we do have the reciepts!  AntiCoup2k   Jan-26-04 12:45 PM   #34 
     - Those are funny. I saved them to disk.  Monte Carlo   Jan-26-04 01:56 PM   #57 
  - Let me suggest that everyone READ the IWR  underpants   Jan-26-04 12:19 PM   #19 
  - NO he shouldn't have voted for it but Yes his story will work  underpants   Jan-26-04 12:36 PM   #27 
  - To enforce UN resolutions  sandnsea   Jan-26-04 12:43 PM   #32 
     - Whereas members of al Qaida...........  underpants   Jan-26-04 01:02 PM   #42 
        - No, those aren't the Authorization  sandnsea   Jan-26-04 02:11 PM   #62 
  - Didn't Kerry insist certain limitations  m-jean03   Jan-26-04 12:41 PM   #31 
  - Other Senators did  isbister   Jan-26-04 01:25 PM   #45 
  - Here's where Congrsess handed over their authority  Walt Starr   Jan-26-04 12:45 PM   #35 
     - Try again  sangh0   Jan-26-04 12:56 PM   #38 
     - Joint resolutions do  goobergunch   Jan-26-04 01:44 PM   #52 
     - And thus, Kerry voted in favor  Walt Starr   Jan-26-04 02:13 PM   #65 
     - The resolution references the WPA  bigtree   Jan-26-04 01:47 PM   #53 
     - and did bush meet or  isbister   Jan-26-04 01:40 PM   #49 
  - Not particularly  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Jan-26-04 12:21 PM   #20 
  - The Democrats did but it failed  bigtree   Jan-26-04 01:51 PM   #54 
  - No  buff2   Jan-26-04 12:27 PM   #22 
  - the vote was 77-23  56kid   Jan-26-04 12:28 PM   #23 
  - No way  Upfront   Jan-26-04 12:29 PM   #24 
  - There's no excuse for it.  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-26-04 12:32 PM   #25 
  - Wes didn't know they were lying.  emulatorloo   Jan-26-04 12:52 PM   #36 
     - They're not "master liars"  Forkboy   Jan-26-04 12:54 PM   #37 
     - Logic or instinct told me they were lying on these counts  56kid   Jan-26-04 12:59 PM   #40 
     - OK I gave Chimpy way too much credit for his lyin' abilities  emulatorloo   Jan-26-04 01:19 PM   #43 
        - Not a good liar but he is never called on it  underpants   Jan-26-04 01:24 PM   #44 
     - Master liars?  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-26-04 01:27 PM   #46 
  - Unfortunately not  Ramsey   Jan-26-04 12:34 PM   #26 
  - No --  TopesJunkie   Jan-26-04 12:37 PM   #28 
  - no.  ulysses   Jan-26-04 12:38 PM   #29 
  - Heve you read IWR  Nicholas_J   Jan-26-04 12:38 PM   #30 
  - Two questions  Ramsey   Jan-26-04 12:58 PM   #39 
     - Bush has stated repeatedly before and after the vote  bigtree   Jan-26-04 02:04 PM   #59 
  - Yes  emulatorloo   Jan-26-04 12:44 PM   #33 
  - Not only deceived about WMD's  isbister   Jan-26-04 12:59 PM   #41 
  - 100%  NewYorkerfromMass   Jan-26-04 01:28 PM   #47 
  - Which One of Kerry's Different Defenses? There Have Been So Many.  David Zephyr   Jan-26-04 01:32 PM   #48 
  - These defenses  bigtree   Jan-26-04 01:42 PM   #51 
  - NO FARGEN WAY!  mzmolly   Jan-26-04 01:42 PM   #50 
  - No  Snivi Yllom   Jan-26-04 01:55 PM   #56 
  - No. Nor will I ever be.  IrateCitizen   Jan-26-04 02:02 PM   #58 
  - I liked what Rep. Kucinich did in Congress.  bigtree   Jan-26-04 02:11 PM   #61 
  - I am very satisfied  kstewart33   Jan-26-04 02:06 PM   #60 
  - You know what I am tired of regarding Iraq?  IrateCitizen   Jan-26-04 02:11 PM   #63 
  - His speech at the time  emulatorloo   Jan-26-04 02:11 PM   #64 
  - I'm satisfied  TorchesAndPitchforks   Jan-26-04 02:25 PM   #66 
  - No  ibegurpard   Jan-26-04 02:33 PM   #68 
  - I'm a Kerry supporter and I don't believe that  Magic Rat   Jan-26-04 02:34 PM   #69 

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