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1. Well, we need at least one link to start a discussion....
The Democratic Leadership Council is an organization founded in 1985 of moderate leaders of the United States Democratic Party that tries to move the party towards centrist positions. Despite its often moderate policy positions, however, the DLC is fiercely partisan, as evidenced by the tone and content of their "New Dem Dispatch" e-mail bulletins on what they view to be Republican mistakes and Democratic alternatives. Its current chairman is Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa, and its vice chair is Senator Tom Carper of Delaware.

The DLC's affiliated think tank is the Progressive Policy Institute, funded by the Third Way Foundation.

It is the opinion of DLC that left-wing positions are not politically viable, citing the failed candidacies of Senator George McGovern and Vice-President Walter Mondale. President Bill Clinton, a successful candidate, was active in the organization and is sometimes cited as evidence of the success of their policies.

Critics believe DLC-supported measures, such as the Welfare Reform Act, have had the effect of alienating the traditional constituencies of the Democratic Party such as labor, minorities, and the poor, and causing a reduction in Democratic voter turnout. Some contend that the 2000 presidential campaign was so close because voters could discern no significant policy difference between Governor George W. Bush and DLC activist Vice-President Al Gore. The DLC has been called the "Democratic Leisure Council" by the Reverend Jesse Jackson and Governor Mario Cuomo.

In May 2003, as the Democratic primary of the 2004 presidential campaign was starting to pick up, the organization voiced concern that the Democratic contenders might be taking positions too far left of the mainstream general electorate. Early front-runner Howard Dean, despite his reputation as a centrist governor of Vermont, was specifically criticized by DLC founder and CEO Al From. From's criticism of Dean was likely due to the former governor's outspoken opposition to the war in Iraq, which most party centrists, including From, endorsed. In October 2002, From and the DLC mentioned only in passing the plane crash that killed Senator Paul Wellstone, of Minnesota. Wellstone's proclamation, later used by Dean, calling himself "from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" has been interpreted by some as subtle criticism of the DLC and New Democrats in general.

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  -My first exposure to the DLC chaumont58  Jul-23-05 11:09 PM   #0 
  - Well, we need at least one link to start a discussion....  whistle   Jul-23-05 11:13 PM   #1 
  - After what we've been through the past 4-1/2 years,  8_year_nightmare   Jul-23-05 11:14 PM   #2 
  - Seems as if you drank it yourself.  Jim Sagle   Jul-23-05 11:25 PM   #3 
  - My apologies. I thought the original post was about the DNC.  8_year_nightmare   Jul-24-05 02:09 AM   #25 
  - The DLC deserves a lot of the blame for that.  AntiCoup2K4   Jul-23-05 11:26 PM   #4 
  - That says more than enough-  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 12:00 AM   #8 
  - Ew. The DLC is in even more urgent need of a purge than I thought.  magellan   Jul-24-05 12:22 AM   #17 
  - Not purge -- your graphic touches on the best approach  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 02:17 PM   #59 
  - Something else I'm wondering  FreedomAngel82   Jul-24-05 12:23 AM   #18 
     - Biden has signed at least one of their declairations in the past.  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 12:32 AM   #20 
  - I remember after last November  FreedomAngel82   Jul-24-05 12:20 AM   #15 
  - Dean's chairmanship was a coup.  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:16 PM   #58 
     - It absolutely was a coup -- well said  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 02:43 PM   #66 
        - It was a fantastic victory over the DLC.  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:48 PM   #69 
  - Kerry wasn't the most DLC of available candidates, and nothing was going  1932   Jul-24-05 01:30 AM   #24 
  - You're right -- not even honesty, integrity, playing by the rules,  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 02:50 PM   #70 
     - Notwithstanding Dean's early strength, I can't think of any set of circum-  1932   Jul-24-05 06:11 PM   #80 
  - Wow, I didn't know about Marshall's latest foray into fascism.  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:12 PM   #57 
  - Interestingly Kerry dod not vote for most of these things you quote  Mass   Jul-24-05 06:08 PM   #79 
  - chaumont58...  larissa   Jul-23-05 11:30 PM   #5 
     - I'd be voting with ammo in a revolution  AntiCoup2K4   Jul-23-05 11:32 PM   #6 
     - I, and others I talk to are starting to wonder.  gumby   Jul-24-05 12:01 AM   #10 
     - well, I'm also starting to wonder...  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 07:30 AM   #38 
        - How about we don't let corporations influence public debate?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-24-05 01:04 PM   #53 
     - This is not a question that you want to ask.  cornermouse   Jul-24-05 09:08 AM   #42 
     - False choice  Demgirl   Jul-25-05 04:21 PM   #101 
  - Your whole post tells us just about nothing.  LoZoccolo   Jul-23-05 11:57 PM   #7 
  - You're right... he gives ZERO examples...  larissa   Jul-24-05 12:00 AM   #9 
     - Don't know about all those elected officials,  gumby   Jul-24-05 12:09 AM   #11 
     - Chaumont...  larissa   Jul-24-05 12:15 AM   #13 
     - Damn, advanced stages...the cancer may be malignant. n/t  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 12:13 AM   #12 
     - OMG!!!! The Mayor of Laredo supports the DLC!!!!!  bvar22   Jul-24-05 12:30 AM   #19 
     - Great list, but it actually supports the OP view  burythehatchet   Jul-24-05 09:07 AM   #41 
  - DLC is better than Republican  KingFlorez   Jul-24-05 12:16 AM   #14 
  - You're right King..  larissa   Jul-24-05 12:21 AM   #16 
  - You're Right  Don1   Jul-24-05 12:57 AM   #22 
     - Just to be accurate, the DLCer mentioned merely HOSTED a PNACer.  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:22 PM   #60 
  - WRONG! The DLC is trying to ruin the DNC's grassroots effort.  Carolab   Jul-24-05 12:39 AM   #21 
  - I'm with you on that Carolab  bearfan454   Jul-24-05 01:20 PM   #55 
  - Specifics? I don't doubt it for a minute,  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 03:01 PM   #72 
     - The Nation had a good article about the DLC a few weeks back.  Carolab   Jul-24-05 11:21 PM   #85 
  - Real Democrat is much better DLC  rman   Jul-24-05 04:35 AM   #29 
  - Uh, noooooo. DLC pretty much IS Republican  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 02:58 PM   #71 
  - Here's a snip of one article:  Lorien   Jul-24-05 01:18 AM   #23 
  - Thank you!  wryter2000   Jul-24-05 12:05 PM   #50 
  - Well, Bill Clinton (who made the DLC famous, not the other way around)...  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:32 PM   #62 
     - "(who made the DLC famous, not the other way around)..."  wryter2000   Jul-24-05 05:09 PM   #73 
  - He gets it wrong pretty fast...  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:27 PM   #61 
  - The DLC is a malignant cancer on the Democratic party  AntiCoup2K4   Jul-24-05 03:25 AM   #26 
  - I'm betting you Think JFK was a Cancer then???  IndianaDemocrat   Jul-24-05 01:40 PM   #56 
     - Echoing Republicans to win elections isn't winning.  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:34 PM   #63 
     - We are not posturing, and neither is Dean. Forget their perception.  madfloridian   Jul-25-05 01:01 AM   #89 
  - The DLC are nothing but GOP/AEI moles  wli   Jul-24-05 04:13 AM   #27 
  - I would say some of THIS stuff could be written by freepers  brentspeak   Jul-24-05 04:16 AM   #28 
  - The same thought occured to me...  T Town Jake   Jul-24-05 05:19 AM   #31 
  - Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with the feeling of  cornermouse   Jul-24-05 09:41 AM   #44 
  - As a Liberal Independent I owe no fealty to the Democratic Party  magellan   Jul-24-05 05:44 AM   #32 
     - how did you draw that conclusion from that post?  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 07:27 AM   #37 
     - It just struck me as one of those "You must vote Democrat...  magellan   Jul-25-05 12:52 AM   #88 
     - OT: I love your avatar!  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:36 PM   #65 
  - Deceitful Little Conservatives  mmonk   Jul-24-05 05:10 AM   #30 
  - So im assuming that soon to be Gov. Spitzer...  liberaliraqvet26   Jul-24-05 05:58 AM   #33 
  - The malignant cancer on the party are ...  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 07:40 AM   #39 
  - Oh so here you are again.. doing the job as a DLC functionary.  radio4progressives   Jul-25-05 12:12 AM   #87 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-25-05 04:53 AM   #91 
  - Actually, liberaliraqvet26  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 05:22 PM   #74 
  - Al From, yes  Demgirl   Jul-25-05 04:23 PM   #102 
  - Funding from the Koch brothers should tell you plenty  JNelson6563   Jul-24-05 07:21 AM   #34 
  - Like Howard Dean, you mean?  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 07:24 AM   #36 
     - Busy thread for you!  JNelson6563   Jul-24-05 01:08 PM   #54 
     - Dean's our  zidzi   Jul-24-05 02:34 PM   #64 
     - you mean like Howard Dean?  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 05:58 PM   #75 
     - You need to stop that Koch stuff.  madfloridian   Jul-25-05 01:03 AM   #90 
        - no I don't.  wyldwolf   Jul-25-05 04:55 AM   #92 
  - More of the same  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 07:23 AM   #35 
  - i have one answer for you ...joe lieberman and his ilk  ooglymoogly   Jul-24-05 10:00 AM   #45 
  - aside from his support of the Iraq war...  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 06:01 PM   #76 
     - kerry and edwards like most democrats voted to give the president  ooglymoogly   Jul-25-05 03:11 PM   #99 
  - My problem with the DLC is their unwavering support for "free trade" and  gulfcoastliberal   Jul-24-05 12:22 PM   #51 
  - How 'bout what all Democrats should NOT be  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 06:02 PM   #77 
     - ok, point by point:  wyldwolf   Jul-24-05 06:07 PM   #78 
     - "Democratic party should put national interests above special interests"  Zhade   Jul-25-05 02:06 PM   #97 
     - The Iraq war had fuckall to do with the removal of Hussein  eridani   Jul-25-05 06:21 AM   #93 
  - The DLC seems to have two jobs:  Q   Jul-24-05 08:52 AM   #40 
  - Excellent post. n/t  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 10:57 AM   #47 
  - Maybe we could start an alternative?  emcguffie   Jul-24-05 11:10 AM   #49 
  - Dean's elecrtion as DNC chair went a long way toward helping  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 06:12 PM   #81 
  - The problem is that the 'party bosses' had no control over Dean...  Q   Jul-24-05 06:31 PM   #82 
     - So Dean sold out?  tommcintyre   Jul-25-05 04:13 PM   #100 
  - DLC candidates lose  Demgirl   Jul-25-05 04:29 PM   #103 
  - Gotta agree with you once again Q  Lorien   Jul-24-05 01:01 PM   #52 
  - I have a slightly different view in one regard...  Zhade   Jul-24-05 02:44 PM   #67 
  - Right. And here's an example of their ongoing war on Dean  Eloriel   Jul-24-05 06:43 PM   #83 
  - The DLC loses nothing having Dean as Chair...  Q   Jul-24-05 11:35 PM   #86 
  - I have to disagree...  Q   Jul-25-05 07:29 AM   #96 
  - Yep. They're the "Zell-its" of the Democratic Party.  TahitiNut   Jul-24-05 02:47 PM   #68 
  - Same here, TN. Same here.  Zhade   Jul-25-05 02:10 PM   #98 
  - HALLELUJAH!  d_b   Jul-25-05 06:33 AM   #94 
  - Some readings from the DLC web site  chaumont58   Jul-24-05 09:22 AM   #43 
  - thank you for steppin up to the plate  ooglymoogly   Jul-24-05 10:06 AM   #46 
     - More like  Don1   Jul-24-05 10:44 PM   #84 
  - The last 30 years Dems have been "reactionary" --  emcguffie   Jul-24-05 11:09 AM   #48 
  - Being able to see something and doing something about it...  Q   Jul-25-05 07:21 AM   #95 
  - go here  xxqqqzme   Jul-25-05 04:44 PM   #104 

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