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47. Here's the link and the quote. Enjoy!
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 12:45 PM by AP

"Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean brought his campaign to Howard University yesterday for a town hall-style meeting with students and faculty -- and a chance to prove that he can win over some of his party's most loyal constituents.

Dean comes from a state with a predominantly white population and has relied on the Internet -- which is used disproportionately by white and relatively well-off individuals -- to attract support, leading some of his rivals to question whether he can connect with minority voters. His speech came just hours after eight of his Democratic rivals penned a letter, criticizing Dean for supporting a plan to hold Michigan's presidential primary on-line. That, they said, would effectively disenfranchise many minorities there. The letter was signed by every candidate except retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark.

Dean told the crowd, as he has often said, that minorities do not need white politicians lecturing them on race -- and for much of his speech, he did not. ... Only near the end of his talk did Dean focus on minority issues. ... Later, after the applause had subsided, one student asked if Dean would be willing to choose a black running mate. The governor demurred, saying it is too early for him to name possible vice presidential candidates.

{He didn't demure when he was pretending that he asked Clark to be his VP}

Another student wondered what Dean might do to lessen the number of African Americans in prison. Dean warned that 'we can't get all weepy and liberal about this,' but promised to treat substance abuse as a medical issue, rather than a 'criminal problem,' and to fight racism in sentencing.

It's way more complicated than that, Howard. Lisa Duggan, in the Twilight of Equality, talks about how the debate around putting black men in prison is a fascinating lesson in how the right wing was able to stamp out what was, until the early 70s, was becoming an effective left movement for liberal redistribution of political, economic and cultural power that stood to benefit more than just black Americans, but the working class, women, and everyone. The government has been able to cast people fighting or responding to economic injustice as criminals. That's why members of the most economically oppressed demographic groups are in jail disproportionate to other demographic groups. Drug use is a symptom not a cause. Even sentencing rates are symptom not a cause.

Real Democrats look at this issue and see that it's one of spreading the benefits of society more broadly and giving people real economic opportunity. Republicans think of it as an intended circumstance that breaks up coalitions which might push for downward redistributions of power.

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  -Shocking Dean quotes, weird how he switched sgr2  Jan-26-04 06:02 AM   #0 
  - shocking  mdmc   Jan-26-04 06:13 AM   #1 
  - Interesting - so, what's in his sealed records?  molly   Jan-26-04 06:16 AM   #2 
  - Dr. Dean, "YOU HAVE THE POWER" to release those records.  oasis   Jan-26-04 11:06 AM   #24 
  - It is fairly remarkable how "radicalized"...  w13rd0   Jan-26-04 06:17 AM   #3 
  - At least Clark's excuse makes sense: trying to be a good soldier.  AP   Jan-26-04 09:12 AM   #20 
  - Not Surprising...  MarkTwain   Jan-26-04 06:21 AM   #4 
  - Praising Simian Boy......  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-26-04 06:24 AM   #6 
  - Any other old, outdated, and out-of-context quotes from pubs?  patricia92243   Jan-26-04 06:23 AM   #5 
  - Professional flip flopper  Uzybone   Jan-26-04 06:57 AM   #7 
  - A politician changing his mind. Someone call the Enquirer.  ulysses   Jan-26-04 06:59 AM   #8 
  - For The Love Of God  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-26-04 07:10 AM   #11 
     - yes, and  ulysses   Jan-26-04 07:26 AM   #14 
        - uly, do you know the difference between 3 years and 10?  sangh0   Jan-26-04 11:10 AM   #25 
           - When did Bush get elected to his second term as Gov in TX?  TLM   Jan-26-04 11:18 AM   #27 
           - Boy, uly  sangh0   Jan-26-04 11:19 AM   #28 
              - LOL!  ulysses   Jan-26-04 11:22 AM   #31 
           - to tell, sangha, what's your (completely objective) cutoff point  ulysses   Jan-26-04 11:21 AM   #29 
           - hello?  ulysses   Jan-26-04 11:34 AM   #32 
              - I'll have to catch up to you later, got some errands to run.  ulysses   Jan-26-04 11:59 AM   #36 
                 - I like lunch  sangh0   Jan-26-04 12:30 PM   #39 
                    - thanks for the answer.  ulysses   Jan-26-04 12:33 PM   #40 
                       - Still no response from you  sangh0   Jan-26-04 12:40 PM   #44 
                          - you didn't ask, ace.  ulysses   Jan-26-04 12:46 PM   #48 
           - I forgot, hating Bush is a job requirement for future Presidents n/t  Caliphoto   Jan-26-04 12:37 PM   #42 
              - How could you?  sangh0   Jan-26-04 12:41 PM   #45 
  - I'm glad I found a  cheryl27   Jan-26-04 07:06 AM   #9 
  - Just curious  hey2370   Jan-26-04 07:36 AM   #15 
  - agreed  Mobius   Jan-26-04 07:07 AM   #10 
  - I'll take someone who praised Bush a long time ago  foktarded   Jan-26-04 07:11 AM   #12 
  - Fairly balanced Article  drfemoe   Jan-26-04 07:21 AM   #13 
  - So what??  onecitzenBtrayed   Jan-26-04 07:54 AM   #16 
  - Because even I could tell that TX was a stepping stone to DC for W,  AP   Jan-26-04 09:10 AM   #19 
  - Yet Edwards VOTED WITH BUSH for most of the last 3 years...  TLM   Jan-26-04 11:48 AM   #34 
  - Totally reasonable rebuttal.. thanks!  Caliphoto   Jan-26-04 12:39 PM   #43 
  - Stop! Dean was a flaming liberal as Governor! Wasn't he? uh...  John_H   Jan-26-04 09:03 AM   #17 
  - article from last week  dymaxia   Jan-26-04 09:49 AM   #21 
     - He's too liberal! He's too conservative!  Logansquare   Jan-26-04 10:27 AM   #22 
  - More recently, at Howard University...  AP   Jan-26-04 09:08 AM   #18 
  - Gee no wonder his minority support is lukewarm.  NewYorkerfromMass   Jan-26-04 11:21 AM   #30 
  - And surprise, you provide no quote and no link!  TLM   Jan-26-04 11:51 AM   #35 
     - Here's the link and the quote. Enjoy!  AP   Jan-26-04 12:44 PM   #47 
  - Acknowledging that Bush did well in an election is a sin  killbotfactory   Jan-26-04 10:44 AM   #23 
  - lol  Snivi Yllom   Jan-26-04 11:14 AM   #26 
     - Your namesake made her opinion known.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jan-26-04 11:36 AM   #33 
  - I don't see the switch. These quotes still represent his views on THOSE  w4rma   Jan-26-04 12:04 PM   #37 
  - Weird how he switched?  MuseRider   Jan-26-04 12:06 PM   #38 
  - Oh Goody! Another bash Dean (or insert candidate name here) thread!  Caliphoto   Jan-26-04 12:36 PM   #41 
  - So.. The U.S. used to like OBL, and we financed him...  Caliphoto   Jan-26-04 12:41 PM   #46 

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