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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:14 PM
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50. They KNEW the Niger documents were forgeries too - and suppressed this
fact. They deliberately witheld access to them despite continuous pleas for MONTHS - it took only a few hours for the experts to be able to gather conclusive proof of their fakery once they did see them. You didn't have to be a Niger expert to spot it - as the excerpted translation in the OP shows, the French used was laughably bad. (I tend think that if the Italian government had done it, or if a Nigerian had done it, better French could have been used.) The administration had been told by their own security experts not to believe these documents.

It's both things - the forgery itself and how/by whom the fact of their OBVIOUS fraudulence was suppressed. Condi is supposed to be this great linguist - if she had read them she would have known.
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  -Yglesias: WHO FORGED THE NIGER DOCUMENTS? At the heart of the WMD lies Nothing Without Hope  Jul-19-05 11:02 AM   #0 
  - And why did we fall for them so easily?  MookieWilson   Jul-19-05 11:05 AM   #1 
  - The question of who pushed for their acceptance as authentic is part  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 11:13 AM   #2 
     - I answered my own question: New Yorker article and Google search  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 11:34 AM   #9 
  - why haven't any media folks tried to speak with Rocco?  Supersedeas   Jul-19-05 11:13 AM   #3 
  - It took the IAEA 24 hours to declare them forgeries. That was known  FloridaPat   Jul-19-05 11:15 AM   #4 
  - There was a New Yorker article about this, suggesting that it might  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 11:19 AM   #5 
  - probably to 10 seconds the report took a day to get read.  sam sarrha   Jul-19-05 12:33 PM   #20 
  - It is said that a Nigerian Diplomat made them up for Profit, he heard that  sam sarrha   Jul-19-05 11:22 AM   #6 
  - Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker re the forged Niger documents:  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 11:31 AM   #7 
  - This Hersh article is very interesting. Thanks for the link.  enough   Jul-19-05 12:15 PM   #12 
     - And there's another important Hersh article downthread here;  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 12:25 PM   #15 
  - RE: Michael Ledeen/Niger Docs/Etc.  Emit   Jul-19-05 11:34 AM   #8 
  - Well don't shoot a messenger  Norquist Nemesis   Jul-19-05 11:44 AM   #10 
  - BUT these documents were OBVIOUS, BLATANT FORGERIES  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 11:50 AM   #11 
     - The people pushing them are the same people that put 16 words  Norquist Nemesis   Jul-19-05 12:20 PM   #13 
     - They were told the documents were forgeries but they still used them.  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 12:28 PM   #16 
     - I'm not disagreeing  Norquist Nemesis   Jul-19-05 12:34 PM   #21 
        - Nope, no disagreement here. Amazing how this whole story has been  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 02:04 PM   #24 
     - no wonder they fought (and are still fighting) to discredit Wilson -  Laura PackYourBags   Jul-19-05 12:35 PM   #22 
     - I smell...... BU$H SHIT..............!!!! this is typical Bu$h Shit  sam sarrha   Jul-19-05 12:29 PM   #17 
  - Here is the other Seymour Hersh New Yorker article, where Bolton's  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 12:23 PM   #14 
  - This supports what I was pointing out  Norquist Nemesis   Jul-19-05 12:30 PM   #18 
  - was this before or after Bush ordered a 'Purge of Liberals' from CIA/FBI ?  sam sarrha   Jul-19-05 12:32 PM   #19 
     - The "Stovepipe" Hersh New Yorker story lays that out - how "real"  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 02:06 PM   #25 
     - He also purged "liberal" generals from the Pentagon  SpiralHawk   Jul-20-05 09:01 PM   #46 
  - This might have nothing to do with this, just a thought. Remember  bunny planet   Jul-19-05 01:33 PM   #23 
  - I'm betting there is a connection, even if it is only cronies passing info  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 02:07 PM   #26 
  - so I haven't entered the total paranoia zone Hope.  bunny planet   Jul-19-05 02:12 PM   #27 
     - With this gang, the Paranoia Zone is probably the wisest place to be  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 02:18 PM   #28 
  - A MAJOR SPY SCANDAL IS BREAKING IN ITALY Jul 4, 2005  Emit   Jul-19-05 04:15 PM   #31 
  - Libby/Cheney: War Machine & Their Overseas Buds  AuntiBush   Jul-19-05 02:30 PM   #29 
  - MSN/Slate timeline for the forged documents - who said what, when:  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 02:45 PM   #30 
  - *'s answer: "It was Bubba!"  paineinthearse   Jul-19-05 04:33 PM   #32 
  - The Wikipedia entry on this leans toward the Bush Admin, probably  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 04:46 PM   #33 
  - Doesn't anyone remember Josh Marshall & Linda Rozen all over this when  KoKo01   Jul-19-05 05:04 PM   #34 
  - Yes, never saw the video. Here's an overview  Emit   Jul-19-05 05:52 PM   #36 
     - Thanks..for "overview" info...good read. Even my "dial up" allowed Ed  KoKo01   Jul-19-05 06:55 PM   #37 
  - Maybe we should EMAIL Sen. Rockefeller and ASK ABOUT THE STATUS OF  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 05:16 PM   #35 
  - kick n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-19-05 08:50 PM   #38 
  - A related question: Who forged the "Rathergate" documents?  TexasThoughtCriminal   Jul-19-05 10:50 PM   #39 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-19-05 11:32 PM   #40 
  - And who Forged the Documents on Galloway  homeopathic   Jul-20-05 01:22 AM   #41 
     - Oh, My! I hadn't seen this one  Norquist Nemesis   Jul-20-05 08:27 AM   #42 
  - AGAIN: WE SHOULD DU JAY ROCKEFELLER, ASKING ABOUT THE FBI PROBE  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-20-05 08:29 AM   #43 
  - kick n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-20-05 03:43 PM   #44 
  - kick n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-20-05 07:25 PM   #45 
  - Investigation of these questions MUST MUST MUST be pushed!!!  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-20-05 11:59 PM   #47 
  - This dovetails with the Plame leak scandal, but has received MUCH less  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-21-05 11:28 AM   #48 
  - Agreed  Emit   Jul-21-05 02:20 PM   #53 
  - Kick.. ....because maybe Fitzgerald is persuing this....  KoKo01   Jul-21-05 12:34 PM   #49 
  - They KNEW the Niger documents were forgeries too - and suppressed this  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-21-05 01:14 PM   #50 
     - Didn't Condi say: "It didn't come to my attentio...maybe it was somewhere  KoKo01   Jul-21-05 06:53 PM   #56 
        - Yes, they don't call her CondiLiar for nothing. She's definitely part of  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-21-05 08:48 PM   #58 
  - Here's a MUST READ opinion piece, summarizing this  Emit   Jul-21-05 01:28 PM   #51 
  - When they tell us who forged the documents, they will have to kill us.  bribri16   Jul-21-05 01:33 PM   #52 
  - Josh Marshall: the FBI is AVOIDING investigating Martino - a hot potato!  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-21-05 05:17 PM   #54 
  - This is the person Josh and Linda brought into the US while Dan Rather  KoKo01   Jul-21-05 06:58 PM   #57 
  - FBI director, Mueller ---  maryallen   Jul-25-05 10:43 PM   #69 
  - Why is investigation into the Niger forgeries being suppressed?  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-21-05 06:47 PM   #55 
  - Re: Robert Mueller, FBI director ---  maryallen   Jul-25-05 10:58 PM   #72 
  - I have a question  Emit   Jul-21-05 09:01 PM   #59 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-22-05 07:16 AM   #60 
  - kick - we need to be pushing this  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-22-05 09:45 AM   #61 
  - kick - this is an epicenter of the lies, we need to investigate n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-22-05 04:18 PM   #62 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 12:56 PM   #63 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-24-05 08:55 PM   #64 
  - .  IChing   Jul-25-05 12:50 AM   #65 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-25-05 06:48 AM   #66 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-25-05 12:05 PM   #67 
  - .  Al-CIAda   Jul-25-05 09:46 PM   #68 
  - Thank you for keeping this kicked. The complementary thread  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-25-05 10:56 PM   #71 
  - Maybe same person who forged Bush military records given to CBS?  McCamy Taylor   Jul-25-05 10:49 PM   #70 
  - Nothing Without Hope, if you haven't read this article  Emit   Jul-28-05 01:00 AM   #73 
 

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