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Reply #26: And Al Gore himself summed it up best in 2000: [View All]

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26. And Al Gore himself summed it up best in 2000:
"People versus the Powerful" and his constant, unremitting references to "Big Oil".

As usual, the media made fun of it and the sheeple, this time including progressive, otherwise intelligent people, went along happily.

I had not followed politics all that much until then; but the difference between Bush and Gore was clear as night and day. Just the intelligence quotient difference would have been sufficient for me.

The Democratic party does need to be dragged away from this corporate money addiction it has gotten itself into (somewhat due to necessity) -- but Nader in 2000 was not going to do it and that was clear for anyone not self-indulgent enough to see that they were helping the obviously worse choice by their actions. There is NO getting around this point: Nader voters should have used their heads instead of their hearts.

In fact, most of the left was irresponsible in that election. For instance, in the home-stretch days of the 2000 election, Florida enviros were making loud noises about some stupid air strip or the other and Gore's position on it, which may have cost Gore far more than the 500+ votes that Gore needed.

The problem for the Democratic party is the fact that most of the activists seem to live in a rarified world were the consequences of their irresponsible advocacies (such as during the crunch times of elections) are not really felt by them, but by those for whom they should be advocating.

It is mind-boggling that those who voted for Nader can still cling to that mind-set. The only rational course of action for the 2000-Naderites now is to acknowledge the error of their ways and learn from the mistake. What is the difference between the thugs maintaining that they are never wrong and this inane insistence from Naderites "that they could not have foreseen how bad Bush would be"? It was not necessary for Bushco to be this bad; the results of 2000 would have been sufficient for you to fess up and say: "sorry, we were stupid enough not to be rational; this was an indulgence, we will henceforward be more thoughtful of the consequences of our actions". This is the way to grow; stubborn adherence to a viewpoint will not advance us or more importantly, our causes.

I am not saying activists should shut up -- but they have to exercise their sense of perspective: when the choice presented to you is between a man who claims that human behavior has no effect on the earth and a man who wrote "Earth in the balance", and you are an avowed enviro...
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  I can't believe people actually hold nader supporters responsible DS9Voy  Jul-01-05 04:51 PM   #0 
   oh, I can.  ulysses   Jul-01-05 04:55 PM   #1 
   they are so fucking predictable. nt  jonnyblitz   Jul-01-05 07:57 PM   #59 
   Bush is responsible for his actions  mydawgmax   Jul-01-05 04:57 PM   #2 
   And the (*&@#%(&!%# Baptists are to blame for the state of the Catholic  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 04:59 PM   #3 
   Good analogy...  DerekG   Jul-01-05 11:59 PM   #73 
   actually it was all predicted except 9-11 so you'll get no pass from me  amazona   Jul-01-05 05:00 PM   #4 
   Yep! You said it. We warned them about everything except 9/11..  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:43 PM   #52 
   Boy, are you ever right!!  Lindacooks   Jul-01-05 10:16 PM   #66 
   I don't blame anyone for voting for Nader in 2000  wryter2000DU Moderator   Jul-01-05 05:00 PM   #5 
   yes, and they said it so often and so loudly!  amazona   Jul-01-05 05:03 PM   #7 
   I agree - I don't care if someone wasted a vote - I care that they  DURHAM D   Jul-01-05 05:10 PM   #12 
      who would be foolish enough to think that there is no difference..  frylock   Jul-01-05 06:06 PM   #42 
         I don't know - most of the people that I know who were Nader  DURHAM D   Jul-01-05 06:13 PM   #44 
         the effect nader had on 2000 was negligable when you factor in..  frylock   Jul-01-05 06:19 PM   #46 
            Who are you talking to - your response is a non sequitur. eom  DURHAM D   Jul-01-05 06:28 PM   #47 
            90,000 Nader votes in Florida, crowned King George. Stop  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:45 PM   #54 
               97,488 (official final tally for Nader) n/t  jerryster   Jul-01-05 09:57 PM   #64 
         For fucks sake, more than half of the goddamn Democratic  Telly Savalas   Jul-02-05 12:04 AM   #74 
   I don't blame Nadar.  katsy   Jul-01-05 05:01 PM   #6 
   And I am a Green who knows that my party can't win at federal levels at  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:25 PM   #16 
      Who knows...  katsy   Jul-01-05 08:56 PM   #61 
   I did, I do, and hold rightwingers responsible too.  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:04 PM   #8 
   But are you seeing posts touting third party idealism? I see more nader  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:26 PM   #18 
   I'm sorry, but...  Totally Committed   Jul-01-05 05:06 PM   #9 
   Time to come together  Strawman   Jul-01-05 05:07 PM   #10 
   Make that 2 noms.. if Rehnquist goes... :^(  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:29 PM   #20 
   How are we supposed to defeat a Thomas clone? How? Do you  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:47 PM   #56 
   (sigh)  cornermouse   Jul-01-05 05:07 PM   #11 
   How could you not know after the Clinton impeachment how..  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:51 PM   #57 
      Well, since I did not vote for Nader or Bush either time....  cornermouse   Jul-01-05 09:28 PM   #62 
   I told you so in 2000  Frances   Jul-01-05 05:10 PM   #13 
   DU didn't exist in 2000  DS9Voy   Jul-01-05 05:12 PM   #14 
      DU didn't exist in 2000, I got all my news from mainstream news too  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:25 PM   #17 
      Same for you. Get us some election reform so we can vote for who we want  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:28 PM   #19 
         My party has never been in power. Ever. Yet.  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:34 PM   #22 
            Did you vote for someone other than a dem in 2000?  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:39 PM   #23 
               Yes, but not for president.  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:41 PM   #25 
                  I wasted my vote in 2004 .. on Kerry..But I wouldn't have counted it a  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:44 PM   #27 
                     Yup. n/t  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:46 PM   #30 
      Did you consider that giving them 100% control of the government.,.  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:53 PM   #58 
   Nader voters were just as irrational...  newswolf56   Jul-01-05 05:20 PM   #15 
   You bet I can. I can blame BOTH groups.  tedoll78   Jul-01-05 05:31 PM   #21 
   Yeah, no Dems were complicit in the implosion of the USA. No sirree  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:40 PM   #24 
      Are you saying that because Dems have done wrong, shouldn't critisize  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:44 PM   #28 
      I am saying that  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:47 PM   #31 
         Okay then..  tedoll78   Jul-01-05 05:49 PM   #34 
         Wasn't speaking to you specifically. But I have seen it from others around  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:51 PM   #37 
         OK, thanks for the clarification.  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 06:00 PM   #40 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-05 05:48 PM   #32 
         If it makes you happy, go for it. In fact, pretend I've never voted Dem  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:55 PM   #38 
   And Al Gore himself summed it up best in 2000:  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Jul-01-05 05:42 PM   #26 
   Cut the crap -- you got EXACTLY what you wanted.  dolstein   Jul-01-05 05:46 PM   #29 
   And those DINOs on the Hill.. how are they working out for ya? That's  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:49 PM   #33 
   All right. Gotta bail on this thread folks. Don't wanna end up TSed like  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-01-05 05:49 PM   #35 
   Your summary seems accurate, could still happen  uppityperson   Jul-01-05 05:50 PM   #36 
   I voted Nader in 2000 and I don't regret it. Of course, I don't live in a  John Q. Citizen   Jul-01-05 05:58 PM   #39 
   Green supporters need to be accountable for their actions.....  dhinojosa   Jul-01-05 06:01 PM   #41 
   it must be much easier for some to blame Nader and the Greens  anakie   Jul-01-05 06:11 PM   #43 
   AND... blame all the DEMOCRATS who voted for Bush  Tinoire   Jul-01-05 06:17 PM   #45 
   So Dems should move to the right to get conservative votes?  JHBowden   Jul-01-05 07:08 PM   #50 
      Nope. Not at all. If the Dem Party stopped catering to those idiots  Tinoire   Jul-01-05 11:25 PM   #69 
   I'm willing to forgive  fujiyama   Jul-01-05 06:48 PM   #48 
   Apparently, Nader is in good company..........  John Q. Citizen   Jul-01-05 08:02 PM   #60 
   I realize this is heresy, but if we MUST assign blame for...  newswolf56   Jul-01-05 07:07 PM   #49 
   People tried to tell you all it would be this bad... A little common sense  Kahuna   Jul-01-05 07:39 PM   #51 
   Sadly, Nader did help screw the pooch so he lives with it just like the  NVMojo   Jul-01-05 07:44 PM   #53 
   blame  Parche   Jul-01-05 07:47 PM   #55 
   Bygones  zulchzulu   Jul-01-05 09:39 PM   #63 
   Locking  iconoclastic cat   Jul-01-05 10:08 PM   #65 
   Why did you think we would have the Congress?  dsc   Jul-01-05 10:52 PM   #67 
   Well  DS9Voy   Jul-01-05 11:40 PM   #72 
   i can't believe you can't believe  dajoki   Jul-01-05 11:11 PM   #68 
   If Nader wasn't on the ballot in Florida in 2000  bowens43   Jul-01-05 11:32 PM   #70 
   I knew it would be god awful. But I had no idea that these thugs  chieftain   Jul-01-05 11:34 PM   #71 
   Locking  ModeratorDU Moderator   Jul-02-05 12:05 AM   #75 
 

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