Sick_of_Rethuggery
(847 posts)
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Fri Jul-01-05 05:42 PM
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| 26. And Al Gore himself summed it up best in 2000: |
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"People versus the Powerful" and his constant, unremitting references to "Big Oil".
As usual, the media made fun of it and the sheeple, this time including progressive, otherwise intelligent people, went along happily.
I had not followed politics all that much until then; but the difference between Bush and Gore was clear as night and day. Just the intelligence quotient difference would have been sufficient for me.
The Democratic party does need to be dragged away from this corporate money addiction it has gotten itself into (somewhat due to necessity) -- but Nader in 2000 was not going to do it and that was clear for anyone not self-indulgent enough to see that they were helping the obviously worse choice by their actions. There is NO getting around this point: Nader voters should have used their heads instead of their hearts.
In fact, most of the left was irresponsible in that election. For instance, in the home-stretch days of the 2000 election, Florida enviros were making loud noises about some stupid air strip or the other and Gore's position on it, which may have cost Gore far more than the 500+ votes that Gore needed.
The problem for the Democratic party is the fact that most of the activists seem to live in a rarified world were the consequences of their irresponsible advocacies (such as during the crunch times of elections) are not really felt by them, but by those for whom they should be advocating.
It is mind-boggling that those who voted for Nader can still cling to that mind-set. The only rational course of action for the 2000-Naderites now is to acknowledge the error of their ways and learn from the mistake. What is the difference between the thugs maintaining that they are never wrong and this inane insistence from Naderites "that they could not have foreseen how bad Bush would be"? It was not necessary for Bushco to be this bad; the results of 2000 would have been sufficient for you to fess up and say: "sorry, we were stupid enough not to be rational; this was an indulgence, we will henceforward be more thoughtful of the consequences of our actions". This is the way to grow; stubborn adherence to a viewpoint will not advance us or more importantly, our causes.
I am not saying activists should shut up -- but they have to exercise their sense of perspective: when the choice presented to you is between a man who claims that human behavior has no effect on the earth and a man who wrote "Earth in the balance", and you are an avowed enviro...
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I can't believe people actually hold nader supporters responsible |
DS9Voy |
Jul-01-05 04:51 PM |
#0 |

oh, I can. |
ulysses |
Jul-01-05 04:55 PM |
#1 |
 
they are so fucking predictable. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-01-05 07:57 PM |
#59 |

Bush is responsible for his actions |
mydawgmax |
Jul-01-05 04:57 PM |
#2 |

And the (*&@#%(&!%# Baptists are to blame for the state of the Catholic |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 04:59 PM |
#3 |
 
Good analogy... |
DerekG |
Jul-01-05 11:59 PM |
#73 |

actually it was all predicted except 9-11 so you'll get no pass from me |
amazona |
Jul-01-05 05:00 PM |
#4 |
 
Yep! You said it. We warned them about everything except 9/11.. |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:43 PM |
#52 |
 
Boy, are you ever right!! |
Lindacooks |
Jul-01-05 10:16 PM |
#66 |

I don't blame anyone for voting for Nader in 2000 |
wryter2000 |
Jul-01-05 05:00 PM |
#5 |
 
yes, and they said it so often and so loudly! |
amazona |
Jul-01-05 05:03 PM |
#7 |
 
I agree - I don't care if someone wasted a vote - I care that they |
DURHAM D |
Jul-01-05 05:10 PM |
#12 |

who would be foolish enough to think that there is no difference.. |
frylock |
Jul-01-05 06:06 PM |
#42 |

I don't know - most of the people that I know who were Nader |
DURHAM D |
Jul-01-05 06:13 PM |
#44 |
 
the effect nader had on 2000 was negligable when you factor in.. |
frylock |
Jul-01-05 06:19 PM |
#46 |

Who are you talking to - your response is a non sequitur. eom |
DURHAM D |
Jul-01-05 06:28 PM |
#47 |

90,000 Nader votes in Florida, crowned King George. Stop |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:45 PM |
#54 |

97,488 (official final tally for Nader) n/t |
jerryster |
Jul-01-05 09:57 PM |
#64 |

For fucks sake, more than half of the goddamn Democratic |
Telly Savalas |
Jul-02-05 12:04 AM |
#74 |

I don't blame Nadar. |
katsy |
Jul-01-05 05:01 PM |
#6 |
 
And I am a Green who knows that my party can't win at federal levels at |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:25 PM |
#16 |

Who knows... |
katsy |
Jul-01-05 08:56 PM |
#61 |

I did, I do, and hold rightwingers responsible too. |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:04 PM |
#8 |
 
But are you seeing posts touting third party idealism? I see more nader |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:26 PM |
#18 |

I'm sorry, but... |
Totally Committed |
Jul-01-05 05:06 PM |
#9 |

Time to come together |
Strawman |
Jul-01-05 05:07 PM |
#10 |
 
Make that 2 noms.. if Rehnquist goes... :^( |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:29 PM |
#20 |
 
How are we supposed to defeat a Thomas clone? How? Do you |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:47 PM |
#56 |

(sigh) |
cornermouse |
Jul-01-05 05:07 PM |
#11 |
 
How could you not know after the Clinton impeachment how.. |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:51 PM |
#57 |

Well, since I did not vote for Nader or Bush either time.... |
cornermouse |
Jul-01-05 09:28 PM |
#62 |

I told you so in 2000 |
Frances |
Jul-01-05 05:10 PM |
#13 |
 
DU didn't exist in 2000 |
DS9Voy |
Jul-01-05 05:12 PM |
#14 |

DU didn't exist in 2000, I got all my news from mainstream news too |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:25 PM |
#17 |
 
Same for you. Get us some election reform so we can vote for who we want |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:28 PM |
#19 |

My party has never been in power. Ever. Yet. |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:34 PM |
#22 |

Did you vote for someone other than a dem in 2000? |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:39 PM |
#23 |

Yes, but not for president. |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:41 PM |
#25 |

I wasted my vote in 2004 .. on Kerry..But I wouldn't have counted it a |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:44 PM |
#27 |

Yup. n/t |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:46 PM |
#30 |

Did you consider that giving them 100% control of the government.,. |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:53 PM |
#58 |

Nader voters were just as irrational... |
newswolf56 |
Jul-01-05 05:20 PM |
#15 |

You bet I can. I can blame BOTH groups. |
tedoll78 |
Jul-01-05 05:31 PM |
#21 |
 
Yeah, no Dems were complicit in the implosion of the USA. No sirree |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:40 PM |
#24 |

Are you saying that because Dems have done wrong, shouldn't critisize |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:44 PM |
#28 |
 
I am saying that |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:47 PM |
#31 |

Okay then.. |
tedoll78 |
Jul-01-05 05:49 PM |
#34 |
 
Wasn't speaking to you specifically. But I have seen it from others around |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:51 PM |
#37 |

OK, thanks for the clarification. |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 06:00 PM |
#40 |

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Name removed |
Jul-01-05 05:48 PM |
#32 |

If it makes you happy, go for it. In fact, pretend I've never voted Dem |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:55 PM |
#38 |

And Al Gore himself summed it up best in 2000: |
Sick_of_Rethuggery |
Jul-01-05 05:42 PM |
#26 |

Cut the crap -- you got EXACTLY what you wanted. |
dolstein |
Jul-01-05 05:46 PM |
#29 |
 
And those DINOs on the Hill.. how are they working out for ya? That's |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:49 PM |
#33 |
  
All right. Gotta bail on this thread folks. Don't wanna end up TSed like |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-01-05 05:49 PM |
#35 |
 
Your summary seems accurate, could still happen |
uppityperson |
Jul-01-05 05:50 PM |
#36 |

I voted Nader in 2000 and I don't regret it. Of course, I don't live in a |
John Q. Citizen |
Jul-01-05 05:58 PM |
#39 |

Green supporters need to be accountable for their actions..... |
dhinojosa |
Jul-01-05 06:01 PM |
#41 |

it must be much easier for some to blame Nader and the Greens |
anakie |
Jul-01-05 06:11 PM |
#43 |

AND... blame all the DEMOCRATS who voted for Bush |
Tinoire |
Jul-01-05 06:17 PM |
#45 |
 
So Dems should move to the right to get conservative votes? |
JHBowden |
Jul-01-05 07:08 PM |
#50 |

Nope. Not at all. If the Dem Party stopped catering to those idiots |
Tinoire |
Jul-01-05 11:25 PM |
#69 |

I'm willing to forgive |
fujiyama |
Jul-01-05 06:48 PM |
#48 |
 
Apparently, Nader is in good company.......... |
John Q. Citizen |
Jul-01-05 08:02 PM |
#60 |

I realize this is heresy, but if we MUST assign blame for... |
newswolf56 |
Jul-01-05 07:07 PM |
#49 |

People tried to tell you all it would be this bad... A little common sense |
Kahuna |
Jul-01-05 07:39 PM |
#51 |

Sadly, Nader did help screw the pooch so he lives with it just like the |
NVMojo |
Jul-01-05 07:44 PM |
#53 |

blame |
Parche |
Jul-01-05 07:47 PM |
#55 |

Bygones |
zulchzulu |
Jul-01-05 09:39 PM |
#63 |

Locking |
iconoclastic cat |
Jul-01-05 10:08 PM |
#65 |

Why did you think we would have the Congress? |
dsc |
Jul-01-05 10:52 PM |
#67 |
 
Well |
DS9Voy |
Jul-01-05 11:40 PM |
#72 |

i can't believe you can't believe |
dajoki |
Jul-01-05 11:11 PM |
#68 |

If Nader wasn't on the ballot in Florida in 2000 |
bowens43 |
Jul-01-05 11:32 PM |
#70 |

I knew it would be god awful. But I had no idea that these thugs |
chieftain |
Jul-01-05 11:34 PM |
#71 |

Locking |
Moderator |
Jul-02-05 12:05 AM |
#75 |