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DEAN FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST / David Podvin
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DEAN FLEW OVER
THE CUCKOO’S NEST

By David Podvin

On Thursday, Howard Dean was excoriated at a meeting with Senate Democrats for saying Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people. They are a pretty monolithic party…. It's pretty much a white Christian party." The objective part of Dean’s statement was factual. Eighty-two percent of Republicans identify themselves as white Christians, which by any reasonable definition makes the GOP a pretty monolithic party. Insofar as whether Republicans are “not friendly to different kinds of people”, that is admittedly a subjective judgment which depends on whether one considers it friendly to intimidate African Americans from voting and prevent gays from getting married.

The current conflict is a reprise of the 2004 Democratic primary campaign during which the corporate-controlled media pressured Dean to end his candidacy as punishment for telling the truth. Now, the corporate-controlled Democratic establishment is pressuring Dean to end his chairmanship as punishment for telling the truth. If the past is prologue, Dean will soon be sidelined and those who liked the 2004 John Kerry campaign will love the 2006 Democratic congressional campaign…

If history serves as a guide, when the Democrats meekly point out that Republican policies are failures the right wing will respond by noting that liberals hate God and despise America and love fags. This inflection point in the campaign is where Dean would have aggressively counterattacked, but he apparently will be muzzled as the Democratic elite again depends on the public to reject gutter politics.

How many times must this horror movie be seen before we can correctly anticipate the outcome?

The greatest enemy of American liberalism is the Democratic Party establishment…

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  -DEAN FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST / David Podvin Caro  Jun-12-05 04:48 PM   #0 
  - "binary system" is crucial right now, we must choose assholes or cowards  yurbud   Jun-12-05 04:50 PM   #1 
  - The greatest enemy of American liberalism is the Democratic Party establis  bpilgrim   Jun-12-05 04:50 PM   #2 
  - While I don't think it will happen..  sendero   Jun-12-05 04:52 PM   #3 
  - "... the beginning of the end..."  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 05:00 PM   #12 
  - But you want us to talk about the issues?  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:12 PM   #23 
     - By namecalling  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 05:19 PM   #28 
        - No. "White Christian Party" isn't namecalling.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:57 PM   #33 
        - "...leadership..."  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 06:05 PM   #36 
           - Dean has a very real strategy- the DLC is interfering with it, though.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 06:23 PM   #38 
              - Boy  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 06:34 PM   #43 
                 - BTW, according to a Pew Research study, the GOP is comprised of 82%  NYCGirl   Jun-12-05 06:41 PM   #45 
                 - Tell me this  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 06:42 PM   #47 
                 - He showed that the GOP is not the party of diversity, even though they  NYCGirl   Jun-12-05 06:47 PM   #48 
                 - So?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 07:03 PM   #55 
                    - Sure is. He talked about all those things in the rest of that speech. NT  NYCGirl   Jun-12-05 07:12 PM   #58 
                    - Good  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 07:33 PM   #63 
                       - oh my god.  yodermon   Jun-12-05 09:22 PM   #69 
                          - Fell for what?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 09:26 PM   #70 
                             - I'm glad you're still hopeful.  janx   Jun-12-05 09:49 PM   #72 
                                - More hope  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-13-05 08:08 AM   #80 
                    - He was asked why an Asian should choose Dems over Repukes.  stickdog   Jun-12-05 11:15 PM   #74 
                 - He created news.  emperor72   Jun-13-05 10:44 AM   #87 
                 - The issue isn''t what Dean said, it's that he said anything at all.  Rageneau   Jun-12-05 07:05 PM   #56 
                    - Of course it's perjorative  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 07:35 PM   #64 
                       - This I don't understand. If I say the NAACP is pretty much  stickdog   Jun-12-05 11:18 PM   #75 
                          - Huh?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-13-05 08:30 AM   #81 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-05 06:49 PM   #50 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-12-05 07:38 PM   #65 
                 - The comparison isn't apt. If there was a party that was 90% "white Jews"  stickdog   Jun-12-05 11:12 PM   #73 
                 - You sound like one of the aides to a Dem Losership Council member  Larkspur   Jun-13-05 09:36 AM   #83 
        - In most of America who wants to admit that they are "Bankrupt and  KoKo01   Jun-12-05 07:16 PM   #60 
  - The Democratic party is nearly dead  tavalon   Jun-12-05 06:27 PM   #41 
     - Yep...it's on "life support" and we are hoping for a miracle to end Coma..  KoKo01   Jun-12-05 07:18 PM   #61 
  - This is so insightful.  Carolab   Jun-12-05 04:52 PM   #4 
  - Yes sir. n/t  Al-CIAda   Jun-12-05 05:15 PM   #25 
  - Couldn't agree more.  arewenotdemo   Jun-12-05 08:52 PM   #68 
  - Say it again  Vincardog   Jun-12-05 04:53 PM   #5 
  - the title is sort of amusing  glaeken777   Jun-12-05 04:56 PM   #8 
     - That's exactly what he's telling them.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 04:58 PM   #11 
     - LOL. Or of Nicholson saying "YOU WANT THE TRUTH?"  Carolab   Jun-12-05 05:09 PM   #22 
  - So well said.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 04:55 PM   #6 
  - nice article!  darboy   Jun-12-05 04:55 PM   #7 
  - Dean knew his job wouldn't be  zidzi   Jun-12-05 04:57 PM   #9 
  - Apparently, you are one of those who want to let  Mass   Jun-12-05 04:58 PM   #10 
  - The issues hardly matter anymore.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:01 PM   #13 
  - In that case, we have lost forever.  Mass   Jun-12-05 05:04 PM   #17 
  - That's what the media has turned into.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:06 PM   #19 
  - A power struggle?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 05:04 PM   #18 
  - Maybe you could elaborate on that. nt  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:08 PM   #20 
     - Look around  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 05:21 PM   #30 
        - And now you're attacking Dean for fighting them? nt  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:58 PM   #34 
           - Are you kidding?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 06:06 PM   #37 
              - I actually have no idea where you're going with any of this. nt  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 06:26 PM   #40 
                 - Why should you?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 06:35 PM   #44 
  - So you advocate a fight among Democrats??  Mass   Jun-12-05 05:14 PM   #24 
  - I don't think that's what I said...there.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 05:18 PM   #27 
     - Well you made my point,  Mass   Jun-12-05 05:23 PM   #31 
        - No, what I want is for the DLC to stop attacking Dean.  BullGooseLoony   Jun-12-05 06:01 PM   #35 
        - I cant either. Too bad that it is a pure invention.  Mass   Jun-12-05 06:25 PM   #39 
        - I'm SICK TO DEATH of chickenshit Dems attacking brave Dems for  stickdog   Jun-12-05 11:22 PM   #76 
           - Well, I am too, but one week after this story has started , it is time to  Mass   Jun-13-05 05:43 AM   #78 
  - So very true BGL, some just can't get it they keep talking about  candy331   Jun-12-05 07:27 PM   #62 
     - OK, feel free to make the day of the RNC.  Mass   Jun-13-05 05:44 AM   #79 
  - Oh, lord, I've been so alone in this wilderness  OldLeftieLawyer   Jun-12-05 05:03 PM   #16 
  - There's a difference between being alone in the wilderness and agoraphobia  cajones_II   Jun-12-05 06:54 PM   #51 
  - it is a minority these days who continue to bash our leaders  bpilgrim   Jun-12-05 07:13 PM   #59 
  - the democratic leadership, lets keep it straight  bpilgrim   Jun-12-05 07:09 PM   #57 
  - Recommended n/t  LizW   Jun-12-05 05:01 PM   #14 
  - They only attack the character of those that threaten them...  kentuck   Jun-12-05 05:02 PM   #15 
  - The Corporate Controlled Media Pressured Dean To End His Run?  cryingshame   Jun-12-05 05:08 PM   #21 
  - The DNC central committee just backed dean strongly.  lojasmo   Jun-12-05 05:16 PM   #26 
  - My sentiments,  zidzi   Jun-12-05 05:20 PM   #29 
  - Link to that news item if possible?  FredStembottom   Jun-12-05 06:34 PM   #42 
  - Here's a tinyurl for ya!  ImADeanDem   Jun-12-05 07:00 PM   #53 
  - Appreciated!  FredStembottom   Jun-12-05 11:32 PM   #77 
  - Here ya go....it was on CNN headline news too.  lojasmo   Jun-13-05 10:13 AM   #85 
  - The article sounds like hype to me.  janx   Jun-12-05 06:42 PM   #46 
  - HUGE KICK!  PassingFair   Jun-12-05 05:24 PM   #32 
  - I like the essay, but I'd like to know where Podvin is getting  janx   Jun-12-05 06:48 PM   #49 
     - Read more closely - he said it was the Democratic Senate caucus  kath   Jun-12-05 08:45 PM   #67 
        - Thank you!  janx   Jun-12-05 09:37 PM   #71 
  - It just hit me. Dean is beating them at their own game and they hate it!  BigBearJohn   Jun-12-05 06:57 PM   #52 
  - Bing!  cajones_II   Jun-12-05 07:02 PM   #54 
  - "but battered spouses exhibit infinitely more self-respect than Democratic  mandyky   Jun-12-05 07:42 PM   #66 
  - Wow, the conspiracy is even bigger than I thought.  Don1   Jun-13-05 08:35 AM   #82 
  - The Essense Of The Issues -RIGHT HERE!  demwing   Jun-13-05 10:02 AM   #84 
  - True, but somewhere I heard stats on Dean's standing  CWebster   Jun-13-05 10:44 AM   #86 
  - The Democratic Party's "establishment wing" will do what ever...  AX10   Jun-13-05 10:49 AM   #88 
  - Ben Nelson is horrible...  AX10   Jun-13-05 11:01 AM   #89 
  - ummm...."Dean was 'excoriated' "???  Norquist Nemesis   Jun-13-05 11:05 AM   #90 
 

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