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Reply #22: With all due respect to AW and PAK, [View All]

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Sick_of_Rethuggery (847 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jun-10-05 11:17 AM
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22. With all due respect to AW and PAK,
by 1994, there was absolutely only a ghost of a 60's liberal tendency left in the Dems. What had taken its place was the constant trumpetings of Rush and wannabes on the AM radio about the evil evil liberals. In other words, their work is relevant if Limbaugh's world of evildoers (aka liberals) really existed.

While there were some excesses in the liberal movement in the 60's (the last era of true liberalism), as there are with most incipient movements, the goals espoused by the larger movement (civil liberties for all) were as necessary and noble as any ever championed in human history.

If you look carefully, there has not been a political leader (other than Gore, really) in the last three decades, that has championed progressive causes. We are constantly debating only regressive measures (how much can we restrict personal freedoms? how much can we impose religion on science and in general? etc) and figuring how far back we need to turn the clock. The most staggering set-back is this Intelligent Design imposition -- echoes of the 15th 16th centuries, for shame.

This is the reason why I like the word progressive better than the word liberal -- progressive captures our ideals better than liberal does and in any case, I think the true opposite of conservative is really progressive. It also captures nicely the constitutional ideal "for a more perfect union" -- progressives want to look for ways to better ourselves and our lives: less war, less violence, more individual liberties and a more egalitarian society, progressively better.

There can really be no middle ground between those who want to overrule science and those who believe in science. There is only one correct position there. Similarly, there is no middle ground between people who want to impose their religion on to the public square and those who do not, etc. It is up to us educate people to get there, not forfeit the ground and retreat to a "middleground" that is really located back in the 16th century, simply because the political landscape is against us temporarily...
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  If we had a Democratic Party as far to the left as the Repubs are ..... kentuck  Jun-09-05 06:46 PM   #0 
   one reason is messaging  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-09-05 06:48 PM   #1 
   The 4th is that more people  jmaier   Jun-09-05 06:54 PM   #5 
   I think I missed the point  OhioBlues   Jun-09-05 06:51 PM   #2 
   It would look like my personal fantasy....  Jade Fox   Jun-09-05 06:52 PM   #3 
   Are the Repubs far to the right? Perhaps they are more centrist than we  jody   Jun-09-05 06:53 PM   #4 
   So, you think the Repubs are closer to the center ?  kentuck   Jun-09-05 06:57 PM   #8 
   Yes. n/t  jody   Jun-09-05 07:04 PM   #9 
      What issues do we need to move to the center ?  kentuck   Jun-09-05 07:10 PM   #10 
         Several but one that has cost us the presidency in the last two elections  jody   Jun-09-05 07:32 PM   #11 
            I have never seen any studies that suggest that anyone voted solely  OrwellwasRight   Jun-10-05 12:40 AM   #14 
               A quick google turned up one statement by GOP hack George Will  jody   Jun-10-05 01:16 AM   #16 
               That's not exactly true......  MsTryska   Jun-10-05 10:10 AM   #20 
                  I'm not sure that Geogre Will  OrwellwasRight   Jun-10-05 11:51 AM   #24 
                     Well...i live deep in the heart of a Red State...  MsTryska   Jun-10-05 11:54 AM   #25 
   So Which Constituancy Should We Throw to the Lions?  AndyTiedye   Jun-09-05 08:18 PM   #12 
   We don't throw any group to the lions. We can emphasize pro-choice  jody   Jun-10-05 12:30 AM   #13 
   The center keeps moving to the right...  formernaderite   Jun-10-05 10:44 AM   #21 
   public perception  wyldwolf   Jun-09-05 06:55 PM   #6 
   Actually, you're buying into the Republican rhetoric.  OrwellwasRight   Jun-10-05 12:47 AM   #15 
      no actually I'm not  wyldwolf   Jun-10-05 06:01 AM   #18 
         Try Wealth and Democracy by Kevin Phillips  OrwellwasRight   Jun-10-05 09:16 AM   #19 
         If you'll read my posts closer  wyldwolf   Jun-10-05 04:24 PM   #26 
         With all due respect to AW and PAK,  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Jun-10-05 11:17 AM   #22 
         We'd better find out before the next election...  kentuck   Jun-10-05 11:22 AM   #23 
            well, there are polls that suggest which direction Democrats ...  wyldwolf   Jun-10-05 04:26 PM   #27 
   Dem ugly isn't any prettier than Repub ugly  LittleClarkie   Jun-09-05 06:56 PM   #7 
   Because that's what the MSM and the bought-off DINOs keep saying  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-10-05 01:54 AM   #17 
 

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