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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:58 AM
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20. I don't work for a car company, so I guess I can't take that pay cut
I'm self-employed. Which is another way of saying I take my pay cut every day.

Do you enjoy generous benefits, Uncle Ray? Or any benefits at all? Cuz I don't. No health care, no insurance, no company pension, nada, nip, nothing. Get it?

As alluded to in my O.P., I do have close relatives, going back over generations, who have been proud to be UAW members AND proud to work for GM. GM fed and clothed a good chunk of my family for a long time. I've eaten plenty of meals that were paid for with a GM paycheck. I have a UAW jacket and about ten GM hats. I've seen things from a different vantage point than you. Up close and personal.

I understand your frustration with unions. Big unions, like big companies, like big government, like big anything, tend to become inefficient and bloated unless they are facing the disciplining effects of competition, and accountability for their power. However, the UAW does "rock" for protecting a good middle-class lifestyle for its members for many decades. Conversely it deserves blame for becoming greedy, demanding more than good economic analysis showed to be sustainable, and then assuming some magic fairy would fix things later. GM deserves ten lashes with the same whip. I said all this in my post. Take another read, if you missed it.

If you don't care about the outflow of capital from the US to foreign owners, then you don't care about the trade deficit. Is that true? Trade deficit and weak dollar don't bother you one bit? Capital is like water in a bathtub. Drain enough of it out without pouring more in, and one day you will no longer be taking baths.

Regarding your challenge, I've already more than met you halfway, Uncle Ray. Now it's time for *you* to pony up.

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  -Now that GM is planning their 25,000 job cut, I will never buy ncteechur  Jun-07-05 11:05 PM   #0 
  - Does anyone know of a handy list of foreign branded cars built in the US  Salviati   Jun-07-05 11:10 PM   #1 
  - They're everywhere.  Carolab   Jun-07-05 11:12 PM   #2 
  - Lotsa Hondas built in Marysville, OH  gmoney   Jun-07-05 11:13 PM   #3 
  - employees a lot of people in this part of ohio  WLKjr   Jun-08-05 01:39 PM   #29 
  - Many of the "foreign" auto makers have plants here in the US  ncteechur   Jun-07-05 11:13 PM   #5 
  - "US" built cars usually still have mostly Japanese parts  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 12:59 AM   #13 
     - Sure, but if GM doesn't make a car you want to buy...  Salviati   Jun-08-05 11:17 AM   #23 
  - The reason they're cutting is because people like you don't buy US cars  Psephos   Jun-07-05 11:13 PM   #4 
  - The reason they are cutting is greed--nothing to do with whether I  ncteechur   Jun-07-05 11:15 PM   #6 
  - Seems like the less people know, the louder they know it  Psephos   Jun-07-05 11:41 PM   #11 
  - Well stated.  Old and In the Way   Jun-08-05 12:05 AM   #12 
  - But... without the huge health care costs....  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 01:13 AM   #16 
     - I is a huge issue for corporations.  Old and In the Way   Jun-08-05 12:23 PM   #24 
     - Both the CEOs of Ford and GM are pushing for national catastrophic  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 05:52 PM   #33 
     - GM supported national healthcare during Clinton Admin  LiberalFighter   Jun-08-05 06:16 PM   #36 
     - But they wouldn't  hatrack   Jun-08-05 12:29 PM   #25 
     - GM put all their money on the wrong horse, hydrogen...  gmoney   Jun-08-05 04:08 PM   #32 
  - you just made my point for me, thanks.  uncle ray   Jun-08-05 01:22 AM   #17 
     - I don't work for a car company, so I guess I can't take that pay cut  Psephos   Jun-08-05 01:58 AM   #20 
     - either way, you seem to be proud to be reaping the union benefits.  uncle ray   Jun-08-05 03:45 AM   #21 
        - The unions are basically why we have a middle class  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 06:01 PM   #34 
     - I take it you don't bang metal at an auto plant  SemperEadem   Jun-08-05 12:48 PM   #26 
     - no i don't  uncle ray   Jun-08-05 01:56 PM   #30 
     - G R. Wagoner General Motors Chairman and CEO  LiberalFighter   Jun-08-05 06:30 PM   #38 
  - It's been pointed out by others on DU  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 01:07 AM   #14 
  - Was GM the same company then as it is now?  ncteechur   Jun-07-05 11:17 PM   #7 
  - Give me a fucking break...  driver8   Jun-07-05 11:24 PM   #10 
  - GM has more plants than those 3 combined.  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 01:23 AM   #18 
  - MIght it also just have a little something to do with business plans  Protagoras   Jun-08-05 01:09 AM   #15 
  - Bull. The reason they're cutting is A - Profit and B - they spent so  ET Awful   Jun-08-05 04:59 AM   #22 
  - I don't buy GM/Ford because the quality is poor and the vehicles can't  RunningFromCongress   Jun-08-05 02:17 PM   #31 
     - I think the perception of poor quality/design  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 06:05 PM   #35 
     - I seriously doubt that you have shopped enough to know  LiberalFighter   Jun-08-05 06:34 PM   #39 
  - Of course, I guess that is how GM will be able to offer  ncteechur   Jun-07-05 11:19 PM   #8 
  - I won't buy another one of those things. But I'm just one guy  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-05 11:22 PM   #9 
  - That's right, one person can't ever make a difference. Ever.  benevolent dictator   Jun-08-05 01:26 AM   #19 
  - I'd buy American if they made what I wanted, but they don't  hecate77   Jun-08-05 12:57 PM   #27 
  - If they don't cut the 25,000 you might not ever get the chance to buy  RGBolen   Jun-08-05 01:35 PM   #28 
  - I remember back in 1972/73 the oil crisis was on us then like now  candy331   Jun-08-05 06:29 PM   #37 

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