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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:38 PM
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7. This is so, so much a non-starter, it needs to die. It hurts us.
Yes, investigate. If culprits are found, yes, prosecute.

But the truth is that US elections never have been pure. Kennedy won from the mortuary turnout produced by the Daley machine and LBJ's men in Uvalde. Does that make his presidency illegitimate? Unless fraud can be proven -- in a way that leads to a criminal case, not just a statistician crying wolf -- soon after the vote, it leads to future election reform rather than to retroactive undoing of the results.

Democrats who are still beating this horse as a way to discredit Bush just make themselves look like fools, and by association, the rest of us. Yes, if you can find a way to identify and prosecute the culprits involved in any election fraud, go after it. That would be great, and would throw well-deserved egg on the GOP. But face the fact that nothing at this point will change the result of the 2004 election. That race has been called. That ship has sailed. That parrot is dead. Not sleeping. Dead. Like a fucking doornail. Stop acting like ninny's who have to replay a hundredth time the badly called play that caused their team to lose the big game. Start looking forward. Because the more you look back, the more you risk we'll lose 2006. And 2008.

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  -Poll: Is Bush's Presidency legitimate? TomClash  Jun-06-05 09:11 PM   #0 
  - I picked number 2. But for the butterfly ballot, Repug skulldugery  rzemanfl   Jun-06-05 09:17 PM   #1 
  - LOL!  TomClash   Jun-06-05 09:18 PM   #2 
  - John Dean saying he saw no evidence of it shook my perception a bit  LittleClarkie   Jun-06-05 09:20 PM   #3 
  - So John Dean is saying that he is unaware of anything Blackwell  Imagevision   Jun-09-05 05:28 PM   #108 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-05 09:27 PM   #4 
  - I'm not sure I could rise to the occasion  TomClash   Jun-06-05 09:30 PM   #6 
  - Use somebody else's equipment  Warpy   Jun-06-05 09:56 PM   #12 
  - Frankly, I'm afraid I DO know where that thing has been!  johnaries   Jun-06-05 11:59 PM   #27 
  - You mean you "bang" other women, but respectfully?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-07-05 12:14 PM   #65 
  - Won on illegitimate incumbency in 2004. Ergo, completely illegitimate. n/t  gulliver   Jun-06-05 09:28 PM   #5 
  - This is so, so much a non-starter, it needs to die. It hurts us.  eallen   Jun-06-05 09:38 PM   #7 
  - wrong  truth_is_extreme   Jun-06-05 09:44 PM   #9 
  - No, I didn't say that.  eallen   Jun-06-05 10:29 PM   #17 
  - you can consider Bush illegitimate  truth_is_extreme   Jun-07-05 12:30 AM   #36 
  - You can consider Bush whatever you want...  eallen   Jun-07-05 07:52 AM   #37 
  - Of course Bush is president  truth_is_extreme   Jun-07-05 08:22 AM   #38 
  - No one denies it?? Are you reading the same DU as me?  eallen   Jun-07-05 08:41 AM   #41 
  - It's incredible  truth_is_extreme   Jun-07-05 09:10 AM   #48 
     - I didn't miss any of that. It just doesn't mean what you think.  eallen   Jun-07-05 01:38 PM   #71 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-07-05 04:05 PM   #72 
           - ROTFLMAO. So if I don't swallow your notions whole...  eallen   Jun-07-05 06:06 PM   #74 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-07-05 10:39 PM   #77 
                 - You don't know squat about the Rove/Bush spin machine....  eallen   Jun-07-05 11:21 PM   #78 
                    - Blackwell was Bush and Cheney's campaign co-chair in Ohio.  LuPeRcALiO   Jun-07-05 11:58 PM   #80 
                    - Yep. Blackwell's involvement. Not Bush's or Cheney's.  eallen   Jun-08-05 07:53 AM   #84 
                       - "you still haven't shown that Blackwell committed a crime" -- Au Contraire  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-08-05 08:12 AM   #86 
                    - Score one for Rove indeed.  truth_is_extreme   Jun-08-05 06:51 AM   #81 
                       - I don't tell anyone to "move on." What I say is...  eallen   Jun-08-05 07:42 AM   #82 
                          - You, sir, have obviously not studied this subject  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-08-05 08:01 AM   #85 
                             - You're right. I just read what the accusers are saying here & elsewhere...  eallen   Jun-08-05 08:34 AM   #87 
                             - Why don't you do it?  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-08-05 09:37 AM   #88 
                             - and you are one of the people helping give honest citizens  truth_is_extreme   Jun-08-05 06:03 PM   #90 
                                - No. I have done the homework for MY claims....  eallen   Jun-08-05 09:45 PM   #95 
                                - Why are you so eager to defend Bush?  truth_is_extreme   Jun-09-05 05:52 AM   #96 
                                - I'm NOT defending Bush. I'm trying to make Democrats look better.  eallen   Jun-09-05 07:21 AM   #99 
                                - if you knew ANYTHING  truth_is_extreme   Jun-09-05 10:15 AM   #100 
                                - You don't get it.  eallen   Jun-09-05 03:15 PM   #102 
                                - You are defending a well-known election-thief  truth_is_extreme   Jun-09-05 03:54 PM   #104 
                             - thank you I was wondering  truth_is_extreme   Jun-08-05 06:00 PM   #89 
  - You keep saying "Bush is illegitimate" and only thing that does is  googly   Jun-08-05 08:09 PM   #92 
  - Since when are we LEADING with complaints about past elections?  Bridget Burke   Jun-07-05 08:36 AM   #39 
  - Maybe not you personally. But there are many who lead that way.  eallen   Jun-07-05 08:42 AM   #43 
  - "Get over the damn game"  LuPeRcALiO   Jun-07-05 08:48 AM   #44 
     - When you can identify the criminal & prove his crime, put him away.  eallen   Jun-07-05 08:56 AM   #45 
        - That's the idea.  LuPeRcALiO   Jun-07-05 08:57 AM   #46 
           - Except neither you nor anyone else are anywhere close to doing that.  eallen   Jun-07-05 10:20 AM   #52 
           - "Was Nixon Robbed? The legend of the stolen 1960 Presidential election"  Bridget Burke   Jun-07-05 10:49 AM   #56 
              - "GOP's failure to prove fraud doesn't mean that the election was clean."  eallen   Jun-07-05 11:18 AM   #59 
                 - Did any senators challenge the certification of JFKs  LuPeRcALiO   Jun-07-05 12:58 PM   #70 
           - Chicago needed mortuary votes in 1960 to win Illinois  googly   Jun-08-05 08:11 PM   #93 
  - If someone is driving a stolen car, does it make him the legitimate owner?  AntiCoup2K4   Jun-07-05 04:10 PM   #73 
  - How do you propose *WE* investigate election fraud?  pgh_dem   Jun-07-05 10:23 AM   #54 
     - Raising a stink is fine.  eallen   Jun-07-05 11:23 AM   #60 
        - That reasoning is circular.  pgh_dem   Jun-07-05 11:39 AM   #61 
           - No, it merely separates two issues.  eallen   Jun-07-05 11:51 AM   #63 
  - Yes, but what about the point about Kennedy?  Cynot   Jun-07-05 12:07 PM   #64 
  - I think we have plenty of other issues to hang Bush with. But,  johnaries   Jun-07-05 12:02 AM   #29 
     - What hurt us was not the fair election  dean2016   Jun-07-05 12:15 AM   #32 
        - the fraud had nothing to do with the poll workers...  johnaries   Jun-07-05 06:25 PM   #75 
  - #1 for sure  truth_is_extreme   Jun-06-05 09:38 PM   #8 
  - Mistake was made in the primary  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:02 PM   #13 
     - I wasn't for Kerry either  truth_is_extreme   Jun-06-05 10:18 PM   #15 
        - I live in Ohio  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:28 PM   #16 
        - Come to Ohio and count the votes  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:38 PM   #19 
        - There were other DU'ers who recounted Butler, Claremont and  pgh_dem   Jun-07-05 09:47 AM   #49 
        - The Ohio Supreme Court ruled no fraud  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:52 PM   #22 
           - The Supreme Court ruled no fraud??  truth_is_extreme   Jun-07-05 12:25 AM   #34 
  - Obviously stole the election in 2000  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-06-05 09:48 PM   #10 
  - 2000 recount study done  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:12 PM   #14 
     - I hope we have learned something since running William Jennings Bryan.  eallen   Jun-06-05 10:40 PM   #20 
     - Everything you said about 2004 is of no interest to me  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-06-05 11:22 PM   #23 
     - Recount study  dean2016   Jun-06-05 11:26 PM   #24 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-05 11:31 PM   #25 
        - Just because I like Dean over Kerry  dean2016   Jun-06-05 11:52 PM   #26 
           - Whatever you say  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-07-05 12:02 AM   #30 
        - Your selective analysis is remarkable  Awsi Dooger   Jun-07-05 12:26 AM   #35 
     - Please provide a link to the study about 2000...  Bridget Burke   Jun-07-05 08:39 AM   #40 
     - I have to contradict you (Dean2016) here....  dragonkeep   Jun-07-05 08:42 AM   #42 
  - USIG - U.S. Imposter Government  SophieZ   Jun-06-05 09:56 PM   #11 
  - Yes, I agree -- Ohio was obvious as hell & Blackwell's BS...  Imagevision   Jun-06-05 10:35 PM   #18 
  - I recounted the ballots in ohio  dean2016   Jun-06-05 10:43 PM   #21 
  - I'm glad Mr. Blackwell gave you the run of his office.  LuPeRcALiO   Jun-07-05 09:01 AM   #47 
  - Pay me to come to Ohio and count ballots, including the electronic ones  uppityperson   Jun-07-05 11:26 PM   #79 
  - There should be no open primary then in 08  dean2016   Jun-07-05 12:20 AM   #33 
  - He didn't win 2000  FreedomAngel82   Jun-07-05 12:01 AM   #28 
  - 2004 wasn't even close  dean2016   Jun-07-05 12:08 AM   #31 
     - 2004 *was* close. Kerry lost Ohio by only 118,599 votes; if he took Ohio..  KrazyKat   Jun-07-05 06:37 PM   #76 
  - Legally, this isn't a matter of opinion.  Lost Dutchman   Jun-07-05 09:58 AM   #50 
  - You're right and wrong  pgh_dem   Jun-07-05 10:16 AM   #51 
     - Your second point is correct...  Lost Dutchman   Jun-07-05 10:23 AM   #53 
        - When our legal system is corrupt  eowyn_of_rohan   Jun-08-05 07:52 AM   #83 
  - 2000 was stolen  Lowell   Jun-07-05 10:35 AM   #55 
  - No, but he's in. And that's all that matters.  HypnoToad   Jun-07-05 10:57 AM   #57 
  - No. n/t  GOPBasher   Jun-07-05 11:01 AM   #58 
  - 2 people here would shag Coulter? Yeech  Protagoras   Jun-07-05 11:42 AM   #62 
  - I HOPE THEY GOT THEIR PENICILLIN!! eom  ihelpu2see   Jun-07-05 12:17 PM   #66 
  - Damn! George W. Bush and Ann Coulter mentioned in the same thread!  KansDem   Jun-07-05 12:18 PM   #67 
  - no!!  dajoki   Jun-07-05 12:32 PM   #68 
  - The way I see it: no  ComerPerro   Jun-07-05 12:42 PM   #69 
  - Bush will never be seen as a legitimate president in my eyes...  DemGirl7   Jun-08-05 07:44 PM   #91 
  - and you have every right to think so....but for gosh sake don't  googly   Jun-08-05 08:15 PM   #94 
     - Thanks for the warning.  Bridget Burke   Jun-09-05 06:57 AM   #98 
  - it was all a miscalculation  radfringe   Jun-09-05 06:11 AM   #97 
  - First term no, second term yes  jsw_81   Jun-09-05 10:28 AM   #101 
  - Not legitimate in any year  Spectral   Jun-09-05 03:19 PM   #103 
  - Bushs Presidency is about as legal as booze was during the prohibition era  Old_Fart   Jun-09-05 04:01 PM   #105 
  - #s 3, 5 and 7  hippiegranny   Jun-09-05 04:04 PM   #106 
  - Not only NO  AlabamaYankee   Jun-09-05 04:34 PM   #107 

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