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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 03:35 PM
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14. The problem with that is
OK, Dennis was not going to be verry viable. He took the guy who would get him some delegates and who matched on MORE of the Core issues than anyone else.

What would you have liked him to do? Throw to Dean who is NOT the anti-war candidate he claims and is moderate at best? Throw to Kerry, that's as bad as Edwards on the war, doesn't match up as closely on cardinal issues, Kery didn't want him. Throw to Gep? Gep's worse than Kerry. Throw to Sharpton? Neither would be viable. Edwards has/had been talking up the parts of his beliefs that are closer to Dennis' than anyone else. Clark isn't in the race (though they are probably closest of all).

SO its either be blown out of Iowa completely or throw in with someone (not endorse or support, or let go on in other primaries) who could get him some votes to continue. This way he can take those people to the primaries, wield some influence on the platform and if its close be a dealmaker/concession getter come convention time.

my point in asking though, is both of them are Catholic.
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  -An election factor that hasn't been discussed yet: the Catholic Church! IndianaGreen  Jan-24-04 02:44 PM   #0 
  - Yeah, But Funny That the Debate Question On This Issue  Justice   Jan-24-04 02:47 PM   #1 
  - I think Kerry will  dsc   Jan-24-04 02:48 PM   #2 
  - I heard several Catholics on tv saying this warning  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 02:49 PM   #3 
  - The Catholic Church has no moral sway anymore  Raven   Jan-24-04 02:59 PM   #4 
  - Catholic voting behavior is now virtually...  Davis_X_Machina   Jan-24-04 03:03 PM   #6 
  - I was told my some catholics that it is payback time  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 03:31 PM   #12 
  - I'm a Catholic and the Church "holds moral sway" with me and many  DemBones DemBones   Jan-24-04 06:51 PM   #67 
  - It holds sway for me too...  Tinoire   Jan-25-04 01:44 AM   #86 
  - Speaking as a Catholic...  Alex146   Jan-24-04 03:00 PM   #5 
  - This is true, but it also means that Kerry won't be able to appeal to them  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 03:06 PM   #7 
  - One of my longtime dear friends  pacifictiger   Jan-24-04 03:11 PM   #9 
     - Last time I checked  Valjean   Jan-24-04 07:02 PM   #68 
  - What about Clark and Kucinich  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:09 PM   #8 
  - I like and support Dennis because he is the most liberal of the candidates  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 03:24 PM   #10 
  - The problem with that is  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:35 PM   #14 
  - Making a choice on viability is a political choice  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 03:42 PM   #17 
     - I disagree  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:53 PM   #21 
     - The war is not in the past, it is still ongoing!  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 03:59 PM   #29 
        - I KNOW its still going on  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:07 PM   #35 
     - Kucinich did NOT back Edwards  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-25-04 12:12 PM   #90 
  - If you can't trust Dk, how can you trust a general?  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 03:39 PM   #16 
     - I worked for generals before  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 03:54 PM   #22 
     - I agree with your comment on Generals but  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:00 PM   #30 
        - Wes Clark believes in Wes Clark  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 04:08 PM   #36 
        - Kerry has been consistent, clark is all over the place  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:25 PM   #43 
           - If Kerry is elected, Iraq will become a Democratic war  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 04:27 PM   #45 
              - Nonsense - they would argue it the same way as Nam  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:38 PM   #53 
                 - We will see when the DC police has to arrest peace demonstrators  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 05:39 PM   #66 
        - You know, I love posting this  mikehiggins   Jan-24-04 11:46 PM   #73 
           - Clark can't make up his mind what he wants to do  Namvet04   Jan-25-04 12:52 AM   #78 
     - There IS logic in it  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:54 PM   #24 
        - He sold out and was always special to me until then  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:08 PM   #37 
           - NO, Dean would have been the worst choice (short of Lieberman)  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:16 PM   #39 
           - While I still support Kucinich, as I do all other anti-IWR candidates  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 04:25 PM   #42 
           - Dennis will be my candidate til the day he drops out  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:36 PM   #52 
           - I do not understand you, dean is against the war  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:26 PM   #44 
              - While Dean supported Biden Lugar and acting against Iraq  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:34 PM   #50 
                 - Dean is not the one that changes postions it is clark  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:49 PM   #57 
                    - Dean  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:57 PM   #59 
                       - Did he ever speak highly of bush and the war like Clark?  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 05:07 PM   #64 
                          - Dean was never in the military so he never had allegiance to  DemBones DemBones   Jan-24-04 07:07 PM   #69 
                             - Serve several tours in nam and was not fired like Clark or have  Namvet04   Jan-25-04 12:54 AM   #79 
                                - lol  lazarus   Jan-25-04 01:05 AM   #82 
           - If he had gone to Dean,  diamondsoul   Jan-24-04 04:28 PM   #46 
              - He is like us all, will make the best deal for us, but you hit it  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:32 PM   #49 
  - Bishop and Cardinal will take them on  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 03:34 PM   #13 
     - I don't  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:37 PM   #15 
        - It will be interesting to watch their power or lack of it  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 03:43 PM   #18 
        - They won't kick any Catholics out  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:55 PM   #25 
           - Not what they said and I challenge them like you have  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:01 PM   #32 
        - Never happen on our core issues  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 03:49 PM   #19 
           - but it can though  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:58 PM   #27 
              - This is not a religious board so we should be careful, however  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:05 PM   #34 
                 - The word of God against Gays is overblown, and subject to interpertation  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:13 PM   #38 
                    - If your with people they will show you in both  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:17 PM   #40 
                       - It's not as hardline as many think it is  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:20 PM   #41 
                          - They would agree with you  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:29 PM   #47 
                             - That's not what it says  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:40 PM   #55 
                                - Sound like to most it is no big deal  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:53 PM   #58 
                                   - What of contradictions within the Bible though  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:59 PM   #61 
                                      - I know they have but never raise in on here  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 05:13 PM   #65 
  - Catholics don't listen to the pope but they like Catholic candidates  MIMStigator   Jan-24-04 03:28 PM   #11 
  - I agree, many Catholics think the pope is far, far too conservative  Woodstock   Jan-25-04 12:31 AM   #76 
  - the pope will be dead by the election  Bombtrack   Jan-24-04 03:50 PM   #20 
  - Hate to tell you  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:01 PM   #31 
  - Well this pope helped us end the cold war, so I call that "being involved"  Bombtrack   Jan-24-04 04:32 PM   #48 
     - Sounds like the primary season is on for the pope's job  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:34 PM   #51 
     - He was involved in defeating communism because he is Polish  youngred   Jan-24-04 04:44 PM   #56 
        - Do the cardinals go and cook pancakes and things like that to  Namvet04   Jan-24-04 04:58 PM   #60 
           - LOL  youngred   Jan-24-04 05:02 PM   #63 
  - Unless Cardinal Cipriani of Lima, Peru becomes the next Pope  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 04:02 PM   #33 
  - People have been thinking John Paul II was about to die ever since  DemBones DemBones   Jan-24-04 04:39 PM   #54 
  - The Catholic Church  secondtermdenier   Jan-24-04 03:54 PM   #23 
  - Problems  youngred   Jan-24-04 03:59 PM   #28 
  - I disagree.  leyton   Jan-24-04 03:57 PM   #26 
  - More on Kerry.  David Zephyr   Jan-24-04 05:00 PM   #62 
  - Kerry did such a great job pursuing the cocaine trail in Panama....  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 10:46 PM   #70 
  - Yikes  Tinoire   Jan-24-04 11:20 PM   #71 
     - Don't forget that Clinton gave us Plan Colombia  IndianaGreen   Jan-24-04 11:34 PM   #72 
        - I won't & don't. Plan Columbia horrified me. Clinton is not my hero  Tinoire   Jan-25-04 01:33 AM   #85 
           - Excellent post, Tinoire  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-04 01:48 AM   #87 
              - Amen to that  youngred   Jan-25-04 04:50 PM   #91 
  - What about the Pope's view on the war?  dansolo   Jan-25-04 12:15 AM   #74 
  - The Pope is Anti-war  youngred   Jan-25-04 04:50 PM   #92 
     - And the Pope warned of the spiritual repercussions if US went to war  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-04 04:56 PM   #93 
  - the Catholic Church in MA is not like this  cap   Jan-25-04 12:27 AM   #75 
  - UPDATE: Pope calls on media to reject contraception, homosexuality  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-04 12:48 AM   #77 
  - all the dems are pro-choice  Cocoa   Jan-25-04 12:57 AM   #80 
  - No, they are not all pro-choice. Edwards is certainly not!  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-04 01:00 AM   #81 
     - the Pope wouldn't like Edwards's abortion position  Cocoa   Jan-25-04 01:16 AM   #84 
  - A number of the candidates have a Catholic background.  Constitution   Jan-25-04 01:09 AM   #83 
  - do we have to go through this every time a Catholic is up for election?  nemo137   Jan-25-04 02:01 AM   #88 
     - There has been a significant erosion in the separation of church and state  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-04 03:44 AM   #89 

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