You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #80: Very unlikely to have been "Poppy"... [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:33 PM
Response to Original message
80. Very unlikely to have been "Poppy"...
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 05:39 PM by evermind
... if you believe the following info, often mentioned in connection with Bush and Watergate:

The Plumbers were created at the demand of Henry Kissinger, who told Nixon that something had to be done to stop leaks in the wake of the "Pentagon Papers" affair of 1971. But if the Plumbers were called into existence by Kissinger, they were funded through a mechanism set up by Kissinger clone George Bush. A salient fact about the White House Special Investigations Unit (or Plumbers) of 1971-72 is that the money used to finance it was provided by George Bush's business partner and lifelong intimate friend, Bill Liedtke, the president of Pennzoil. Bill Liedtke was a regional finance chairman for the Nixon campaigns of 1968 and 1972, and he was one of the most successful, reportedly exceeding his quota by the largest margin among all his fellow regional chairmen. Liedtke says that he accepted this post as a personal favor to George Bush. In 1972, Bill Liedtke raised $700,000 in anonymous contributions, including what appears to have been a single contribution of $100,000 that was laundered through a bank account in Mexico. According to Harry Hurt, part of this money came from Bush's bosom crony Robert Mosbacher, now Secretary of Commerce. According to one account, "two days before a new law was scheduled to begin making anonymous donations illegal, the $700,000 in cash, checks, and securities was loaded into a briefcase at Pennzoil headquarters and picked up by a company vice president, who boarded a Washington- bound Pennzoil jet and delivered the funds to the Committee to Re- elect the President at ten o'clock that night."

These Mexican checks were turned over first to Maurice Stans of the CREEP, who transferred them in turn to Watergate burglar Gordon Liddy. Liddy passed them on to Bernard Barker, one of the Miami station Cubans arrested on the night of the final Watergate break- in. Barker was actually carrying some of the cash left over from these checks when he was apprehended. When Barker was arrested, his bank records were subpoenaed by the Dade County, Florida district attorney, Richard E. Gerstein, and were obtained by Gerstein's chief investigator, Martin Dardis. As Dardis told Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post, about $100,000 in four cashier's checks had been issued in Mexico City by Manuel Ogarrio Daguerre, a prominent lawyer who handled Stans' money-laundering operation there. Liedtke eventually appeared before three grand juries investigating the different aspects of the Watergate affair, but neither he nor Pennzoil was ever brought to trial for the CREEP contributions. But it is a matter of more than passing interest that the money for the Plumbers came from one of Bush's intimates and at the request of Bush, a member of the Nixon Cabinet from February,

(quote from: George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Chapter -XII- Chairman George in Watergate at )

Whether you make those specific connections or not, only if you believe GHWB was utterly clean as far as plumber and dodgy financial connections would it make sense to cast him as Deep Throat, who famously told Woodstein to "follow the money".

So I think, anyway.

Edit: Oops! Forgot to cite!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
  -Mark Felt - crime lord Poppy Bush's fall guy. ClassWarrior  May-31-05 11:49 AM   #0 
  - I just posted this on another Felt thread, but it's worth looking at  whistle   May-31-05 11:51 AM   #1 
  - Bob Woodward, US military intelligence agent Operation Mockingbird  EVDebs   May-31-05 02:53 PM   #34 
  - Ask Bob or Carl only they know for sure, or are they talking yet? edit:  gordianot   May-31-05 11:51 AM   #2 
  - Poppy Bush was the real Deep Throat. Everyone else around him were  blm   May-31-05 11:55 AM   #3 
  - So you think Poppy was a hero?  11cents   May-31-05 12:01 PM   #4 
  - Hero? No. Self serving egotist? Yes! n/t  napi21   May-31-05 12:03 PM   #6 
  - No, he's an evil, vengeful crime lord.  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 12:03 PM   #7 
  - Think about it. blm's stating Bush engineered the removal of Nixon.  Octafish   May-31-05 12:40 PM   #18 
  - Uh, perhaps, but  Eloriel   May-31-05 09:34 PM   #59 
  - You've got to be kidding. Bush was clearing the way for his own 1980 run.  blm   May-31-05 01:16 PM   #28 
  - Don't forget the Slam Dunk BS!  Geek_Girl   May-31-05 09:00 PM   #53 
  - Only if you think what DeLay did to Gingrich was heroic.  tsuki   May-31-05 03:41 PM   #36 
  - Ditto.  fooj   May-31-05 12:06 PM   #8 
  - What proof is there it back this up?  Freddie Stubbs   May-31-05 09:00 PM   #52 
  - There Is Not A Shred Of Proof Backing The Assertion, Mr. Stubbs  The Magistrate   May-31-05 09:10 PM   #55 
  - It's simply a theory - as has been all speculation on DT...  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 09:10 PM   #56 
  - What circumstantial evidence?  Freddie Stubbs   May-31-05 09:24 PM   #57 
     - The DU expert on the subject is Octafish, I'm told.  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 09:28 PM   #58 
  - The whole BFEE story of manipulations from WW2 to today. It fits their MO  blm   Jun-01-05 07:17 AM   #68 
  - Agreed.  zann725   Jun-01-05 12:00 AM   #65 
  - I don't think it was Felt. How many people really ever heard of him?  napi21   May-31-05 12:02 PM   #5 
  - Very, very valid point. n/t  Stand and Fight   May-31-05 12:16 PM   #10 
  - I'd heard of hiim.  11cents   May-31-05 12:41 PM   #19 
  - Anybody who studied Watergate knows him  Nederland   May-31-05 01:30 PM   #30 
  - Felt may or may not be DT, bush* SR may or may not by DT,  fob   May-31-05 04:21 PM   #37 
  - Right about one thing  Nederland   May-31-05 05:02 PM   #38 
  - You believe everything that is printed in the press?  fob   May-31-05 05:14 PM   #39 
     - The debate is over  Nederland   Jun-01-05 09:22 AM   #70 
        - "Move along, there's nothing to see here..."  ClassWarrior   Jun-01-05 09:51 AM   #71 
        - Yeah. I'm not yet convinced by the media story but now that nederland  fob   Jun-01-05 10:20 AM   #73 
           - Missing the point  Nederland   Jun-01-05 01:45 PM   #76 
              - Not missing the point. The ability to trust Woodward IS the point.  fob   Jun-01-05 04:11 PM   #77 
              - And please don't call them the "MSM."  ClassWarrior   Jun-01-05 04:16 PM   #78 
        - I am wrong? That's pretty forward of you considering I haven't said  fob   Jun-01-05 10:18 AM   #72 
  - The Mark guy would have been more credible if the entire right wing  higher class   May-31-05 09:06 PM   #54 
     - Huh? The rightwing is DEMONIZING Felt -- have been all day  Eloriel   May-31-05 09:43 PM   #60 
        - I saw part of (is the name?) Connected, then Dan Abrams, and the  higher class   May-31-05 09:56 PM   #61 
  - YOU fail to understand or read history  nomatrix   Jun-01-05 12:53 AM   #67 
  - I had heard of him  theboss   Jun-01-05 10:46 AM   #74 
  - any information to support this?  imenja   May-31-05 12:14 PM   #9 
  - Any information to support the theory that the Bush** family are a pit...  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 12:19 PM   #11 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:20 PM   #12 
        - Note the text in the body of the OP: "Discuss."  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 12:23 PM   #13 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:26 PM   #14 
              - ROFLMAO.  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 12:30 PM   #15 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:37 PM   #16 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:40 PM   #17 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:43 PM   #20 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:50 PM   #21 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:51 PM   #22 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 12:53 PM   #23 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 01:01 PM   #24 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 01:08 PM   #26 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 01:13 PM   #27 
                                      - To be clear, I responded to questions about "evidence" by saying...  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 01:19 PM   #29 
                                         - If you were trying to prompt a discussion ....  11cents   May-31-05 01:39 PM   #31 
                                            - So theories can't be the basis of a discussion?  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 03:00 PM   #35 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-05 01:05 PM   #25 
  - Damn, it's seems I always miss the action.  cat_girl25   May-31-05 02:41 PM   #32 
  - LOL  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 02:48 PM   #33 
  - I guess you struck a cord (although I did get to hear it).  JRob   May-31-05 06:20 PM   #47 
  - I was just thinking the same thing. Damn!  JRob   May-31-05 06:16 PM   #46 
  - Case closed.  Placebo   May-31-05 05:25 PM   #40 
  - I see. So you believe corporate journalist Bob Woodward?  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 05:29 PM   #41 
     - ...  Placebo   May-31-05 05:36 PM   #42 
        - Mullen & Co.'s Robert F. Bennett LOL !  EVDebs   May-31-05 06:00 PM   #43 
        - You're wrong!  name not needed   May-31-05 06:01 PM   #44 
        - ...  Placebo   May-31-05 07:59 PM   #50 
        - So, because I asked if YOU trust the man, you've assumed I don't?  ClassWarrior   May-31-05 07:30 PM   #49 
  - Just a question...  fooj   May-31-05 06:12 PM   #45 
  - PPS: Doesn't this stink of yet another brilliant MEDIA DIVERSION?  JRob   May-31-05 06:24 PM   #48 
  - Hey, where's my wallet!  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-31-05 08:47 PM   #51 
     - LOL!  JRob   May-31-05 10:00 PM   #62 
  - Absurd.  Zynx   May-31-05 10:20 PM   #63 
  - Threads like this make us look like loons. nt  smartvoter   May-31-05 10:27 PM   #64 
  - The TRUE loons are the Media who push "Truths" they know are lies.  zann725   Jun-01-05 12:05 AM   #66 
  - Speak for yourself.  ClassWarrior   Jun-01-05 07:31 AM   #69 
     - Of course not. But that street runs both ways. nt  smartvoter   Jun-01-05 11:44 AM   #75 
  - one problem with the poppy theory  onenote   Jun-01-05 04:45 PM   #79 
  - Very unlikely to have been "Poppy"...  evermind   Jun-01-05 05:33 PM   #80 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC