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| 87. Well said ! Here Idaho it's the only way to have... |
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A productive conversation about politics and you find that even a lot of the folks that are initially cavalier about anything "liberal" in nature end up agreeing with you.
Once you get them see how completely misdirected and diversionary our "passion" is for these smokescreen issues, there's really no opposition and you can help to focus them on things that need their attention.
Unfortunately there are way too many who can not get themselves to believe that this is all anything but "business as usual" and that next year, next election everything will be different. They are "too busy" to devote the time to be "educated" about the finer points of what's going on in the country or government... these are the "moderate majority that never vote" and justify it by convincing themselves (each other) that it doesn't matter if they do anyway. It will be interesting to watch the paradigm shift if (when) they start drafting their kids.
I do agree with the poster that we can not wait, that we need to do any and everything NOW (including things that have drawn some snipes and criticism) and hopefully it's not already too late...
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| -Wanting a leftie president is why America hates Democrats |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 12:43 PM |
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No |
Atman |
May-21-05 12:45 PM |
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I second that. NO! |
MisterLiberal |
May-23-05 01:18 PM |
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I just love lectures like this |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
May-21-05 12:51 PM |
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Davis was an Idiot |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:49 PM |
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May-23-05 09:47 AM |
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John Kerry was the centrist candidate. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-21-05 12:52 PM |
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only in the upside down world of DU |
paulk |
May-21-05 04:07 PM |
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really? |
Warren Stupidity |
May-21-05 04:17 PM |
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May-21-05 04:36 PM |
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That doesn't answer his question. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 04:39 PM |
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May-21-05 05:14 PM |
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I said nothing about "extreme" |
paulk |
May-21-05 05:24 PM |
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This is your exact quote. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 08:22 PM |
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May-21-05 09:02 PM |
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He ran as a centrist during the election, and thats why he |
delhurgo |
May-22-05 06:57 AM |
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May-23-05 08:03 AM |
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Oh thanks for that! |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 04:32 PM |
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So exactly what were Kerry's "extremist" positions? |
last1standing |
May-21-05 04:38 PM |
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I never said Kerry was an extremist |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 04:44 PM |
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Check post #55. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 04:49 PM |
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By "We" |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-22-05 08:32 AM |
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I was speaking of the Democratic party as a whole. |
last1standing |
May-22-05 11:29 PM |
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Mainstream means something different |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-23-05 03:36 AM |
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Both socially and fiscally, most DUers are in the mainstream. |
last1standing |
May-23-05 03:45 AM |
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But then |
CWebster |
May-23-05 05:45 AM |
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...I think I like this guy. n/t |
JRob |
May-21-05 05:29 PM |
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So please do set out all of Kerry's leftwing positions |
Warren Stupidity |
May-21-05 09:58 PM |
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May-21-05 10:28 PM |
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May-23-05 09:54 AM |
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Voted YEA on the IWR |
Hippo_Tron |
May-21-05 05:01 PM |
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well, if supporting NCLB makes one a centrist, |
paulk |
May-21-05 06:10 PM |
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Ted Kennedy worked with Orrin Hatch on NCLB |
FourStarDemocrat |
May-21-05 09:06 PM |
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George Bush muttered no child's behind left |
Warren Stupidity |
May-21-05 10:01 PM |
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Okay |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-22-05 11:43 PM |
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Those aren't leftwing, they're common sense. |
last1standing |
May-23-05 12:26 AM |
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Who said Kerry is an extreme left winger? |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-23-05 12:40 AM |
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If you read up thread you'll find the answer to that. |
last1standing |
May-23-05 12:45 AM |
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Yeah, if you define moderate as "supported by the majority" |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-23-05 01:14 AM |
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No problems here. |
last1standing |
May-23-05 01:33 AM |
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really? where? |
paulk |
May-23-05 12:13 PM |
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He got my money my time and my vote EOM. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-23-05 06:52 AM |
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oh yes, it's REALLY liberal to: |
darboy |
May-23-05 09:27 AM |
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Like our nice middle of the road president? Thanks for the DLC memo. |
mahina |
May-21-05 12:54 PM |
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You're correct |
MisterLiberal |
May-23-05 01:27 PM |
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Errr...I think Kerry already tried your plan.... |
formernaderite |
May-21-05 12:56 PM |
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There are a few more instances of Republican triangulation I can think of. |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 12:57 PM |
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More dems eating their young! |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 01:40 PM |
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er |
salin |
May-21-05 12:57 PM |
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here are a couple of hints ... |
welshTerrier2 |
May-21-05 12:59 PM |
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May-21-05 12:59 PM |
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May-21-05 01:23 PM |
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Curious as to your take on Dean as |
salin |
May-21-05 01:02 PM |
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Dean is perfect |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:10 PM |
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Thanks for your responses |
salin |
May-21-05 02:49 PM |
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Waiting for elections is TOO late |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:58 PM |
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Well said ! Here Idaho it's the only way to have... |
JRob |
May-21-05 06:27 PM |
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Some of the actions from washington |
salin |
May-21-05 06:34 PM |
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Let's hope so. And let's hope that it motivates them to seek out real... |
JRob |
May-21-05 07:56 PM |
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Clinton won because he campained like an economic populist |
Warpy |
May-21-05 01:03 PM |
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Wish to hell he had governed as one. |
eridani |
May-21-05 06:58 PM |
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Clinton also attacked first |
jmowreader |
May-21-05 07:19 PM |
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I agree with the poster and I'm trying to live up to that image |
IChing |
May-21-05 01:05 PM |
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May-21-05 01:06 PM |
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Where does this guy come from, anyways? |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 01:08 PM |
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So I guess you agree with him, LoZoccolo? |
NYCGirl |
May-21-05 01:16 PM |
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Somewhat, by default. |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 01:22 PM |
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So you agree with him because you disagree with what you think I might |
NYCGirl |
May-21-05 01:38 PM |
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No. |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 01:45 PM |
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yep there is so much hatred for democrats |
salin |
May-21-05 01:16 PM |
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EXACTLY |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 01:56 PM |
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Another point |
salin |
May-21-05 02:30 PM |
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What happens in the interim? |
JRob |
May-21-05 06:51 PM |
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More than ever we need to be working endlessly |
salin |
May-21-05 07:05 PM |
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Wow, you have a lot more faith in what these bastards may or may not do... |
JRob |
May-21-05 07:53 PM |
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from his web site |
IChing |
May-21-05 02:53 PM |
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And your point is? |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 03:00 PM |
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You are not just a gun owner but a dealer in automatic arms |
IChing |
May-21-05 08:27 PM |
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I think that's what it said, right? |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 08:50 PM |
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Do you think you convince anyone of anything... |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 05:24 PM |
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Thank you ! ! ! |
JRob |
May-21-05 07:22 PM |
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May-21-05 01:14 PM |
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As I've asked before, just WHO is it you're calling "middle"? |
TahitiNut |
May-21-05 01:15 PM |
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Well said! n/t |
FourStarDemocrat |
May-21-05 09:12 PM |
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May-21-05 01:32 PM |
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How much more of a centrist do you exactly want? |
Vladimir |
May-21-05 01:35 PM |
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I disagree about the Republicans playing to their base. |
LoZoccolo |
May-21-05 01:51 PM |
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Yeah but the base gets the message |
Vladimir |
May-21-05 02:21 PM |
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Perhaps I wasn't clear |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 01:54 PM |
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Let's get ranked voting, then we'll see what the breakdown |
GreenPartyVoter |
May-21-05 01:46 PM |
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I am SO with you |
Mojambo |
May-21-05 01:54 PM |
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Which is why we need to start at the municipal and state levels |
GreenPartyVoter |
May-21-05 01:57 PM |
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Some facts (sorry about that) |
ProudDad |
May-21-05 01:49 PM |
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I agree |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:03 PM |
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I think we agree |
ProudDad |
May-21-05 02:14 PM |
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Of course we have common ground! |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:29 PM |
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Complete bullshit ! America Loves Democrats!! |
LibertyorDeath |
May-21-05 02:10 PM |
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May-21-05 02:14 PM |
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Seems like a fine post to me even if the guy is wrong |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 02:28 PM |
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Hmm...interesting user name you got there. Any relation? |
TheGoldenRule |
May-21-05 02:22 PM |
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Bush is a moderate who leads from the center? |
cindyw |
May-21-05 02:23 PM |
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You haven't defined ANY terms... |
Q |
May-21-05 03:07 PM |
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Wow, you exposed my secret plot |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 03:17 PM |
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The very fact that you use the term 'far left'... |
Q |
May-21-05 03:33 PM |
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Reread my post slower this time |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 03:48 PM |
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Exactly. Our first priority is winning, and to do that we're going to have |
mtnsnake |
May-21-05 10:17 PM |
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Mr. Bush, |
larissa |
May-21-05 03:58 PM |
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Simple Answer? |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 04:08 PM |
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Would I have read it...? uh... yeah.. |
larissa |
May-21-05 04:15 PM |
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And yet this administration is further to the right than any other. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 04:00 PM |
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You haven't been watching Hillary have you? |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 04:19 PM |
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I have been watching Hillary. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 04:36 PM |
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Thanks for an insightful post! |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 04:58 PM |
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We should never stop talking about right and wrong. |
last1standing |
May-21-05 05:08 PM |
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I agree completely |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 05:52 PM |
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We need someone who can convey a Vision, |
salin |
May-21-05 05:30 PM |
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today's middle is yesterday's extreme right . . . |
OneBlueSky |
May-21-05 04:47 PM |
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Donkey before the cart |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 05:08 PM |
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Yes, but |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-22-05 08:34 AM |
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Why is winning national elections so important? |
murdoch |
May-21-05 05:11 PM |
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er... nice in theory... but we are rather being overrun by extremists |
salin |
May-21-05 05:41 PM |
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You forgot one thing |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 06:00 PM |
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I'm still not convinced that Kerry (or Gore) lost the "election"... |
JRob |
May-21-05 05:38 PM |
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I don't want to win by a margin I want a damn landslide |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 05:54 PM |
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PRISON ! ! ! For the lot, but I'd love the landslide too... |
JRob |
May-21-05 08:05 PM |
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America doesn't hate Democrats. Republicans hate Democrats. |
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May-21-05 06:58 PM |
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Bush makes repugs look bad because he's the worst Prez we've ever had! |
Imagevision |
May-21-05 08:18 PM |
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nope...off the mark here |
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May-21-05 08:30 PM |
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Very interesting POV here Michael. |
mzmolly |
May-21-05 09:25 PM |
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What I don't understand |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 09:53 PM |
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I understood what you were trying to say.... |
last1standing |
May-21-05 09:59 PM |
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My pleasure |
Michael_Bush |
May-21-05 10:06 PM |
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It's DU. It's how it's done. So many moderates and centrists are driven |
mzmolly |
May-21-05 10:01 PM |
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Who says I am a moderate? |
Michael_Bush |
May-22-05 12:29 AM |
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Well, around here .... your a Moderate. |
mzmolly |
May-22-05 11:00 AM |
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May-21-05 09:25 PM |
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Awwww! I LOVED it at the DNC |
Crunchy Frog |
May-21-05 09:46 PM |
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Don't forget Ahnold |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-05 12:04 AM |
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One word: |
Stand and Fight |
May-21-05 10:02 PM |
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America hates copy-cats.... |
unkachuck |
May-21-05 11:29 PM |
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The worst that could happen? |
Michael_Bush |
May-22-05 12:17 AM |
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Don't you get it! Bush came across as a moderate to most people |
demo dutch |
May-23-05 02:03 PM |
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Normally I welcome newbies, but... |
zann725 |
May-22-05 12:20 AM |
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My screen name IS my name, so live with it. |
Michael_Bush |
May-22-05 12:32 AM |
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um....the Dems tried 'moving to the middle' |
Blue_Tires |
May-22-05 11:25 PM |
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if only it were so. . . |
LuPeRcALiO |
May-22-05 11:40 PM |
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Moving to the Middle... |
CWebster |
May-23-05 05:40 AM |
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Moving to the middle = enabling the fascist takeover |
Swamp Rat |
May-23-05 05:54 AM |
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Yes but... |
sendero |
May-23-05 06:49 AM |
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You're right! America wants a Leftie President.... |
Bridget Burke |
May-23-05 07:08 AM |
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This "logic" is why dems lose |
depakid |
May-23-05 07:37 AM |
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Interesting quotes to pull |
Michael_Bush |
May-23-05 09:51 AM |
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im sorry, but i disagree, Americans didnt vote for Kerry |
Senator Lamb |
May-23-05 09:44 AM |
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Sorry, but by the very definition of middle, |
MadHound |
May-23-05 09:22 AM |
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so... |
darboy |
May-23-05 09:30 AM |
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I must have watched a different Repuklican National Convention |
Gilligan |
May-23-05 09:43 AM |
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What I am trying to make you believe is |
Michael_Bush |
May-23-05 10:13 AM |
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after the bipartison support for the bankruptcy bill |
xchrom |
May-23-05 10:05 AM |
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Your not going to like this |
Michael_Bush |
May-23-05 10:25 AM |
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the protests in the streets were huge |
xchrom |
May-23-05 07:35 PM |
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I reject the premise of your original post. |
antiwarwarrior |
May-23-05 12:57 PM |
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I don't think I get your point |
LittleClarkie |
May-23-05 01:31 PM |
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mmm....could you give me an example of a "far-left |
MsTryska |
May-23-05 01:38 PM |
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What difference does it make? The vote is fixed. |
ArkDem |
May-23-05 01:48 PM |
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Michael, good post, but hate your last name. em |
Mike L |
May-23-05 01:58 PM |
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The post's premise is wrong. The ultra-right controls the Republican |
smartvoter |
May-23-05 01:58 PM |
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Good Question! |
Michael_Bush |
May-23-05 03:29 PM |
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Replies: |
smartvoter |
May-23-05 06:26 PM |
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wrong...it's politicians and the media who drive the muddlers |
noiretblu |
May-23-05 06:39 PM |
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