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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. Check post #55.
"only in the upside down world of DU is Kerry a centrist." -paulk.

I also believe your analogy to be quite incorrect. We are debating the face of the Democratic party. You have claimed that we need to move to the "center" and I say we are already in the middle but need to get that message out better.


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  -Wanting a leftie president is why America hates Democrats Michael_Bush  May-21-05 12:43 PM   #0 
  - No  Atman   May-21-05 12:45 PM   #1 
  - I second that. NO!  MisterLiberal   May-23-05 01:18 PM   #167 
  - I just love lectures like this  nothingshocksmeanymore   May-21-05 12:51 PM   #2 
  - Davis was an Idiot  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:49 PM   #45 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-05 09:47 AM   #159 
  - John Kerry was the centrist candidate.  Warren Stupidity   May-21-05 12:52 PM   #3 
  - only in the upside down world of DU  paulk   May-21-05 04:07 PM   #55 
     - really?  Warren Stupidity   May-21-05 04:17 PM   #58 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 04:36 PM   #62 
        - That doesn't answer his question.  last1standing   May-21-05 04:39 PM   #64 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 05:14 PM   #74 
           - I said nothing about "extreme"  paulk   May-21-05 05:24 PM   #75 
              - This is your exact quote.  last1standing   May-21-05 08:22 PM   #100 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 09:02 PM   #104 
                 - He ran as a centrist during the election, and thats why he  delhurgo   May-22-05 06:57 AM   #128 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-05 08:03 AM   #151 
     - Oh thanks for that!  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 04:32 PM   #60 
     - So exactly what were Kerry's "extremist" positions?  last1standing   May-21-05 04:38 PM   #63 
     - I never said Kerry was an extremist  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 04:44 PM   #65 
        - Check post #55.  last1standing   May-21-05 04:49 PM   #67 
        - By "We"  Donald Ian Rankin   May-22-05 08:32 AM   #129 
           - I was speaking of the Democratic party as a whole.  last1standing   May-22-05 11:29 PM   #133 
              - Mainstream means something different  Donald Ian Rankin   May-23-05 03:36 AM   #142 
                 - Both socially and fiscally, most DUers are in the mainstream.  last1standing   May-23-05 03:45 AM   #143 
                 - But then  CWebster   May-23-05 05:45 AM   #145 
        - ...I think I like this guy. n/t  JRob   May-21-05 05:29 PM   #77 
     - So please do set out all of Kerry's leftwing positions  Warren Stupidity   May-21-05 09:58 PM   #112 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 10:28 PM   #120 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-05 09:54 AM   #161 
     - Voted YEA on the IWR  Hippo_Tron   May-21-05 05:01 PM   #70 
     - well, if supporting NCLB makes one a centrist,  paulk   May-21-05 06:10 PM   #85 
        - Ted Kennedy worked with Orrin Hatch on NCLB  FourStarDemocrat   May-21-05 09:06 PM   #106 
        - George Bush muttered no child's behind left  Warren Stupidity   May-21-05 10:01 PM   #114 
           - Okay  WildEyedLiberal   May-22-05 11:43 PM   #135 
              - Those aren't leftwing, they're common sense.  last1standing   May-23-05 12:26 AM   #137 
                 - Who said Kerry is an extreme left winger?  WildEyedLiberal   May-23-05 12:40 AM   #138 
                 - If you read up thread you'll find the answer to that.  last1standing   May-23-05 12:45 AM   #139 
                    - Yeah, if you define moderate as "supported by the majority"  WildEyedLiberal   May-23-05 01:14 AM   #140 
                    - No problems here.  last1standing   May-23-05 01:33 AM   #141 
                    - really? where?  paulk   May-23-05 12:13 PM   #165 
                 - He got my money my time and my vote EOM.  Warren Stupidity   May-23-05 06:52 AM   #148 
     - oh yes, it's REALLY liberal to:  darboy   May-23-05 09:27 AM   #155 
  - Like our nice middle of the road president? Thanks for the DLC memo.  mahina   May-21-05 12:54 PM   #4 
  - You're correct  MisterLiberal   May-23-05 01:27 PM   #168 
  - Errr...I think Kerry already tried your plan....  formernaderite   May-21-05 12:56 PM   #5 
  - There are a few more instances of Republican triangulation I can think of.  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 12:57 PM   # 
  - More dems eating their young!  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 01:40 PM   #24 
  - er  salin   May-21-05 12:57 PM   #6 
  - here are a couple of hints ...  welshTerrier2   May-21-05 12:59 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 12:59 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 01:23 PM   #19 
  - Curious as to your take on Dean as  salin   May-21-05 01:02 PM   #9 
  - Dean is perfect  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:10 PM   #35 
     - Thanks for your responses  salin   May-21-05 02:49 PM   #44 
        - Waiting for elections is TOO late  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:58 PM   #47 
        - Well said ! Here Idaho it's the only way to have...  JRob   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #87 
           - Some of the actions from washington  salin   May-21-05 06:34 PM   #88 
              - Let's hope so. And let's hope that it motivates them to seek out real...  JRob   May-21-05 07:56 PM   #97 
  - Clinton won because he campained like an economic populist  Warpy   May-21-05 01:03 PM   #10 
  - Wish to hell he had governed as one.  eridani   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #91 
  - Clinton also attacked first  jmowreader   May-21-05 07:19 PM   #93 
  - I agree with the poster and I'm trying to live up to that image  IChing   May-21-05 01:05 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 01:06 PM   #12 
  - Where does this guy come from, anyways?  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 01:08 PM   #13 
     - So I guess you agree with him, LoZoccolo?  NYCGirl   May-21-05 01:16 PM   #16 
     - Somewhat, by default.  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 01:22 PM   #18 
        - So you agree with him because you disagree with what you think I might  NYCGirl   May-21-05 01:38 PM   #23 
           - No.  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 01:45 PM   #25 
     - yep there is so much hatred for democrats  salin   May-21-05 01:16 PM   #17 
     - EXACTLY  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 01:56 PM   #31 
        - Another point  salin   May-21-05 02:30 PM   #43 
           - What happens in the interim?  JRob   May-21-05 06:51 PM   #89 
              - More than ever we need to be working endlessly  salin   May-21-05 07:05 PM   #92 
                 - Wow, you have a lot more faith in what these bastards may or may not do...  JRob   May-21-05 07:53 PM   #96 
     - from his web site  IChing   May-21-05 02:53 PM   #46 
        - And your point is?  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 03:00 PM   #48 
        - You are not just a gun owner but a dealer in automatic arms  IChing   May-21-05 08:27 PM   #101 
           - I think that's what it said, right?  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 08:50 PM   #103 
        - Do you think you convince anyone of anything...  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 05:24 PM   #76 
           - Thank you ! ! !  JRob   May-21-05 07:22 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 01:14 PM   #14 
  - As I've asked before, just WHO is it you're calling "middle"?  TahitiNut   May-21-05 01:15 PM   #15 
  - Well said! n/t  FourStarDemocrat   May-21-05 09:12 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 01:29 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 01:32 PM   #21 
  - How much more of a centrist do you exactly want?  Vladimir   May-21-05 01:35 PM   #22 
  - I disagree about the Republicans playing to their base.  LoZoccolo   May-21-05 01:51 PM   #28 
  - Yeah but the base gets the message  Vladimir   May-21-05 02:21 PM   #38 
  - Perhaps I wasn't clear  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 01:54 PM   #29 
  - Let's get ranked voting, then we'll see what the breakdown  GreenPartyVoter   May-21-05 01:46 PM   #26 
  - I am SO with you  Mojambo   May-21-05 01:54 PM   #30 
     - Which is why we need to start at the municipal and state levels  GreenPartyVoter   May-21-05 01:57 PM   #32 
  - Some facts (sorry about that)  ProudDad   May-21-05 01:49 PM   #27 
  - I agree  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:03 PM   #33 
     - I think we agree  ProudDad   May-21-05 02:14 PM   #36 
        - Of course we have common ground!  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:29 PM   #42 
  - Complete bullshit ! America Loves Democrats!!  LibertyorDeath   May-21-05 02:10 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 02:14 PM   #37 
  - Seems like a fine post to me even if the guy is wrong  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 02:28 PM   #41 
  - Hmm...interesting user name you got there. Any relation?  TheGoldenRule   May-21-05 02:22 PM   #39 
  - Bush is a moderate who leads from the center?  cindyw   May-21-05 02:23 PM   #40 
  - You haven't defined ANY terms...  Q   May-21-05 03:07 PM   #49 
  - Wow, you exposed my secret plot  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 03:17 PM   #50 
     - The very fact that you use the term 'far left'...  Q   May-21-05 03:33 PM   #51 
        - Reread my post slower this time  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 03:48 PM   #52 
           - Exactly. Our first priority is winning, and to do that we're going to have  mtnsnake   May-21-05 10:17 PM   #119 
  - Mr. Bush,  larissa   May-21-05 03:58 PM   #53 
  - Simple Answer?  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 04:08 PM   #56 
     - Would I have read it...? uh... yeah..  larissa   May-21-05 04:15 PM   #57 
  - And yet this administration is further to the right than any other.  last1standing   May-21-05 04:00 PM   #54 
  - You haven't been watching Hillary have you?  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 04:19 PM   #59 
     - I have been watching Hillary.  last1standing   May-21-05 04:36 PM   #61 
        - Thanks for an insightful post!  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 04:58 PM   #69 
           - We should never stop talking about right and wrong.  last1standing   May-21-05 05:08 PM   #71 
           - I agree completely  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 05:52 PM   #81 
           - We need someone who can convey a Vision,  salin   May-21-05 05:30 PM   #78 
  - today's middle is yesterday's extreme right . . .  OneBlueSky   May-21-05 04:47 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 04:56 PM   #68 
  - Donkey before the cart  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 05:08 PM   #72 
  - Yes, but  Donald Ian Rankin   May-22-05 08:34 AM   #130 
  - Why is winning national elections so important?  murdoch   May-21-05 05:11 PM   #73 
  - er... nice in theory... but we are rather being overrun by extremists  salin   May-21-05 05:41 PM   #80 
  - You forgot one thing  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 06:00 PM   #83 
  - I'm still not convinced that Kerry (or Gore) lost the "election"...  JRob   May-21-05 05:38 PM   #79 
  - I don't want to win by a margin I want a damn landslide  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 05:54 PM   #82 
     - PRISON ! ! ! For the lot, but I'd love the landslide too...  JRob   May-21-05 08:05 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 06:04 PM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 06:18 PM   #86 
  - America doesn't hate Democrats. Republicans hate Democrats.  Jade Fox   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 07:34 PM   #95 
  - Bush makes repugs look bad because he's the worst Prez we've ever had!  Imagevision   May-21-05 08:18 PM   #99 
  - nope...off the mark here  Desertrose   May-21-05 08:30 PM   #102 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 09:04 PM   #105 
  - Very interesting POV here Michael.  mzmolly   May-21-05 09:25 PM   #108 
  - What I don't understand  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 09:53 PM   #111 
     - I understood what you were trying to say....  last1standing   May-21-05 09:59 PM   #113 
     - My pleasure  Michael_Bush   May-21-05 10:06 PM   #117 
     - It's DU. It's how it's done. So many moderates and centrists are driven  mzmolly   May-21-05 10:01 PM   #115 
        - Who says I am a moderate?  Michael_Bush   May-22-05 12:29 AM   #125 
           - Well, around here .... your a Moderate.  mzmolly   May-22-05 11:00 AM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 09:25 PM   #109 
  - Awwww! I LOVED it at the DNC  Crunchy Frog   May-21-05 09:46 PM   #110 
  - Don't forget Ahnold  LittleClarkie   May-23-05 12:04 AM   #136 
  - One word:  Stand and Fight   May-21-05 10:02 PM   #116 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 10:10 PM   #118 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 10:45 PM   #121 
  - America hates copy-cats....  unkachuck   May-21-05 11:29 PM   #122 
  - The worst that could happen?  Michael_Bush   May-22-05 12:17 AM   #123 
  - Don't you get it! Bush came across as a moderate to most people  demo dutch   May-23-05 02:03 PM   #174 
  - Normally I welcome newbies, but...  zann725   May-22-05 12:20 AM   #124 
  - My screen name IS my name, so live with it.  Michael_Bush   May-22-05 12:32 AM   #126 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-22-05 12:54 AM   #127 
  - um....the Dems tried 'moving to the middle'  Blue_Tires   May-22-05 11:25 PM   #132 
  - if only it were so. . .  LuPeRcALiO   May-22-05 11:40 PM   #134 
  - Moving to the Middle...  CWebster   May-23-05 05:40 AM   #144 
  - Moving to the middle = enabling the fascist takeover  Swamp Rat   May-23-05 05:54 AM   #146 
  - Yes but...  sendero   May-23-05 06:49 AM   #147 
  - You're right! America wants a Leftie President....  Bridget Burke   May-23-05 07:08 AM   #149 
  - This "logic" is why dems lose  depakid   May-23-05 07:37 AM   #150 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-05 08:05 AM   #152 
  - Interesting quotes to pull  Michael_Bush   May-23-05 09:51 AM   #160 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-05 08:46 AM   #153 
  - im sorry, but i disagree, Americans didnt vote for Kerry  Senator Lamb   May-23-05 09:44 AM   #158 
  - Sorry, but by the very definition of middle,  MadHound   May-23-05 09:22 AM   #154 
  - so...  darboy   May-23-05 09:30 AM   #156 
  - I must have watched a different Repuklican National Convention  Gilligan   May-23-05 09:43 AM   #157 
  - What I am trying to make you believe is  Michael_Bush   May-23-05 10:13 AM   #163 
  - after the bipartison support for the bankruptcy bill  xchrom   May-23-05 10:05 AM   #162 
  - Your not going to like this  Michael_Bush   May-23-05 10:25 AM   #164 
     - the protests in the streets were huge  xchrom   May-23-05 07:35 PM   #178 
  - I reject the premise of your original post.  antiwarwarrior   May-23-05 12:57 PM   #166 
  - I don't think I get your point  LittleClarkie   May-23-05 01:31 PM   #169 
  - mmm....could you give me an example of a "far-left  MsTryska   May-23-05 01:38 PM   #170 
  - What difference does it make? The vote is fixed.  ArkDem   May-23-05 01:48 PM   #171 
  - Michael, good post, but hate your last name. em  Mike L   May-23-05 01:58 PM   #172 
  - The post's premise is wrong. The ultra-right controls the Republican  smartvoter   May-23-05 01:58 PM   #173 
  - Good Question!  Michael_Bush   May-23-05 03:29 PM   #175 
     - Replies:  smartvoter   May-23-05 06:26 PM   #176 
  - wrong...it's politicians and the media who drive the muddlers  noiretblu   May-23-05 06:39 PM   #177 
 

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