| 44. I don't think I verified anything ... |
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I know that Kerry had a fundraising team that worked their tail off after Iowa and that's where the big money came from during the campaign.
Whether anyone is withholding donations now is beyond me. I doubt that anyone is.
PDA is working to raise their own money and it's my understanding that they want to be inclusive of everyone, so I was stunned when they sent out that letter and not happy about it.
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| -Let's get it all out at once. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 02:17 PM |
#0 |
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Think of it this way, madfloridian |
CWebster |
Apr-29-05 02:38 PM |
#1 |
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Dean said this before the party took a stand. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 02:52 PM |
#2 |
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Did you ever get the feeling some people supported him |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-29-05 05:56 PM |
#27 |
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Just a wee bit of proof that homework was not done. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 02:56 PM |
#3 |
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If this stuff bothers you so much . . . |
goodhue |
Apr-29-05 02:58 PM |
#4 |
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Because others just posted Hayden's letter. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 03:03 PM |
#5 |
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Indeed. Not sweating the smear vets got us in trouble in August |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-29-05 05:59 PM |
#28 |
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Dean is NOT EXEMPT from having his feet held to the fire. nt |
CWebster |
May-02-05 06:07 AM |
#169 |
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And because the anger is directed to a guy who was against the war. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 03:04 PM |
#6 |
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That's garbage, madfloridian |
CWebster |
Apr-30-05 08:18 AM |
#92 |
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Responsible for what? |
janx |
Apr-30-05 01:40 PM |
#112 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-29-05 03:17 PM |
#9 |
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sorry |
goodhue |
Apr-29-05 03:31 PM |
#10 |
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however |
goodhue |
Apr-29-05 03:43 PM |
#13 |
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Thanks for posting. |
d_b |
Apr-29-05 07:25 PM |
#36 |
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Wingers seem especially susceptible to propaganda. |
ieoeja |
Apr-29-05 03:15 PM |
#7 |
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"Leftwingers and Rightwingers... |
Jai4WKC08 |
Apr-29-05 04:26 PM |
#20 |
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I think the wingnuts on the left and the right should go bowling some time |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-29-05 06:01 PM |
#29 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-29-05 08:13 PM |
#49 |
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I think you're absolutely right about that LittleClarkie. |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-29-05 08:53 PM |
#54 |
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As the French say, "Les extrèmes se touchent." n/t |
QC |
May-01-05 08:13 AM |
#127 |
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Okay,follow this logic: |
CWebster |
Apr-30-05 08:24 AM |
#93 |
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Your use of capital letters and your phrasing is disingenuous. |
janx |
Apr-30-05 01:50 PM |
#114 |
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The criminal makes restitution for the crime |
CWebster |
May-02-05 06:18 AM |
#170 |
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That country is TRASHED. |
janx |
May-02-05 07:14 AM |
#174 |
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Why dwell on it? dean knows his own mind, and is also aware of the |
blm |
Apr-29-05 03:17 PM |
#8 |
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I dwell because of the danger. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 03:38 PM |
#11 |
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heh...send them to |
blm |
Apr-29-05 04:03 PM |
#17 |
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Isn't that one of the new DU Groups? |
Jai4WKC08 |
Apr-29-05 04:49 PM |
#21 |
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I don't understand |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 03:39 PM |
#12 |
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There is actually a more subtle issue going on here |
goodhue |
Apr-29-05 03:53 PM |
#14 |
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Then petition the appropriate people. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 05:11 PM |
#22 |
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That's certainly true |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 07:13 PM |
#34 |
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Mad... don't let it bother you too much |
Texas_Kat |
Apr-29-05 03:59 PM |
#15 |
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Some of the folks pushing for his election had unrealistic ideas |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-29-05 06:05 PM |
#30 |
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His opponent's supporters are jealous of Dean's popularity |
Jacobin |
Apr-29-05 04:03 PM |
#16 |
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That's absurd. You just revised history again. |
blm |
Apr-29-05 05:17 PM |
#23 |
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my my my |
Jacobin |
Apr-29-05 05:24 PM |
#24 |
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Nerve, nothing. You revised history. I corrected you with the facts and |
blm |
Apr-29-05 05:36 PM |
#26 |
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Ha Ha Ha Ha! It's you blm who revises history |
Larkspur |
May-02-05 03:05 PM |
#199 |
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Did you hit a nerve? Oh my! |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 07:44 PM |
#37 |
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What does Madfloridian need to learn? Please tell me. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 07:56 PM |
#39 |
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Sorry, but... |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 07:59 PM |
#40 |
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No, I never attacked Kerry. I don't do that. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 08:02 PM |
#42 |
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Most of them are hardened anti-wars... |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 08:09 PM |
#46 |
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Our party is on fragile ground right now. We are tearing each other apart |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 08:13 PM |
#48 |
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I agree |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 08:17 PM |
#52 |
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Absolutely, and I have heard you say this before, MadFL. |
tsuki |
Apr-30-05 09:47 AM |
#97 |
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Thanks, and I appreciated your note. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 11:35 AM |
#101 |
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With friends like these, who needs enemies? Chairman Dean is |
tsuki |
Apr-30-05 03:42 PM |
#121 |
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And ... you'd think people HERE would realize that? |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 02:58 PM |
#198 |
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YOU need to apologize for your slander of Madfloridian, NOW |
Eloriel |
Apr-29-05 08:55 PM |
#55 |
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See post below |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 11:44 PM |
#65 |
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Question: I heard many Kerry supporters were withholding donations. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 08:00 PM |
#41 |
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I don't think I verified anything ... |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 08:06 PM |
#44 |
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I wish Jacobin had not posted that, but he was referring to post primary. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 08:08 PM |
#45 |
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Yes, you did |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 08:12 PM |
#47 |
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P.S. |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 08:14 PM |
#50 |
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B-L not significantly different than IWR??? |
darboy |
Apr-29-05 08:16 PM |
#51 |
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You use BUSH'S statemnet, try using the FACTS. Name ONE provision in B-L |
blm |
Apr-30-05 10:15 AM |
#98 |
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BL specifically mentions |
darboy |
May-01-05 10:28 AM |
#132 |
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That's just not accurate. The whole point about weapons inspectors was IN |
blm |
May-01-05 03:37 PM |
#159 |
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read my post again |
darboy |
May-01-05 04:03 PM |
#160 |
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His opponent's supporters are jealous of Dean's popularity |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 06:46 PM |
#31 |
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Exactly! |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-29-05 07:50 PM |
#38 |
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Nope. |
janx |
Apr-30-05 12:10 PM |
#107 |
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It was quiet at the time |
WesDem |
May-01-05 06:59 PM |
#163 |
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I wish you had not started this. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 08:04 PM |
#43 |
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Amen! |
Upfront |
Apr-30-05 09:10 AM |
#95 |
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There are a lot of people |
Vektor |
May-01-05 08:37 PM |
#167 |
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I am sympathetic to your position |
Tom Rinaldo |
Apr-29-05 04:04 PM |
#18 |
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Thank you Tom. Wonderfully put. |
shance |
Apr-29-05 04:20 PM |
#19 |
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Immediate pull-out would be disasterous at this point. US break,US fix |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Apr-29-05 05:33 PM |
#25 |
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BRAV and O! |
mzmolly |
Apr-29-05 07:22 PM |
#35 |
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Thanks. I know it's a difficult issue and it has taken me a while to |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Apr-30-05 09:27 PM |
#124 |
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Then the Democratic politicians can start, at the very least |
CWebster |
May-01-05 06:17 AM |
#126 |
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What did you think about the Iraq elections? |
Tom Rinaldo |
May-01-05 08:21 AM |
#128 |
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How Iraqis feel about US supported, CIA installed, former |
CWebster |
May-02-05 06:46 AM |
#171 |
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Dear letter writers and others who are targeting chairman Dean: |
tnlefty |
Apr-29-05 06:59 PM |
#32 |
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I'll second that |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Apr-29-05 07:01 PM |
#33 |
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Tom Hayden's letter could NOT have been more respectful |
welshTerrier2 |
Apr-29-05 08:18 PM |
#53 |
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Hayden's letter shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation in |
dogman |
Apr-29-05 09:52 PM |
#57 |
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"further division and strife in the Democratic Party" |
welshTerrier2 |
Apr-29-05 11:50 PM |
#68 |
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Most of his points are correct. |
dogman |
Apr-30-05 08:36 AM |
#94 |
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How do you propose we do this???? |
bvar22 |
Apr-30-05 12:36 AM |
#72 |
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I'm referring to America. |
dogman |
Apr-30-05 08:17 AM |
#91 |
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I've Just Spent About 15 Mins. Checking Out These Posts And |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-29-05 09:49 PM |
#56 |
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Most of the people who are BIG Clark supporters seem to be the most argume |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 10:25 PM |
#59 |
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It doesn't look like your going to get any answer. |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-30-05 12:51 AM |
#73 |
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I'm Making My Amends... |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-30-05 12:09 PM |
#106 |
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I Just Posted My Apology Under "madfloridian" |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-30-05 12:06 PM |
#105 |
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Thank you |
WesDem |
Apr-30-05 01:39 PM |
#111 |
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I just read through the thread again |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 10:47 PM |
#60 |
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Feeling like a hit and run victim? |
dogman |
Apr-29-05 10:51 PM |
#61 |
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What's it all about, Ralphie? |
WesDem |
Apr-29-05 10:54 PM |
#62 |
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I've been keeping an eye on this thread |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-29-05 11:27 PM |
#63 |
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ChiciB1, I tried to make this a good sensible post. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 11:37 PM |
#64 |
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This was a good post, madfloridian |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Apr-29-05 11:48 PM |
#66 |
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Thanks. |
madfloridian |
Apr-29-05 11:49 PM |
#67 |
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I agree. I really appreciate your making that post. |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-30-05 12:06 AM |
#69 |
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You're welcome. |
Nikki Stone 1 |
Apr-30-05 09:25 PM |
#123 |
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I might add, MF, if you don't mind |
WesDem |
Apr-30-05 12:11 AM |
#70 |
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Okay... |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-30-05 12:01 PM |
#104 |
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Thank you for your acknowledgement |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-30-05 12:44 PM |
#108 |
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Thank You Too... |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-30-05 02:29 PM |
#117 |
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I can certainly relate to having a "down" day with respect to politics |
Crunchy Frog |
Apr-30-05 02:47 PM |
#118 |
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Thanks, the "stress" club is growing, I fear. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:26 PM |
#110 |
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Anyone who thinks we can just up and leave Iraq is irresponsible! |
mandyky |
Apr-29-05 09:59 PM |
#58 |
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Anyone who thinks that we should stay in Iraq is irresponsible. |
bvar22 |
Apr-30-05 12:55 AM |
#74 |
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Amen. |
CWebster |
May-02-05 07:03 AM |
#172 |
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Who wants to stay in Iraq? |
janx |
May-02-05 07:09 AM |
#173 |
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So Iraq will be a haven of peace if/when we leave? |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 11:09 AM |
#180 |
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Dean and Kucinich were NOT "the only ones speaking out" |
Jai4WKC08 |
Apr-30-05 07:50 AM |
#90 |
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Not to start anything here but Dennis Kucinich has consistently been |
bobthedrummer |
Apr-30-05 12:13 AM |
#71 |
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mad ...is this a forum for Howard Dean |
Blue_Roses |
Apr-30-05 12:58 AM |
#75 |
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Not really. |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 01:12 AM |
#77 |
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Actually I am thinking that we are the party in trouble. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:21 AM |
#80 |
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Who is withholding support? |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 01:30 AM |
#83 |
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I may post about it later, or maybe not. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:39 AM |
#85 |
| -
Wow! |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:16 AM |
#79 |
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From the Hayden letter |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 01:07 AM |
#76 |
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Then direct the petition to the ones who can do something about it. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:15 AM |
#78 |
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Why do you assume they aren't doing that? |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 01:23 AM |
#81 |
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Because they are all addressing the petition to Howard Dean. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:29 AM |
#82 |
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If you want the party to take a particular position on an issue-- |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 01:36 AM |
#84 |
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Well, then send him another petition. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:40 AM |
#86 |
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Dean has never been a Kucinich; I think, however, some imagined him so. |
Clarkie1 |
Apr-30-05 01:42 AM |
#87 |
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Touche |
kerrygoddess |
Apr-30-05 02:10 AM |
#88 |
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Your guy Kerry-- |
eridani |
Apr-30-05 02:59 AM |
#89 |
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Nothings wrong with that... |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 01:25 PM |
#145 |
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You'd think Tom Hayden wouldn't be so politically naive, wouldn't you? NT |
NYCGirl |
Apr-30-05 11:25 AM |
#100 |
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Very few who had much to do with Howard Dean thought so. n/t |
janx |
Apr-30-05 01:52 PM |
#115 |
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I never liked Tom Hayden 35 years ago; I don't like him now. |
tsuki |
Apr-30-05 09:33 AM |
#96 |
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I agreed with much of what Heyden said, but he is being arrogant. |
Tom Rinaldo |
Apr-30-05 11:20 AM |
#99 |
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Yes, Tom, you are right. It is being arrogant. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 11:37 AM |
#102 |
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I think that's now clearly true |
WesDem |
Apr-30-05 11:57 AM |
#103 |
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Two views of changing the party. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 01:23 PM |
#109 |
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"...NOT the Democratic Party as it is now organized and controlled."
" |
bloom |
Apr-30-05 02:28 PM |
#116 |
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They won't give it a chance. |
madfloridian |
Apr-30-05 02:51 PM |
#119 |
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Progressives took control of the Democratic Party in 1972 |
Tom Rinaldo |
Apr-30-05 02:58 PM |
#120 |
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Tom Hayden is full of it. |
cestpaspossible |
Apr-30-05 01:42 PM |
#113 |
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Dean is the best DNC chairman I've ever seen. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-30-05 03:56 PM |
#122 |
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I agree. |
mzmolly |
Apr-30-05 10:11 PM |
#125 |
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Anyone supporting the Occupation has metaphorical blood on his/her hands |
kenzee13 |
May-01-05 08:36 AM |
#129 |
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Most Democrats aren't "anti-war" in the broadest, pacifist sense. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-01-05 08:49 AM |
#130 |
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Who said our Country shouldn't defend itself against direct attack? |
kenzee13 |
May-01-05 09:12 AM |
#131 |
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I was totally against the invasion. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-02-05 09:48 AM |
#175 |
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"Kerry supporters" referred to the many, many of activists including Green |
kenzee13 |
May-02-05 01:28 PM |
#196 |
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That is a lie....you can be responsible and NOT in favor of occupation. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 10:43 AM |
#133 |
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I am not the only one who heard this would happen. It is planned. Link |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 11:31 AM |
#134 |
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That explains a lot. |
janx |
May-01-05 11:50 AM |
#135 |
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Something there about Hoyer as well.. Not sure what it means. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 11:53 AM |
#136 |
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It's a political power struggle. |
janx |
May-01-05 11:55 AM |
#137 |
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Being waged against a man who was against going into Iraq. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 11:58 AM |
#138 |
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The purpose in the link you posted is clear. |
janx |
May-01-05 12:01 PM |
#139 |
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Much about the primaries there. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 12:04 PM |
#140 |
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Don't waste your time on that bitterness. |
janx |
May-01-05 12:37 PM |
#143 |
| -
You are right. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 01:09 PM |
#144 |
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And BY a man WHO VOTED TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-02-05 09:50 AM |
#176 |
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They don't know what |
zidzi |
May-01-05 12:18 PM |
#141 |
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YEP. n/t |
janx |
May-01-05 12:34 PM |
#142 |
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There's two sides to every story... |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 01:32 PM |
#146 |
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What is it we don't know? What is the other side to the story? |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 01:40 PM |
#148 |
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You've made some allegations... |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 01:48 PM |
#150 |
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I did mention a group here locally. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 01:58 PM |
#154 |
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Kerry Goddess, you are exactly right. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 06:23 PM |
#162 |
| -
Maybe, but those |
zidzi |
May-01-05 03:08 PM |
#157 |
| -
My email response to PDA on this issue |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 01:35 PM |
#147 |
| -
Nice email. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 01:45 PM |
#149 |
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But he didn't oppose in the first place |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 01:51 PM |
#152 |
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I think my OP was constructive. It was fairly done. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 01:57 PM |
#153 |
| -
It will not affect DNC fundraising |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 08:03 PM |
#164 |
| -
Are you saying they are not happy with me? Or what it triggered in general |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 02:04 PM |
#155 |
| -
Is Hayden upset because we are upset? |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 05:51 PM |
#161 |
| -
My understanding |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 08:06 PM |
#166 |
| -
They are not happy |
kerrygoddess |
May-01-05 08:04 PM |
#165 |
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Very good, kerrygoddess nt |
WesDem |
May-01-05 03:35 PM |
#158 |
| -
GOD I HATE THE CHIMP!!! |
Gyre |
May-01-05 01:50 PM |
#151 |
| -
You have the right idea. We are not the enemy. |
madfloridian |
May-01-05 02:05 PM |
#156 |
| -
We are when our leaders triangulate or compromise |
CWebster |
May-02-05 06:05 AM |
#168 |
| -
Someone please explain the logic of pulling out. PLEAZE!!! |
digno dave |
May-02-05 10:51 AM |
#177 |
| -
Well we have to pull out--that's not really the question, |
janx |
May-02-05 11:54 AM |
#184 |
| -
bush wants to prolong the war ... things will not get better in Iraq ... |
welshTerrier2 |
May-02-05 12:59 PM |
#193 |
| -
Dean has gone from his point of view to the Democratic point of view |
dogday |
May-02-05 10:56 AM |
#178 |
| -
The question then is |
CWebster |
May-02-05 11:09 AM |
#179 |
| -
He hasn't changed his stance at all. n/t |
janx |
May-02-05 11:32 AM |
#181 |
| -
So? |
CWebster |
May-02-05 11:35 AM |
#182 |
| -
You seem to know how Dean thinks. |
janx |
May-02-05 11:52 AM |
#183 |
| -
Why you can't figure it out... |
CWebster |
May-02-05 11:55 AM |
#185 |
| -
Dean's job is to win elections in 06 and 08. |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 12:13 PM |
#186 |
| -
Exactly-hit the nail on the head |
dogday |
May-02-05 12:31 PM |
#188 |
| -
What peace in Iraq? |
CWebster |
May-02-05 12:32 PM |
#189 |
| -
I AM the left. I'm not bashing anything. What I'm saying is three fold |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 01:22 PM |
#195 |
| -
Dean has not changed his position on this matter. |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 12:15 PM |
#187 |
| -
well, that's only partially true ... |
welshTerrier2 |
May-02-05 12:33 PM |
#190 |
| -
Contact the office of your state DNC Chair. |
janx |
May-02-05 12:42 PM |
#191 |
| -
here's what i've been doing ... |
welshTerrier2 |
May-02-05 12:54 PM |
#192 |
| -
That's impressive! |
janx |
May-02-05 01:03 PM |
#194 |
| -
But who's to say WHO Dean should speak for? It seems some |
mzmolly |
May-02-05 02:58 PM |
#197 |
| -
locking, this thread is past it's usefulness |
Moderator |
May-02-05 03:20 PM |
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