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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:40 PM
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45. I often worry about that too...
but I think if we can get the hate radio folks to cool it (by confronting them head on, as is happening now with both AAR and the Dem politicians) even slightly and present a more rational, fact-based set of arguments, the vast majority of the people can be persuaded to think more globally and benevolently -- which in itself might prove sufficient to lift ourselves to a state of thoughtful political discourse resulting in more sensible legislation and a more civil country.

But the confrontation with the hatemongers has to be vociferous and possibly ugly, methinks :-( simply because people used to having power, however wrongfully garnered, do not give it up without an ugly fight...
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  -The Chasm Between "Us" and "Them" kentuck  Apr-21-05 10:07 AM   #0 
  - Good questions  ewagner   Apr-21-05 10:16 AM   #1 
  - I often worry about that too...  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 03:40 PM   #45 
  - I would say it begins with trying to stop the Us and Them stuff.  DemItAllAnyway   Apr-21-05 10:18 AM   #2 
  - But is that denying reality ?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 10:21 AM   #4 
     - Your mistake, I think, is insisting that the They are monolithic.  DemItAllAnyway   Apr-21-05 10:38 AM   #6 
     - That's what I'm asking for ?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 11:04 AM   #7 
        - Give you a list? Do it for you? Why don't you start instead?  DemItAllAnyway   Apr-21-05 01:37 PM   #23 
     - I think our biggest weapon will be, and it is surprising, the deficit.  Toots   Apr-21-05 11:16 AM   #9 
        - Good points , Toots..  kentuck   Apr-21-05 11:29 AM   #12 
  - A basic division between  randr   Apr-21-05 10:19 AM   #3 
  - It all ends when the right wing house of cards economy collapses.  amBushed   Apr-21-05 10:33 AM   #5 
  - I fear you may be correct...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 11:05 AM   #8 
  - Bullshit.  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 11:17 AM   #10 
  - And they continue to vote for what you say they do not believe in...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 12:02 PM   #14 
     - You still didn't answer my question.  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 12:05 PM   #15 
        - I picked only a few issues where the disagreements are...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 12:12 PM   #16 
           - You still didn't answer my question.  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 12:17 PM   #18 
              - I think I answered your question....  kentuck   Apr-21-05 12:20 PM   #19 
                 - Okay, if you won't give me your definition, I'll give you mine.  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 12:30 PM   #21 
                    - So you are saying those that are manipulated are not part of "them"?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 12:44 PM   #22 
                       - Hey, I told you my definition - when are you going to tell me yours??  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:08 PM   #24 
                       - I haven't seen your definition?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:10 PM   #25 
                          - You mean you commented on post #21 without even reading it??  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:12 PM   #26 
                             - I gave several examples in my post ; you gave nothing.  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:16 PM   #27 
                                - What examples?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:18 PM   #28 
                       - Are you saying that they are?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:20 PM   #29 
                          - It doesn't matter...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:26 PM   #30 
                             - And if they are, why do they need to be manipulated?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:27 PM   #31 
                                - Because they want to be...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:29 PM   #32 
                                   - And you're saying ignorance can't be overcome??  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:30 PM   #33 
                                      - But that's my point !  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:32 PM   #34 
                                         - But that's my question. Who do you mean by Republicons?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:34 PM   #35 
                                            - They only vote "monolithically"...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:37 PM   #36 
                                               - Is there a chasm?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:40 PM   #37 
                                                  - How they vote is how they think...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:45 PM   #38 
                                                     - Have you ever sat down and talked with a self-defined "Republican?"  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:47 PM   #39 
                                                     - I have tried...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:50 PM   #40 
                                                     - So are you saying the Progressive cause is hopeless?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:52 PM   #41 
                                                     - No. I'm saying we are in a friggin' war...  kentuck   Apr-21-05 02:53 PM   #42 
                                                     - I agree (note handle) but that brings me back to my original question...  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 02:58 PM   #43 
                                                     - "potential" allies or present enemies?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 03:23 PM   #44 
                                                     - Enemies or victims, ken? What happened to that old Progressive compassion?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 09:50 PM   #46 
                                                     - Who's my real enemy?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 09:52 PM   #47 
                                                     - Are they enemies or victims? Why don't you give a direct answer?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 09:55 PM   #48 
                                                     - I don't know. What do you think?  kentuck   Apr-21-05 10:00 PM   #49 
                                                     - What do you mean by that?  ClassWarrior   Apr-21-05 10:01 PM   #50 
  - It's cyclical. We compromise, they don't. That gives us flexibility  NCevilDUer   Apr-21-05 11:18 AM   #11 
  - The diff is how we look for our common goals: Security, Fun, Health,  opihimoimoi   Apr-21-05 11:56 AM   #13 
  - I think we agree the sky is blue  Debs   Apr-21-05 12:12 PM   #17 
  - Good questions.  samilib   Apr-21-05 12:29 PM   #20 

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