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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 02:36 AM
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74. More information from the Kos Letter post reply thread
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 02:57 AM by Nothing Without Hope
The diarist who posted her friend Melody Townsel's letter also posted several times in the 350+ posts that poured out in response. Here are two of them. A number of Kos posters had expressed concern that the letter might not hold up as genuine under investigation. Here are two of the diarist's posts (amyindallas is Amy Boardman Hunt, a legal media consultant).

...Given the big yawn Melody's letter got with members of the Senate, it's heartening to see so much response here.

Regarding the post above, if Melody is called to testify, corroborate, or otherwise explain herself in an official forum, I'm sure she will. I certainly didn't witness any of this myself, since I was in Dallas at the time. I know of one other person she knows who was involved, but because she still makes her living in D.C., she wants no part of this.

I will confirm, though, that she told me about it shortly afterward, although none of it stuck because I wasn't involved. Certainly, the name John Bolton didn't ring a bell to me until she called me the day his nomination was announced.

I honestly don't know what, if anything, will come of all this. I certainly hope Melody's character doesn't get assassinated, because she is a consummate professional (and quite funny, to boot)
by amyindallas on Fri Apr 15th, 2005 at 08:35:06 PDT

(several posts from other people were between these two posts)

...The folks on DailyKos can vet and devil's advocate till you're blue in the face, but none of it matters unless and until a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee takes her seriously. By posting her letter here, I wasn't asking anybody on Kos to say "holy cow, let's put the weight of our credibility behind this lady." All I wanted to do was get her letter "out there" and read by somebody other than those who have already disregarded it.

That has been accomplished. If the GOP decides Melody isn't credible, fine. But I'm fairly certain the Senate Dems won't present her as a witness if they aren't satisfied with her background and version of events.

Believe me, they're vetting. They're background-checking. I am personally satisfied that Melody's letter is legit and credible, or I wouldn't have posted it here in the first place. I have no desire to post something here that could reflect negatively on Kos.

Where it goes from here is up to the Senate Dems.
by amyindallas on Fri Apr 15th, 2005 at 15:48:29 PDT

Other evidence about Bolton is also described in the reply thread. I thought this pair of replies, one following the other, was striking. They are discussing Bolton's bizarre responses to an Australian interviewer in 2003. The link to the paper discussing this, written by David Corn, is given - I recommend reading it to better understand what we're dealing with in Bolton.

check out this scary article about Bolton
Australian journalist John Pilger interviewed John Bolton ( - An article by David Corn November 19, 2003 in The Nation, A No-Compassion Conservative?)
Some excerpts:
His remarks to Pilger, then, were hardly surprising. He is a no-apologies ideologue. Pilger asked if 10,000 civilian casualties in Iraq would be a "quite high" amount. Bolton answered, "I think it is quite low if you look at the size of the military operation that was undertaken."
by sadhu on Fri Apr 15th, 2005 at 11:31:37 PDT

The killer moment is right at the end after Pilger has wrapped up what, for Bolton, was an unexpectedly difficult interview:

Then when the interview ended, Bolton, as he stood up and removed the microphone, asked Pilger, "Are you a Labour Party member?" As if that explained Pilger's questions about dead and injured civilians in Iraq. Clearly, Bolton had not been briefed. Pilger is an investigative reporter specializing in national security matters who has long been seen as a left-of-center crusader. A critic of his recently dubbed Pilger "the Eeyore of the left." One wonders who at the State Department let Pilger get this close to Bolton? (By the way, when Pilger interviewed Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, a Pentagon media official ordered Pilger to shut off his camera once Pilger began questioning Feith about civilian casualties.)

Replying to Bolton's jab, Pilger explained to him the current politics of Britain: "Well, Labour Party--they're the conservatives." Pilger meant "conservative" as in supporting Prime Minister Tony Blair's embrace of the war in Iraq.

By now Bolton was walking away from Pilger, looking like he much desired a fast separation. With a mischievous (or, some might say, wicked) smile on his face, Bolton shot back, "You're a Communist Party member?"

That was the Kodak moment, and it was captured by Pilger's camera operator. On Planet Bolton, if you inquire too forcefully about civilian casualties, you must be a commie. The Cold War might be over. But at least one senior Bush aide is keeping its spirit alive.

by JohnDrake on Fri Apr 15th, 2005 at 16:57:52 PDT

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  -From a Kos diary: 'Horrifying, personal John Bolton story" Nothing Without Hope  Apr-16-05 02:09 PM   #0 
  - Scum Sucking SonOfABitch !!! - Come On Folks, Time To Nominate This !!!  WillyT   Apr-16-05 02:16 PM   #1 
  - Keep nominating folks.  unhappycamper   Apr-16-05 02:19 PM   #2 
  - The inmates are running the asylum - this is unbelievable.  smirkymonkey   Apr-16-05 02:22 PM   #3 
  - With something this remarkable,  Dr_eldritch   Apr-16-05 02:26 PM   #4 
  - The Kos diarist is the best friend of the letter writer  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 02:32 PM   #6 
  - Thank you  acmejack   Apr-16-05 02:44 PM   #9 
  - Funny thing, though...  punpirate   Apr-16-05 03:09 PM   #18 
  - Yes, this account needs to be CORROBORATED  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 03:19 PM   #21 
  - I worked under a small group of men like this  Daphne08   Apr-16-05 08:20 PM   #39 
     - Try working in real-estate.  Dr_eldritch   Apr-17-05 12:09 AM   #69 
  - It's weird, I know I'm proceeding from the assumption that Republicans are  Gonnabuymeagun   Apr-16-05 02:30 PM   #5 
  - I Think He's The Evil Twin Of Captain Kangaroo !!!  WillyT   Apr-16-05 02:37 PM   #7 
     - I see what you mean - but there is real madness in his eyes  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 02:43 PM   #8 
     - Oh... He Has Loathing In His Eyes... And Not Just For Himself !!!  WillyT   Apr-16-05 03:10 PM   #19 
     - You owe Captain Kangaroo an apology  Steve_DeShazer   Apr-16-05 02:51 PM   #13 
        - Therefore, The 'Evil Twin' Part... Ya See... Capt'n Good, Bolton Evil !!!  WillyT   Apr-16-05 03:01 PM   #15 
           - Yeah, but the resemblance isn't there, IMO  Steve_DeShazer   Apr-16-05 03:09 PM   #17 
              - OK... So They Were Fraternal Twins... LOL !!!  WillyT   Apr-16-05 03:15 PM   #20 
  - All this is on top of the fact that Bolton is known to despise the UN  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 02:50 PM   #10 
  - This man is disgusting  FreedomAngel82   Apr-16-05 02:50 PM   #11 
  - Yeah, THIS is the guy I want to represent us at the U.N.  ClintonTyree   Apr-16-05 02:51 PM   #12 
  - I believe the nomination of Bolton shows that Bush wants to destroy the UN  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 03:00 PM   #14 
     - Says a lot about Bush appointing "scum from the bottom of the barrel"  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 08:18 PM   #38 
        - I wonder why he does that  FreedomAngel82   Apr-16-05 08:20 PM   #40 
           - If his agenda were to get someone who would "do the right thing" he would  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 09:48 PM   #54 
           - I think that what we despise in Bolton's character, the neocons admire  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 01:05 AM   #71 
  - Here's a TinyURL for this thread in case you want to send out a link to it  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 03:06 PM   #16 
  - just sounds like a typical repuke wack job  leftofthedial   Apr-16-05 03:21 PM   #22 
  - I'm kind of assuming that these tactics are typical of the cabal --  DeepModem Mom   Apr-16-05 03:50 PM   #23 
  - Maybe they have something on McCain  FreedomAngel82   Apr-16-05 08:21 PM   #41 
     - Or threat --  DeepModem Mom   Apr-16-05 10:42 PM   #61 
  - There are currently 345 responses to the Kos post on this letter  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 03:55 PM   #24 
  - do a google search  itsjustme   Apr-16-05 04:51 PM   #28 
  - here is info  itsjustme   Apr-16-05 05:20 PM   #30 
  - My Opinion Only  itsjustme   Apr-16-05 05:25 PM   #31 
  - Kick and Nominated. This guy may be worse than Kerik.  Vektor   Apr-16-05 04:17 PM   #25 
  - Kerik was just  FreedomAngel82   Apr-16-05 08:23 PM   #42 
     - .  Vektor   Apr-17-05 01:51 PM   #85 
  - What's the big deal?? Sounds like business as usual, to me...  driver8   Apr-16-05 04:25 PM   #26 
  - "he went straight for the low road & stayed there"--perfect qualifications  lostnfound   Apr-16-05 04:53 PM   #29 
  - My thoughts exactly  Laurab   Apr-16-05 07:42 PM   #37 
  - Barbara Boxer is on the record, calling this sinkscum a  sfexpat2000   Apr-16-05 04:29 PM   #27 
  - Who has a connection to BB?  paineinthearse   Apr-16-05 05:32 PM   #32 
     - We all have a connection to BB:  sfexpat2000   Apr-16-05 05:46 PM   #33 
  - Hope, I trust you sent this to the Kahuna.  RevCheesehead   Apr-16-05 05:46 PM   #34 
  - A C-span caller with a British accent asked a great question...  spooky3   Apr-16-05 06:46 PM   #35 
  - Wow! I so love dry Brittish humor!  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 08:25 PM   #43 
  - So true  FreedomAngel82   Apr-16-05 08:25 PM   #44 
  - Vet this one CAREFULLY before you go with it, guys...  Junkdrawer   Apr-16-05 06:57 PM   #36 
  - Yes, corroboration is needed: WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER RATHERGATE  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 08:39 PM   #45 
  - New York Times article  dissident0   Apr-16-05 08:43 PM   #46 
  - Reading this excerpt - it looks like they're TRYING TO BURY HER STORY!  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 09:12 PM   #48 
     - Ah, she must be a registered DEM then.  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 09:43 PM   #53 
  - Bolton is a Monster in a Rubber Suit!  dxstone   Apr-16-05 08:51 PM   #47 
  - Do we know who was the PRIMARY HUB comtractor?  napi21   Apr-16-05 09:14 PM   #49 
  - Yes, we need to know. The statement in the NYT article was very  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 09:21 PM   #50 
  - Possible Republican SWAY VOTES  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 09:25 PM   #51 
  - CALLING WILL PITT!! WE NEED AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST STAT!!!  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 09:28 PM   #52 
  - Truth Out on Bolton from 4/13 - Let's ask Ray McGovern to dig up facts...  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 10:08 PM   #56 
  - For me, the issue is reaching Will Pitt and/or Ray McGovern and  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 10:20 PM   #58 
     - Will is a good guy, if he is in the country is my concern...  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 10:29 PM   #60 
        - I know he's a good guy, but he's a very busy good guy with an email  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 10:54 PM   #63 
  - Please do. I did some searching on the net, but failed.  napi21   Apr-16-05 10:12 PM   #57 
     - Still working on it!  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 10:25 PM   #59 
        - GOT IT!!  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 11:00 PM   #64 
           - Great! I'll email too. Here are the links to the NYT article & MP3 file  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 11:27 PM   #66 
           - OK, I've finally PMed Will - hope he will be able to respond.  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 03:50 AM   #77 
  - Air America Radio last night  Terre   Apr-16-05 10:08 PM   #55 
  - This is EXCELLENT!!! From THIS UPDATE at Daily Kos, it went well  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 10:48 PM   #62 
  - Majority Report Transcript  Tigress DEM   Apr-16-05 11:38 PM   #67 
     - Tigress, I tried it and couldn't find written transcripts, but the MP3  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 12:15 AM   #70 
        - No written transcripts.  Tigress DEM   Apr-17-05 02:30 AM   #73 
           - Yes, I feel the same way. Her being up front about which allegations were  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 02:42 AM   #75 
  - MP3 FILES of Melody Townsel AAR INTERVIEW  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 11:20 PM   #65 
  - Clearer sight from far away: great take on Bolton from a Pakistani paper  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-16-05 11:57 PM   #68 
  - Funny How FAUX News wants to appear UN Biased....but can't  Tigress DEM   Apr-17-05 02:26 AM   #72 
     - CARTOON illustrating the Washington Post's editorial's stated view that  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 02:51 AM   #76 
  - More information from the Kos Letter post reply thread  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 02:36 AM   #74 
  - thanks, it's great to know that the Dems are investigating this.  spooky3   Apr-17-05 06:56 AM   #78 
  - Biden just mentioned this letter and writer on the FOX News Sunday show,  Algorem   Apr-17-05 08:20 AM   #79 
  - you are so right sir! n/t  AZDemDist6   Apr-17-05 10:27 AM   #81 
  - kickkickkickkickkick  ianrs   Apr-17-05 10:26 AM   #80 
  - LA Times has picked it up, Biden emailed letter to dozens of DC reporters  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 12:37 PM   #82 
  - from NY Times-  Algorem   Apr-17-05 01:22 PM   #83 
  - This was from last Friday - and note the one-sided reporting  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 01:34 PM   #84 
     - guess noone she worked with or for is reachable  Algorem   Apr-17-05 01:57 PM   #86 
        - That's not clear and it may well be untrue - I hope  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 02:08 PM   #87 
  - CALL (202) 224-3953, the Foreign Relations Committee minority line...  Fridays Child   Apr-17-05 07:37 PM   #88 
  - Yes, I do believe that if the Dems had been serious about bringing in  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 11:34 PM   #94 
  - BTW - What Does It Take To Get A Thread Like This On The Home Page ???  WillyT   Apr-17-05 07:58 PM   #89 
  - We should ask that in ATA  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 11:14 PM   #92 
  - International paper says vote will be held on Tuesday regardless of all  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 08:23 PM   #90 
  - Hagel says he's troubled but will vote YES "at this point." Grandstanding?  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 10:39 PM   #91 
  - Bolton needs anger management!  lemonlime   Apr-17-05 11:29 PM   #93 
  - Welcome to DU, lemonlime! (And you're surely right about the anger mgmnt)  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-17-05 11:37 PM   #95 
  - Consistent with his abusive bullying, BOLTON HATES INTERNATIONALISM  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-18-05 12:35 AM   #96 
  - He does not listen to facts but tries to force agreement with his ideology  paineinthearse   Apr-18-05 08:53 AM   #97 
  - April 19 UPDATE and continuation of this thread posted in a NEW THREAD  Nothing Without Hope   Apr-19-05 05:54 AM   #98 

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