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75. Translation: "don't piss off our Corporate Paymasters
...because even though they'll always give the Rs LOTS more money than they give us, they still give us lots too! So we have to make sure they still have lots to give! So forget workers' rights, a civilized safety net, protecting the environment, or opposing the illegal, imperialist, insane war(s) that are making them LOTS AND LOTS of money. As long as we get some of it, who cares how many children they blow to bits? Not us."

How else to explain the insane repudiation of policies that in poll after poll a majority of Americans seem to want? Yeah, we're so radical that we are in agreement with a majority that this war is not worth it, that everyone should have health care, and that the environment is worth protecting.
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  -Centrist Democrats Warn Liberals rainy  Apr-04-05 03:02 PM   #0 
  - DLC = Democratic Losership Council  Larkspur   Apr-04-05 03:05 PM   #1 
  - How many non-DLC elections...  Writer   Apr-04-05 03:43 PM   #10 
     - they never seem to answer that question  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 04:44 PM   #20 
     - I cannot tell you  Writer   Apr-04-05 04:54 PM   #24 
        - You are using the last 20 years (the Republican revolution) as evidence?  U4ikLefty   Apr-06-05 03:04 AM   #233 
           - Universal health care and the assault weapons ban did that.  LoZoccolo   Apr-07-05 05:19 PM   #255 
     - The only elections the DLC won were Bill Clinton's and that was largely  Larkspur   Apr-04-05 05:19 PM   #29 
     - I politely disagree...  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:35 PM   #34 
     - True, NAFTA (1993) was more rightwing corporatist than centrist.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:27 PM   #99 
     - AAARRRGGHHH!!!! NOT 'universal health care' !!!!!!!  eridani   Apr-06-05 02:33 AM   #230 
     - You're right  Doctor Panacea   Apr-04-05 11:07 PM   #127 
     - If the DLC model was so appealing, why was the 2000 election even close?  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 05:23 PM   #30 
     - Because Bush...  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:24 PM   #32 
        - Or possibly because Clinton  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 05:27 PM   #33 
           - or possibly because Clinton had been ravaged by the GOP and media?  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 05:36 PM   #35 
           - Nice excuse, but it doesn't hold  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 05:44 PM   #38 
           - No. You are not correct.  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:56 PM   #40 
           - Yes, I am.  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 06:04 PM   #45 
           - Sandpiper, what I'M saying is...  Writer   Apr-04-05 06:12 PM   #47 
           - The DLC are a disaster, and I politely say you  saracat   Apr-05-05 04:52 AM   #152 
              - then I politely say to you...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 03:26 PM   #186 
           - There's even evidence of your argument today...  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:39 PM   #110 
           - Clinton the Man was popular. Clinton the DLCer? Maybe less so.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:37 PM   #109 
           - yeah, and Bush won despite low approvals  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 05:59 PM   #43 
           - Hmmm. Please see my post upthread about Clinton's approval rating.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:32 PM   #104 
              - hmmm... please see my post #43...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 03:21 PM   #170 
                 - I'm sensing a media connection between the two.  Zhade   Apr-05-05 06:39 PM   #206 
                    - exactly!  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 06:50 PM   #208 
                       - Worth considering. But in that vein, consider this also...  Zhade   Apr-05-05 07:53 PM   #209 
                          - that may be true, but...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:22 PM   #212 
                             - I fully agree with your last sentence.  Zhade   Apr-05-05 08:30 PM   #215 
                                - all it takes...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:34 PM   #217 
                                   - Now now, let's not do these indirect sideswipe attacks.  Zhade   Apr-05-05 08:40 PM   #219 
                                      - well...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:55 PM   #224 
                                         - Ah, my mistake for concluding you meant Q.  Zhade   Apr-06-05 05:19 PM   #252 
           - Clinton was an excellent politician...  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:39 PM   #36 
              - Kerry is trying to be the next Adlai Stevenson  Larkspur   Apr-05-05 05:39 AM   #162 
     - Well, 1992, since it was Clinton who made the DLC and not vice versa.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:22 PM   #97 
     - The Dems lost power under the DLC.  Dark   Apr-05-05 04:43 PM   #199 
        - they lost it while not under the DLC, too  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 06:02 PM   #203 
  - Or how about the party recapture the progressive domestic policies  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 03:08 PM   #2 
  - often repeated, never proven  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 04:27 PM   #16 
  - Here are the facts  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 05:13 PM   #28 
  - but you've not shown the DLC was the CAUSE of it  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 05:41 PM   #37 
  - And YOU  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:09 PM   #89 
     - I haven't made that assertion  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:18 PM   #94 
        - I run from nothing  Debs   Apr-05-05 03:45 PM   #189 
           - the assertion wan't made by me  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 04:02 PM   #195 
              - Cough up these so called successes  Debs   Apr-05-05 08:14 PM   #210 
                 - I never said I couldn't claim Clinton  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:43 PM   #220 
                    - Oh but you DID  Debs   Apr-05-05 08:58 PM   #225 
                       - oh but I haven't  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 09:04 PM   #226 
                          - Thats what I did  Debs   Apr-06-05 05:38 AM   #239 
                             - no you didn't  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 03:15 PM   #246 
  - Sandpiper!  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:59 PM   #42 
  - You decry simplism, and yet...  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 06:10 PM   #46 
     - Oh?  Writer   Apr-04-05 06:14 PM   #48 
        - So, no democrat was ever elected President prior to the DLC?  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 07:10 PM   #52 
           - Here's a better question:  Writer   Apr-04-05 07:48 PM   #60 
  - People forget about Perot - Clinton did NOT win the majority of the votes!  TankLV   Apr-04-05 11:37 PM   #136 
     - there was no Perot factor in Clinton's victory. Political urban legend.  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 03:28 PM   #187 
  - How is that BS?  knight_of_the_star   Apr-04-05 06:38 PM   #49 
     - But the alternative hasn't worked AT ALL!  Writer   Apr-04-05 07:03 PM   #51 
     - So, the New Deal Coalition was a failure?  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 07:15 PM   #53 
        - I don't agree, but then again...  Writer   Apr-04-05 07:53 PM   #64 
        - the New Deal Coalition was made up of centrists  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 09:51 PM   #80 
           - The New Deal Coalition was not made up of centrists  Sandpiper   Apr-04-05 10:03 PM   #86 
           - Actually, it was  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:16 PM   #92 
           - Even if that were true (which I cannot concede without further research)..  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:44 PM   #116 
              - on the contrary  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:32 AM   #157 
                 - And again, the New Deal itself was not centrist.  Zhade   Apr-05-05 06:29 PM   #204 
                    - no it wasn't. It was borrowed from the Socialist party platform.  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:30 PM   #214 
                       - As I said, I have zero problem with moderates voting for the New Deal.  Zhade   Apr-05-05 08:34 PM   #218 
                          - well, the problem is what we perceive as conservative policies  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 08:49 PM   #222 
                             - Some of what you list as policies, aren't.  Zhade   Apr-06-05 05:06 PM   #251 
                                - ok, to be technical  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 06:06 PM   #253 
                                   - Say, since we've had a reasonable discussion...  Zhade   Apr-07-05 04:49 PM   #254 
     - it's BS because you have not tied it to the DLC  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 09:49 PM   #77 
  - Right. You just keep telling yourself that...  LandOLincoln   Apr-04-05 09:50 PM   #78 
     - That is because we TOLD THEM to vote on national security  MollyStark   Apr-04-05 10:55 PM   #123 
        - Well, since you lot insist on equating Kerry's military experience  LandOLincoln   Apr-04-05 11:10 PM   #129 
        - ches? hmmm....  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:33 AM   #158 
        - "We told them to vote on national security."  LandOLincoln   Apr-04-05 11:13 PM   #131 
  - Washington Times, nuff said. If Howard Dean picked up a cup of coffee  DemItAllAnyway   Apr-04-05 03:08 PM   #3 
  - The base is somewhere between these two  LittleClarkie   Apr-04-05 03:09 PM   #4 
  - In short........  ClintonTyree   Apr-04-05 03:09 PM   #5 
  - I'm with ya! n/t  Amy6627   Apr-04-05 03:23 PM   #8 
  - Yeah Dive  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:16 PM   #91 
     - A most excellent point.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:47 PM   #117 
  - The base is centrist  Moderate Dem   Apr-04-05 03:18 PM   #6 
  - The energy, Ideals, and Ideas are on the left  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:22 PM   #96 
  - I very much agree.  Writer   Apr-04-05 10:49 PM   #119 
     - Your post presupposes the DLC is centrist  Debs   Apr-05-05 03:51 PM   #191 
        - Research the names of the Dems who supported NAFTA  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 04:47 PM   #200 
           - We are in agreement here  Debs   Apr-05-05 08:17 PM   #211 
  - Yeah. Sure it is.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:48 PM   #118 
  - There was a time when Republicans tried to move to the center  IronLionZion   Apr-04-05 03:21 PM   #7 
  - IronLionZion  Writer   Apr-04-05 03:46 PM   #11 
     - Before Reagan  IronLionZion   Apr-04-05 07:55 PM   #65 
  - They are headed in the wrong direction,  NYC   Apr-04-05 03:25 PM   #9 
  - Yup. I'm content to stand back and watch that bunch head  Skidmore   Apr-04-05 03:46 PM   #12 
  - I don't understand why these arguments always seem to be about "winning"  RaulGroom   Apr-04-05 03:59 PM   #13 
  - They're not saying that, IMO...  Moderate Dem   Apr-04-05 04:20 PM   #14 
  - I would be interested in learning who you consider to be  Skidmore   Apr-04-05 04:49 PM   #23 
  - My Voice Being Heard?  RaulGroom   Apr-04-05 08:31 PM   #68 
  - "extreme left wing of the party". Prove it.  Zhade   Apr-04-05 10:52 PM   #120 
  - Ya got that right. It's time they fought FOR my vote.  TankLV   Apr-04-05 11:50 PM   #141 
  - Memo to DLC-  Old and In the Way   Apr-04-05 04:23 PM   #15 
  - They ARE focusing on their opposition.  AntiCoup2K4   Apr-04-05 04:30 PM   #18 
  - Say it loud my friend!  JNelson6563   Apr-04-05 04:41 PM   #19 
  - I have come to that conclusion as well.  me b zola   Apr-04-05 04:47 PM   #21 
  - Yes - beware of the repuke MOLES - especially newbies with low post counts  TankLV   Apr-04-05 11:53 PM   #143 
  - Most Assuredly The Best Answer Here!  ChiciB1   Apr-04-05 07:44 PM   #59 
  - Voie against all DLC candidates in the primaries.  Albert Einstein   Apr-04-05 04:30 PM   #17 
  - I believe this is a rehash of a previous article.. but now that we're ...  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 04:48 PM   #22 
  - This attitude is visceral and not based on logic...  Writer   Apr-04-05 04:58 PM   #25 
  - you are correct  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 05:08 PM   #26 
     - I really DO understand why this canard exists, though...  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:24 PM   #31 
        - Writer...or Propagandist?  Q   Apr-04-05 07:50 PM   #61 
           - Love it!  Writer   Apr-04-05 09:13 PM   #73 
              - Clinton DID NOT propose universal health care, dammit!  eridani   Apr-06-05 02:50 AM   #231 
              - Clinton DID NOT propose universal health care, dammit!  eridani   Apr-06-05 02:50 AM   #232 
  - You're a real card. You want 'factual data' from the left...  Q   Apr-04-05 07:36 PM   #56 
  - I've made no assertions but rather asked for facts to back YOUR assertions  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 09:55 PM   #81 
     - Nafta is STILL  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:31 PM   #103 
     - you've made an inaccurate assumption  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:27 AM   #156 
        - I seem to have made an innaccurate assumption  Debs   Apr-05-05 03:57 PM   #192 
           - well, or course  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 04:10 PM   #197 
              - So what we have is  Debs   Apr-05-05 08:25 PM   #213 
                 - as has often been discussed on DU  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 05:25 AM   #236 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-05 05:56 AM   #242 
                       - hmm...  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 03:12 PM   #245 
     - Link for what?  MollyStark   Apr-04-05 11:04 PM   #126 
     - because it isn't common knowledge..so there must be an article...  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:04 AM   #155 
     - How about providing conrary evidence yourself  U4ikLefty   Apr-06-05 03:26 AM   #234 
        - that's not the way life works  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 05:27 AM   #237 
  - re: "cold, hard evidence"  ulysses   Apr-04-05 09:01 PM   #72 
  - no, the onus for providing that are those making the claim  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 09:55 PM   #82 
     - and the reason the DLC exists  ulysses   Apr-04-05 10:01 PM   #85 
        - the claim was: DLC lost elections in 94, 2000, 2002, 2004  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:04 PM   #87 
           - as I recall,  ulysses   Apr-04-05 10:08 PM   #88 
              - which is why I said "you in the general sense."  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:12 PM   #90 
                 - call it a habit.  ulysses   Apr-04-05 10:29 PM   #101 
                    - so... the only option is to make stuff up?  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:33 PM   #105 
                       - what have I made up?  ulysses   Apr-04-05 10:34 PM   #106 
                          - where have I said you've made anything up?  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 10:35 PM   #107 
                             - you're talking to me, not to "them".  ulysses   Apr-04-05 10:39 PM   #111 
                             - right. Where have I said YOU were making anything up?  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 04:50 AM   #151 
                             - Umm - the title of your POST perhaps!  TankLV   Apr-05-05 12:00 AM   #146 
                                - right. My exact words, "THE only option is to make stuff up"  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:01 AM   #154 
  - I'll do that as soon  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:27 PM   #100 
  - I've never made that assertion  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:34 AM   #159 
     - I never run away from anything  Debs   Apr-05-05 03:59 PM   #193 
        - well PROVE it Debs!  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 04:00 PM   #194 
           - You have this thing about running away  Debs   Apr-05-05 08:32 PM   #216 
              - HERE'S A FAVOR DEBS!!!  U4ikLefty   Apr-06-05 03:38 AM   #235 
              - too bad it's already been covered  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 05:45 AM   #241 
              - I've never said you were running away from me  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 05:30 AM   #238 
                 - IF you havent done either, and dont plan too  Debs   Apr-06-05 06:12 AM   #243 
                    - I've never denied DLC losses  wyldwolf   Apr-06-05 03:10 PM   #244 
  - We have till we're blue in the face, but you all choose to ignore the  TankLV   Apr-04-05 11:56 PM   #144 
     - no you haven't  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 05:36 AM   #161 
        - Only because you refuse to see it.  TankLV   Apr-05-05 03:14 PM   #167 
           - ok, let's assume there are links in this thread that prove it  wyldwolf   Apr-05-05 03:15 PM   #168 
  - And what about 1998!  Writer   Apr-04-05 05:10 PM   #27 
  - They lost because people felt what they did was petty  knight_of_the_star   Apr-04-05 06:41 PM   #50 
  - Dems a dem....  DaDeacon   Apr-04-05 05:50 PM   #39 
  - Absolutely beautiful!!!!  Moderate Dem   Apr-04-05 05:58 PM   #41 
  - Two thumbs up!  Writer   Apr-04-05 06:00 PM   #44 
  - Nicely written but one word was missing in your conclusion:  sellitman   Apr-04-05 07:50 PM   #62 
  - You may be right however,  DaDeacon   Apr-05-05 06:00 PM   #202 
  - Every poll I have ever seen says  Debs   Apr-04-05 10:40 PM   #112 
     - Many Americans also say...  Writer   Apr-04-05 10:53 PM   #121 
        - You have a point, but  Debs   Apr-05-05 04:05 PM   #196 
  - DLC: "The Republicans' favorite Democrats"  Q   Apr-04-05 07:15 PM   #54 
  - We tried thier way in '02 and '04.  Radical Activist   Apr-04-05 07:31 PM   #55 
  - I have some choice words for those centrists...  sendero   Apr-04-05 07:41 PM   #57 
  - Why don't you...  sellitman   Apr-04-05 07:51 PM   #63 
     - Oh...  sendero   Apr-04-05 08:56 PM   #71 
  - Brier Patch moment "No..dont leave the party!" (giggles)  LimpingLib   Apr-04-05 07:43 PM   #58 
  - Repub Lites  Disturbed   Apr-04-05 08:22 PM   #66 
  - Just the fact that the DLC had to dispatch a new Intern to DU today.....  AntiCoup2K4   Apr-04-05 08:30 PM   #67 
  - You referring to me?  Writer   Apr-04-05 09:28 PM   #74 
  - Rest assured  DerekG   Apr-04-05 09:51 PM   #79 
  - Vichy Democrats, eh?  Writer   Apr-04-05 09:59 PM   #84 
  - You must be a Master Lurker  MollyStark   Apr-04-05 10:17 PM   #93 
  - For MollyStark and Q:  Writer   Apr-04-05 10:37 PM   #108 
     - You brought up the 60s...  Q   Apr-04-05 11:13 PM   #132 
        - I'm very sorry.  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:40 PM   #137 
           - You love to inject words into a conversation...  Q   Apr-05-05 09:00 AM   #163 
           - All you do is lecture, lecture, lecture.  Writer   Apr-05-05 04:22 PM   #198 
              - Actually...it's not a matter of perspective...  Q   Apr-05-05 05:25 PM   #201 
           - I enjoy your wit and defiance but,  Spinoza   Apr-06-05 03:40 PM   #249 
  - Bush will tell you there's 'no proof' that he lied this nation into war...  Q   Apr-04-05 10:20 PM   #95 
  - Im with ya'... n/t  nickshepDEM   Apr-04-05 10:42 PM   #114 
  - You crack me up.  Spinoza   Apr-06-05 03:34 PM   #248 
  - bwahahahahahaha  wyldwolf   Apr-04-05 09:56 PM   #83 
  - Yes - we have all noticed this.  TankLV   Apr-05-05 12:07 AM   #148 
  - Is there really a difference?  AntiCoup2K4   Apr-05-05 10:25 AM   #166 
  - No kidding. Fucking, transparently pathetic. n/t  Tinoire   Apr-06-05 12:46 AM   #228 
  - Centrism isn't about the center; it's about playing to the marketing that  Nikki Stone 1   Apr-04-05 08:35 PM   #69 
  - Dean opposes an illegal war based on "sexed up"  brindis_desala   Apr-04-05 08:46 PM   #70 
  - Translation: "don't piss off our Corporate Paymasters  kenzee13   Apr-04-05 09:30 PM   #75 
  - "Recapture the muscular progressive internationalism"?  DerekG   Apr-04-05 09:37 PM   #76 
  - Screw OFF! We've tried it your way. It's a failure.  leesa   Apr-04-05 10:22 PM   #98 
  - I can't believe no one has brought this up:  susanna   Apr-04-05 10:29 PM   #102 
  - If we have a losing Dem candidate...  Writer   Apr-04-05 10:41 PM   #113 
     - "You" say that many would have just stayed home.  susanna   Apr-04-05 11:00 PM   #124 
     - Remember Sistah Souljah?  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:07 PM   #128 
        - sure - Clinton's "fuck the blacks" moment.  ulysses   Apr-04-05 11:34 PM   #135 
     - F* the percentages --  MsMagnificent   Apr-06-05 03:43 PM   #250 
  - lookie four years and no attacks  seabeyond   Apr-04-05 10:43 PM   #115 
  - Bah, humbug!  Doctor Panacea   Apr-04-05 10:54 PM   #122 
  - Not... not... narcissism!  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:03 PM   #125 
     - no, no. the progressives are the "activist elites".  ulysses   Apr-04-05 11:12 PM   #130 
        - Hmmm...  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:24 PM   #133 
           - of course they are!  ulysses   Apr-04-05 11:27 PM   #134 
              - I know we disagree...  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:42 PM   #138 
                 - it's a gift.  ulysses   Apr-04-05 11:45 PM   #139 
                    - LOL!  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:48 PM   #140 
                    - I'll be here all week. Try the lobster bisque.  ulysses   Apr-04-05 11:52 PM   #142 
                       - Gosh, I hope not until the summer.  Writer   Apr-04-05 11:57 PM   #145 
                          - heh - you'll be a fun one.  ulysses   Apr-05-05 12:05 AM   #147 
                    - But just "gifted" - hardly "intelligent".  TankLV   Apr-05-05 12:16 AM   #149 
  - Cave and be wimps.  SarahBelle   Apr-05-05 04:24 AM   #150 
  - Activists Elites  RogueTrooper   Apr-05-05 04:57 AM   #153 
  - The DLC is giving more bad advise on SS to the Dems  GetTheRightVote   Apr-05-05 05:35 AM   #160 
  - Gee, after snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, not once but twice,  MadHound   Apr-05-05 09:50 AM   #164 
  - Find me a progressive Democrat who does not want to see Bin Laden  mtnester   Apr-05-05 10:21 AM   #165 
  - Should read : RIGHT WING CORPORATISTS WARN CENTRISTS"  Capn Sunshine   Apr-05-05 03:19 PM   #169 
  - Centrist Democrats warn liberals  ckramer   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #171 
  - I think we have about 6 threads on this now?  AntiCoup2K4   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #172 
  - screw the DLC!  acmejack   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #173 
  - It might be true.  Deep13   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #174 
  - Oh, yeah, right  wryter2000   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #175 
  - Fuck the DLC  arissa   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #176 
  - "They're quickly becoming irrelevant"  Deep13   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #180 
  - The DLC Has Already Changed The Party  Me.   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #177 
  - Same old same old  endarkenment   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #178 
  - It should Read "RIGHT WING CORPORATISTS WARN CENTRISTS"  Capn Sunshine   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #179 
  - Im WARNING YOU "Drill in the oceans , bomb the Arabs,get the oil"  LimpingLib   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #181 
  - Well for the record  thefloyd   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #182 
  - The only liberalism that can make a difference  Clark Bayh 2008   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #183 
  - Which is exactly why the DLC needs to die  AntiCoup2K4   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #185 
  - What the hell is 'progressive internationalism' supposed to mean?  Q   Apr-05-05 09:54 PM   #227 
  - The DLC is a defacto propaganda arm of Nixonian Republicanism --  Old Crusoe   Apr-05-05 03:22 PM   #184 
  - Why would any sane, compassionate human want to sell out  FubarFly   Apr-05-05 03:42 PM   #188 
  - Fear not Democrats, the truth will set America free from the GOP.  Democrats_win   Apr-05-05 03:49 PM   #190 
  - Here comes the DLC, or Dead Man Walking.  Gyre   Apr-05-05 06:37 PM   #205 
  - We Need A Half-Way House For Centrists...  WillyT   Apr-05-05 06:48 PM   #207 
  - I would personally like to warn the DLC  Kipepeo   Apr-05-05 08:45 PM   #221 
  - I think it's time to dust off JFK's "Pax Americana" speech.  leanin_green   Apr-05-05 08:54 PM   #223 
  - Jeez. Somebody please, gift wrap these b*stards  Tinoire   Apr-06-05 12:57 AM   #229 
  - I stopped reading when I saw that the DLC was being touted as "centrist"  w4rma   Apr-06-05 05:39 AM   #240 
  - DU Front page today is an opinion piece on this- They Want War  justicebuilder   Apr-06-05 03:15 PM   #247 
  - Chicken  entanglement   Apr-07-05 11:56 PM   #256 
 

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