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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #116
124. sorry, no new gun laws. Bad, bad bad.
We lost congress and recent prez elections because federal gun laws. The #1 reason we are losing huge chunks of union votes is because of federal gun laws.

MAke gun control a local city issue, and push for educational programs and gun safety programs.

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  -Culture Of Life: Hypocrisy Seen on Guns Dr Ron  Mar-24-05 09:15 AM   #0 
  - Guns and Life don't go together very well.  Mary in KC   Mar-24-05 09:22 AM   #1 
  - Would you let children drive?  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 09:28 AM   #3 
  - Weak analogy. Most shootings are not accidental...  tubbacheez   Mar-24-05 09:45 AM   #8 
  - Exact analogy.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 10:44 AM   #11 
     - Even in a narrow context of children actors...  tubbacheez   Mar-24-05 11:06 AM   #15 
  - It's not as if...  kerrygoddess   Mar-24-05 10:52 AM   #12 
     - And we have laws...  sendero   Mar-24-05 03:27 PM   #43 
  - The GOP-NRA deathcult's brownshirt footsoldiers are gunwackos  billbuckhead   Mar-24-05 09:33 AM   #4 
  - No hypocrisy on guns.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 09:26 AM   #2 
  - Can one measure how many people are terrorized by guns?  billbuckhead   Mar-24-05 09:36 AM   #5 
  - Inanimate object terrorizes...film at 11.  skippythwndrdog   Mar-24-05 02:38 PM   #21 
     - It does  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:12 PM   #35 
  - It's always interesting to see how many gun owners  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 09:41 AM   #6 
  - I do NOT daydream about shooting people.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 11:28 AM   #16 
     - Didn't say YOU did.  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 03:42 PM   #52 
        - Lots of DUers talk about having guns for a revolution too.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:06 PM   #62 
           - Yeah, they do....  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 04:18 PM   #71 
  - Self Defense and Gun Control Are Not In Opposition  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 09:48 AM   #9 
  - Mistakes in your argument.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 11:00 AM   #14 
  - Effective gun control is possible  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 11:41 AM   #18 
     - The biggest source of genuine AK-47s is Africa.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 12:31 PM   #19 
        - Proving the point  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 02:08 PM   #20 
           - More on smart guns  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 02:44 PM   #23 
           - You expect me to trust a gun with a 20% failure rate in an emergency???  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:12 PM   #34 
              - Still being worked on  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:17 PM   #38 
           - About Smart Guns.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:09 PM   #30 
              - Looks like more knee jerk reaction  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:16 PM   #37 
                 - Hmmmm. So you make a variation of ad hominum attack when you lose?  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:20 PM   #40 
                    - No point in going through all  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:32 PM   #46 
                       - Yet you try to make gun ownership so difficult.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:58 PM   #58 
                          - Doesn't have to be difficult  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 04:08 PM   #63 
                             - It is the cumulative effect.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:17 PM   #70 
                                - Obviously can't have all the laws  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 04:44 PM   #83 
                                   - Mandatory training makes it more difficult to legally drive a car.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 05:01 PM   #89 
                                      - Not a question of regulations, but which regulations  Dr Ron   Mar-25-05 10:58 AM   #138 
                                         - We probably aren't that far apart.  Silverhair   Mar-25-05 11:33 AM   #140 
  - Do you know what an "assault weapon" is?  skippythwndrdog   Mar-24-05 02:49 PM   #25 
     - Reich Wing??  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:07 PM   #28 
        - Of all the gun nut hooey around  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 03:13 PM   #36 
  - Gun control is not forbidding guns  Mass   Mar-24-05 10:14 AM   #10 
  - Great! Smart Gun Control does not say you can't have them!  kerrygoddess   Mar-24-05 10:58 AM   #13 
  - When The Brown Shirts Come For Me I Intend To Fight  mhr   Mar-24-05 08:31 PM   #115 
  - How do you know then that their lives needed defending?  KevinJ   Mar-25-05 10:48 AM   #137 
  - Remember, the same bunch put assault weapons back in stores  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 09:44 AM   #7 
  - Do you know what an "assault weapon" is?  skippythwndrdog   Mar-24-05 02:51 PM   #26 
     - Yes I do, skippy...  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 03:10 PM   #32 
  - Related article in LA Times  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 11:38 AM   #17 
  - I am pro-gun rights, because I respect life.  skippythwndrdog   Mar-24-05 02:42 PM   #22 
  - We've already refuted this argument  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 02:46 PM   #24 
  - Bull. You've done nothing of the sort.  skippythwndrdog   Mar-24-05 02:52 PM   #27 
     - Yes, see above posts  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:09 PM   #31 
        - Which is why gun controls are necessary.  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:36 PM   #50 
  - Interesting statistics  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:17 PM   #39 
     - What about Switzerland?  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:24 PM   #42 
        - Yes  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:28 PM   #44 
        - So the gun isn't the cause, it's the people.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:34 PM   #48 
           - Which is why training and licensing are necessary.  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:38 PM   #51 
              - I have NO OBJECTION to mandatory training.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:02 PM   #61 
        - I wonder why gun nuts don't move to Switzerland en masse...  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 03:46 PM   #53 
        - I would be interested in further research ...  PittLib   Mar-24-05 04:00 PM   #59 
           - Obviously, those are the things that make the difference.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:08 PM   #64 
              - I'm not really sure what you mean by "gungrabber laws"...  PittLib   Mar-24-05 04:40 PM   #82 
  - Just because they yell 2nd Amendment  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 03:08 PM   #29 
  - Unfortunately they aren't aware of the rest of the Bill of Rights  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:11 PM   #33 
  - I'm a member of the ACLU.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-24-05 04:46 PM   #85 
  - For that matter...  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 03:49 PM   #54 
     - You miss the point  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 03:58 PM   #57 
        - I'm not missing any point...  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 04:16 PM   #68 
           - That's worked so well  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 04:35 PM   #80 
              - Again, if all you weant is to fool the simple-minded  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 07:28 PM   #112 
  - Not culture of life, culture of violence  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:23 PM   #41 
  - Teaching PROPER firearms use to children is a GOOD thing.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 03:29 PM   #45 
     - At least something we agree on  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 03:34 PM   #47 
     - Well I disagree  Mass   Mar-24-05 03:34 PM   #49 
        - Gun safety classes could help that  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 03:54 PM   #55 
        - I agree with that.  Mass   Mar-24-05 04:32 PM   #78 
           - If I lived in greater Boston  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 04:40 PM   #81 
        - You know, it's a lot like sex education.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-24-05 04:33 PM   #79 
  - More of this...  sendero   Mar-24-05 03:56 PM   #56 
  - false argument out of the gate  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 04:00 PM   #60 
  - That is my argument..  sendero   Mar-24-05 04:32 PM   #77 
     - false arguments  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 04:52 PM   #87 
        - Yes, there WAS that problem in the 50s & 60s.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 05:04 PM   #91 
        - Okeedoke  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:10 PM   #97 
           - In fact, guns didn't become a hot issue until the 1970s  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 07:20 PM   #111 
              - I remember the times, so I don't need quotes.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 08:47 PM   #118 
                 - I remember them too...  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 06:57 AM   #127 
        - tired arguments...  sendero   Mar-24-05 05:08 PM   #95 
           - So you support gun regulation  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:14 PM   #99 
              - It doesn't...  sendero   Mar-24-05 05:20 PM   #100 
                 - Then we completely agree  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:22 PM   #102 
                    - Me..  sendero   Mar-24-05 06:27 PM   #109 
                       - Oh, don't count on it  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 08:22 PM   #113 
                          - You shall..  sendero   Mar-24-05 08:24 PM   #114 
  - It was gun control cost Ann Richards the governship against Bush.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:13 PM   #66 
  - And despite the dire predictions..  sendero   Mar-24-05 04:28 PM   #74 
  - But there was no big rush to get concealed carry....  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 04:30 PM   #76 
     - Interesting that you don't list instances of guns used in defense.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:49 PM   #86 
     - I don't list UFO sightings either....  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 05:04 PM   #90 
        - Are you saying that guns have never deterred an attack? NT  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 05:08 PM   #94 
           - I think it happens every once in a blue moon  MrBenchley   Mar-24-05 07:18 PM   #110 
              - Then we profoundly disagree.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 08:45 PM   #117 
                 - Yeah we do....  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 07:01 AM   #128 
                    - You are leaving out a huge group of events.  Silverhair   Mar-25-05 10:23 AM   #136 
                       - That IS rich...  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 11:08 AM   #139 
     - No rush? 1.6% of the population? Well, it is lower than South Dakota.  Firethorn   Mar-25-05 08:19 AM   #131 
        - Thanks for making my point...  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 09:11 AM   #134 
  - Problems with current laws don't mean there should be no laws  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 04:14 PM   #67 
     - Well - the devil is in the details...  sendero   Mar-24-05 04:25 PM   #73 
        - Agree--some regulations good, some aren't  Dr Ron   Mar-24-05 04:45 PM   #84 
           - Yes, but the Democrats are saddled with the blame for it.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 05:10 PM   #96 
  - Culture of Life means the Braindead and unborn ONLY  LSK   Mar-24-05 04:09 PM   #65 
  - Hypocrisy on both sides!  Leilani   Mar-24-05 04:16 PM   #69 
  - Applause !!!! NT  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 04:19 PM   #72 
  - YES. Jesus. nt  BullGooseLoony   Mar-24-05 04:28 PM   #75 
  - You can have guns and smoke  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 04:55 PM   #88 
     - But it IS from our party that increasing restrictions on them come from.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 05:07 PM   #93 
     - "Democrats saddled with the blame"  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:26 PM   #103 
        - The laws the gungrabbers in our party want are NOT sensible. NT  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 08:48 PM   #119 
     - Not a Bullshit argument  Leilani   Mar-24-05 05:12 PM   #98 
        - Who is fighting for the Constitution now?  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:21 PM   #101 
           - The problem I have with you is that YOU determine  Leilani   Mar-24-05 05:40 PM   #105 
              - So you're a single issue smoking voter  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:51 PM   #106 
                 - You continue to insult my intelligence.  Leilani   Mar-24-05 06:01 PM   #107 
                    - The exact opposite  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 06:12 PM   #108 
                    - Self delete. Accidental duplicate.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 09:12 PM   #120 
  - drop the gun control, folks. We will never win the House again  montana500   Mar-24-05 05:06 PM   #92 
  - Rural people care about gun deaths  sandnsea   Mar-24-05 05:31 PM   #104 
     - I think it's more than their better angels, actually  Sparkly   Mar-24-05 08:35 PM   #116 
        - Gun education may help...  Firethorn   Mar-24-05 09:30 PM   #122 
        - sorry, no new gun laws. Bad, bad bad.  montana500   Mar-24-05 09:53 PM   #124 
        - What a ludicrous argument in every way...  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 09:06 AM   #133 
        - Already done.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 10:14 PM   #126 
  - A proposal that may satisfy both sides, except for extremists.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 09:16 PM   #121 
  - Suggested modifications.  Firethorn   Mar-24-05 09:49 PM   #123 
  - Everything open for discussion.  Silverhair   Mar-24-05 10:08 PM   #125 
  - My gripe about gun nuts  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 07:03 AM   #129 
     - Gun grabber names?  Firethorn   Mar-25-05 07:48 AM   #130 
        - Yes, I do notice a trend...  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 08:56 AM   #132 
           - Why are they against private firearm ownership?  Firethorn   Mar-25-05 02:49 PM   #141 
              - Again, why don't you find out what they actually say  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 03:55 PM   #142 
  - A Bit More Hypocrisy on Guns from the "Culture of Life"  MrBenchley   Mar-25-05 09:15 AM   #135 
 

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