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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:59 PM
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43. The Dems Have Been Over a Barrel for Years about Lots of Things
Just in the SCHIAVO case, two natural constituencies are against us:

1) Advocates for the Disabled, who see this as a better-dead-than-Disabled issue. 2) The Congressional Black Caucus, who have strong religious reasons.

The traditional Catholic wing in the minorities, SHOULD be Dem but has been alienated over Choice for years.

I don't say that the Dems in Congress JUST DISCOVERED Constitutional concerns. This case bubbled up and TURNED into a Constitutional problem. Not all Dems were on board for this, were cowardly about going along. There were only SIX U.S.Reps-Dem at the press conference on Sunday: WEXLER, WASSERMAN-SHULTZ, DAVIS, WU, HOLT, AND FRANK. They were everything I admire about being a Dem---brave, compassionate, committed, articulate. There were only SIX.

We are made up of different groups: Each group has a different Number One item for their agendas, their identity item. Some of the groups have a positive antipathy for the #1 items of other groups. It's only as you go down the lists that a GENERAL consensus of what "Demcrat" is about. Dems at the borders like NAFTA, Labor doesn't, etc.
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  -Aren't there more important issues to debate than Schiavo? Q  Mar-22-05 09:14 AM   #0 
  - Like steroids in baseball?  adwon   Mar-22-05 09:17 AM   #1 
  - You're exactly right...  Q   Mar-22-05 09:19 AM   #2 
  - Everyone Wants to know....  kevinmc   Mar-22-05 09:20 AM   #3 
  - And the Big Dawg wagged the dog...  MemphisTiger   Mar-22-05 09:21 AM   #4 
  - Time To Move On  Steel City Slim   Mar-22-05 09:22 AM   #5 
  - If the Democratic party had put this much effort into election fraud...  Q   Mar-22-05 09:43 AM   #9 
     - Democrats generally react to situations and issues  Lorien   Mar-22-05 10:34 AM   #11 
     - The Dems Have No Focus  Steel City Slim   Mar-22-05 10:37 AM   #12 
     - Or exposing the PNAC, or the trutth of 9/11, or massive outsourcing  Al-CIAda   Mar-22-05 11:55 AM   #17 
  - Unfortunately they  Nite Owl   Mar-22-05 09:24 AM   #6 
  - Nonsense...this issue may be important...but not as a national issue...  Q   Mar-22-05 09:27 AM   #8 
  - We're becoming like Pavlov's dogs...  Q   Mar-22-05 09:25 AM   #7 
  - Ding Ding Ding! You Hit It Dead On Q . . .  Dinger   Mar-22-05 11:50 AM   #16 
  - Yes there are more important issues but sometimes you have to  candy331   Mar-22-05 10:10 AM   #10 
  - We weren't dealt a 'hand'...but a wedge issue...  Q   Mar-22-05 12:42 PM   #20 
  - Schiavo is one of many -  sparosnare   Mar-22-05 10:44 AM   #13 
  - actually, I don't think there are  onenote   Mar-22-05 10:58 AM   #14 
  - Personal liberty?  Q   Mar-22-05 12:36 PM   #18 
     - Because we can win folks over to our side  onenote   Mar-22-05 12:56 PM   #21 
        - If LYING THIS COUNTRY INTO WAR didn't scare them...  Q   Mar-22-05 03:06 PM   #25 
  - I don't mean to hijack this thread with more of what is apparently  Malva Zebrina   Mar-22-05 11:12 AM   #15 
  - Nothing is more important to Bush than keeping the Bible thumpers happy.  yellowcanine   Mar-22-05 12:39 PM   #19 
  - So what's important to us?  Q   Mar-22-05 03:01 PM   #24 
  - .  Wilms   Mar-22-05 01:34 PM   #22 
  - Bring back Jeff Gannon!  Generator   Mar-22-05 02:45 PM   #23 
  - There was never a real investigation into the 2000 election fraud...  Q   Mar-22-05 03:10 PM   #26 
     - The Democratic party must move into the void and make this WH accountable.  Al-CIAda   Mar-22-05 03:17 PM   #27 
  - Let us not debate Terry S. Let us debate on whether or not to debate her.  MollyStark   Mar-22-05 03:50 PM   #28 
  - This isn't a 'debate about whether to debate'...  Q   Mar-22-05 04:44 PM   #31 
  - This is important for other reasons  knight_of_the_star   Mar-22-05 03:56 PM   #29 
  - this the best the Democratic party can do?  Q   Mar-22-05 04:46 PM   #32 
     - No, it's not the best we can do  lastliberalintexas   Mar-22-05 05:27 PM   #37 
  - Is there anything left to discuss except meta conversations about Schiavo?  LuminousX   Mar-22-05 04:00 PM   #30 
  - Seems to me that the GOP is Using this case to tear up the Constitution  DearAbby   Mar-22-05 04:52 PM   #33 
     - Are you pulling my leg?  Q   Mar-22-05 04:58 PM   #34 
        - No What I am saying is that 70-75% of the people are waking up  DearAbby   Mar-22-05 05:11 PM   #35 
  - Constitutional issues ARE important  lastliberalintexas   Mar-22-05 05:17 PM   #36 
  - You could actually read the thread...  Q   Mar-22-05 06:35 PM   #41 
  - No, this is exposing republican methods and their agenda  Emboldened Chimp   Mar-22-05 05:31 PM   #38 
  - The Issues IS abt Shrub-govt "Killing off democracy"  UTUSN   Mar-22-05 05:35 PM   #39 
  - If the Democratic leadership is able to 'multi-task'...  Q   Mar-22-05 06:25 PM   #40 
     - The Dems Have Been Over a Barrel for Years about Lots of Things  UTUSN   Mar-22-05 06:59 PM   #43 
  - OTOH  peaches2003   Mar-22-05 06:40 PM   #42 
  - I've lost all faith...  Q   Mar-22-05 07:53 PM   #44 
  - Looks like the media frenzy is almost at an end...  Q   Mar-24-05 08:41 AM   #45 
  - I'm just waiting for the next  Discord   Mar-24-05 09:04 AM   #46 
  - .  Wilms   Mar-24-05 03:17 PM   #47 

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