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82. The Bushies will allow you to keep your guns...
...because they don't feel threatened by them and they already have full control over you and your government.

They know that YOU know that they're a bunch of criminals and war profiteers. But they also know there's nothing you can do about it.

The Bushies and their media have dumbed-down America to the point where many Americans don't even care if the Bill of Rights or any other document exists to keep their government from oppressing them. Those who DO care have no power to do anything about it. Their free press and congress is corrupt and devoid of integrity or honor.

And a good portion of the population keeps voting these bastards back into office because they're AFRAID that the other side will mess with their guns. They vote this way...knowing that those who protect the 2nd amendment for them care nothing about the rest of the Bill of Rights. This is the only amendment that doesn't get in their way and muck up the corporate/church/military state.
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  -1st or 2nd Amendment - Which is more important to Democracy? Q  Mar-16-05 08:03 AM   #0 
  - The first  adwon   Mar-16-05 08:09 AM   #1 
  - No doubt. Even if the government got to a point  spunky   Mar-16-05 08:18 AM   #10 
  - Washington didn't have much of a problem with it.  Massacure   Mar-16-05 05:34 PM   #83 
  - 1st or 2nd  Charon   Mar-16-05 08:11 AM   #2 
  - In what way?  bowens43   Mar-16-05 08:16 AM   #5 
  - In that allows the people to stand up to the government and/or military  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 02:58 PM   #74 
     - BEGIN to attack democracy? Begin?  Q   Mar-18-05 07:44 PM   #100 
  - So how does owning a firearm going to help if..  humanriteswritlarge   Mar-16-05 08:20 AM   #11 
  - Realize the difference between policy and enforcement  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 03:16 PM   #78 
  - That's a bull crap argument that I use on my Pro-Life Friends re: ESC Res  Coastie for Truth   Mar-16-05 08:32 AM   #15 
  - They use the same tactics on us.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 03:20 PM   #79 
  - A wise man once said "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword"  Toots   Mar-16-05 09:02 AM   #20 
     - And a man with both is the best off.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 03:21 PM   #80 
     - If I remember my history right  knight_of_the_star   Mar-18-05 05:57 PM   #95 
  - 1st for adults. 2nd for adolescents.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-16-05 08:13 AM   #3 
  - cheap shot.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 02:56 PM   #72 
     - And I'm sure you are part of a "well regulated" militia....right?????  Toots   Mar-19-05 07:34 AM   #108 
  - Of course, the 1st is more important.  bowens43   Mar-16-05 08:14 AM   #4 
  - the "framers" listed them in order of how they rank them in importance  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-16-05 08:16 AM   #6 
  - Where does it say they listed in order of importance?  leftynyc   Mar-16-05 12:21 PM   #42 
  - Why do I have to make a choice?  tx_dem41   Mar-16-05 08:16 AM   #7 
  - Bingo.  Zenlitened   Mar-16-05 08:18 AM   #9 
  - That's exactly right...  Q   Mar-16-05 08:31 AM   #14 
  - I agree with this post completely.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 01:37 PM   #62 
  - Exactly. All are important. The order varies from moment to moment  Mairead   Mar-16-05 02:43 PM   #70 
  - I could live without the 3rd.  ieoeja   Mar-18-05 04:41 PM   #86 
     - If You Bring Up The 3rd Down In The Gun Dungeon........  Paladin   Mar-18-05 07:16 PM   #96 
  - The 1st is the most important.  robcon   Mar-16-05 08:17 AM   #8 
  - Self defense is a personal decision  jody   Mar-16-05 08:21 AM   #12 
  - What about the rest of the Bill of Rights...  Q   Mar-16-05 08:32 AM   #16 
     - Sorry, my reply #18 was to your question.  jody   Mar-16-05 08:35 AM   #19 
  - It seems the supporters of ONLY the 2nd amendment...  Q   Mar-16-05 08:24 AM   #13 
  - You seem to be asserting that supporters of RKBA are automatically  jody   Mar-16-05 08:33 AM   #17 
  - Why would either party even mention supporting the 2nd amendment?  Q   Mar-19-05 08:20 AM   #111 
  - I support ever enumerated right in the Constitution as well as  jody   Mar-16-05 08:34 AM   #18 
     - The question is and remains...  Q   Mar-19-05 08:24 AM   #112 
  - The Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword....therefore the First eom  EVDebs   Mar-16-05 09:10 AM   #21 
  - Lots of Democracies work just fine without unrestricted RKBA  smoogatz   Mar-16-05 09:12 AM   #22 
  - The 1st. And the 2nd is there to protect the 1st. nt  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 09:21 AM   #23 
  - How?  Lone Pawn   Mar-16-05 11:53 AM   #31 
     - So you're saying we should be able to own bazookas and artillery?  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 11:58 AM   #33 
     - Well, if the best justification for the 2nd Amendment is to fight the Army  Lone Pawn   Mar-16-05 12:03 PM   #34 
        - Well, it is the best justification.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:07 PM   #36 
        - LMAO  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:14 PM   #41 
     - I would argue that the second amendment guarantees the right  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 12:48 PM   #49 
     - In Iraq they mostly use explosive devices, actually.  Lone Pawn   Mar-16-05 03:15 PM   #77 
        - I disagree.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 03:33 PM   #81 
     - Not that particular incident...  solinvictus   Mar-18-05 07:24 PM   #97 
  - The nice thing about the Constitution is ...  Love Bug   Mar-16-05 09:23 AM   #24 
  - Do you actually believe that the Bill of Rights is still honored by this..  Q   Mar-16-05 11:52 AM   #30 
  - Daylight  beevul   Mar-16-05 09:56 AM   #25 
  - That's one of the first things a couple of working-class Republicans  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 11:56 AM   #32 
     - How do we get past ...  beevul   Mar-16-05 01:10 PM   #59 
        - Great post. nt  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 01:12 PM   #61 
  - What Did "Militia" Mean When the Bill of Rights Was Adopted?  Coastie for Truth   Mar-16-05 10:31 AM   #26 
  - Damn, when  forgethell   Mar-16-05 10:31 AM   #27 
  - Freedom of religion...  Q   Mar-16-05 11:45 AM   #28 
  - Didn't  forgethell   Mar-16-05 11:52 AM   #29 
  - What peaceful assemblies have been broken up?  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 01:43 PM   #64 
     - i did  forgethell   Mar-16-05 01:51 PM   #66 
        - Open your eyes.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 02:25 PM   #67 
  - The right to arm yourself is what guarantees every other right  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 12:06 PM   #35 
  - Well...it comes down to either...  Q   Mar-16-05 12:33 PM   #46 
     - I'd say you're wrong.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 02:41 PM   #69 
  - Free speech trumps everything !  _TJ_   Mar-16-05 12:07 PM   #37 
  - 1st is the only one that's important (out of the two).  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:08 PM   #38 
  - Yes, 'twas a joyous occassion when that right was repealed! nt  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:11 PM   #39 
     - That kind of a semantic trap is bullshit.  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:13 PM   #40 
        - Unfortunately, it's exactly what you're saying.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:23 PM   #43 
        - eh?  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:25 PM   #44 
           - You said you'd celebrate if the 2nd Amendment was repealed.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:29 PM   #45 
              - I see you already debated that earlier in the thread.  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:35 PM   #47 
                 - Well, it's part of the basis of democracy.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:38 PM   #48 
                 - Guns give them no power, other than the imaginary;  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:49 PM   #50 
                    - Your first paragraph is not my argument.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 12:58 PM   #53 
                       - I do buy the argument that #1 is more important.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 01:11 PM   #60 
                       - I am saying...  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 01:46 PM   #65 
                          - You're working backwards, and effectively  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 02:34 PM   #68 
                          - In the history of the US no party has successfully eliminated democracy.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 02:46 PM   #71 
                             - I agree that the US is not special.  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 02:58 PM   #73 
                 - Then please laugh.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 01:03 PM   #55 
                    - That was an awesome post.  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 01:08 PM   #58 
                    - Good post.  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 01:37 PM   #63 
                    - In keeping with your tinfoil hat theme  davepc   Mar-18-05 05:26 PM   #94 
        - Man do you think all gun owners  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 12:52 PM   #51 
           - Of course not.  Goldmund   Mar-16-05 12:53 PM   #52 
           - Others say the same about health care and education.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-16-05 01:06 PM   #57 
           - Thomas Jefferson disagrees with you  davepc   Mar-18-05 05:21 PM   #92 
           - I don't even OWN a gun. nt  BullGooseLoony   Mar-16-05 01:00 PM   #54 
  - Definately the 1st...  radar   Mar-16-05 01:04 PM   #56 
  - The first, without question...  amjucsc   Mar-16-05 02:58 PM   #75 
  - There's a reason that the 1st comes BEFORE the 2nd.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-16-05 03:07 PM   #76 
  - The Bushies will allow you to keep your guns...  Q   Mar-16-05 04:58 PM   #82 
  - I'll make you guys a deal  derby378   Mar-18-05 03:58 PM   #84 
  - If you watch The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, in Venezuela the right  AP   Mar-18-05 04:03 PM   #85 
  - This whole thing is bullshit...these two amendments don't exclude each...  Township75   Mar-18-05 05:03 PM   #87 
  - Your viewpoint is too reasonable.  Spinoza   Mar-18-05 05:08 PM   #89 
  - If you read carefully...  Q   Mar-18-05 05:19 PM   #91 
     - Maybe we'd have more success fighting for the entire Bill of Rights  davepc   Mar-18-05 05:22 PM   #93 
     - I'm not sure I understand your reference...  Q   Mar-20-05 08:48 AM   #113 
     - Your logic is consistently  Dragonfly   Mar-18-05 07:45 PM   #101 
  - The right to bear arms  Spinoza   Mar-18-05 05:07 PM   #88 
  - They are both important and neither can work without the other. (nt)  w4rma   Mar-18-05 05:13 PM   #90 
  - It seems that the 2nd is 'working' quite well without the first...  Q   Mar-18-05 07:35 PM   #99 
     - Only because you don't really see the 2nd, in action, until the government  w4rma   Mar-18-05 08:54 PM   #103 
        - You're still pretending that these things are far away...  Q   Mar-18-05 09:36 PM   #104 
           - Folks still believe we can pull out of this, politically. And I agree.  w4rma   Mar-18-05 09:44 PM   #105 
              - I disagree...  Q   Mar-19-05 08:13 AM   #110 
  - Killin' is easier to comprehend  Jim4Wes   Mar-18-05 07:27 PM   #98 
  - I understand your humor...  Q   Mar-19-05 07:59 AM   #109 
  - The 'experiment'  Q   Mar-18-05 08:13 PM   #102 
  - The first. Nothing to discuss.  Lizzie Borden   Mar-18-05 09:45 PM   #106 
  - Monarchy / oligarchy is probably what we would have today...  Q   Mar-19-05 07:07 AM   #107 
  - A very interesting POLL on DU about which 'issues to drop'...  Q   Mar-20-05 09:24 AM   #114 
  - Bill of Rights  Q   Mar-20-05 09:28 AM   #115 
  - They're ALL important to democracy!  femme.democratique   Mar-20-05 09:33 AM   #116 
     - That's not in dispute...  Q   Mar-20-05 09:55 AM   #117 
        - I was just beeing cheeky :-)  femme.democratique   Mar-20-05 01:08 PM   #118 
           - I know...  Q   Mar-21-05 04:48 AM   #119 
 

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