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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:15 AM
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11. According to Harry S. Truman:
When you run a Republican against a Republican, a Republican always wins.
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  -Strategic question: is supporting conservative Dems a good thing? Lerkfish  Mar-15-05 07:51 AM   #0 
  - Besides Lieberman And The Two Or Three Remaining Southern Democratic  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 07:54 AM   #1 
  - No.  benburch   Mar-15-05 07:56 AM   #2 
  - Right  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 08:01 AM   #4 
     - You really don't get it, do you?  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:06 AM   #6 
     - "yellow line and dead possums"  Deep13   Mar-15-05 10:14 AM   #60 
        - If they hated blacks would we still want them on our side?  Toots   Mar-15-05 10:42 AM   #67 
           - They don't hate Blacks.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 11:05 AM   #73 
              - But Gays & Women are expendable....  Bridget Burke   Mar-15-05 12:10 PM   #90 
                 - exactly!  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:15 PM   #93 
                 - You're overstating the matter.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 01:15 PM   #114 
     - but is the reason we support conservative dems  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:16 AM   #13 
        - You're right---  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 08:22 AM   #18 
        - Like LBJ Said  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:06 AM   #33 
        - Yes  Deep13   Mar-15-05 02:26 PM   #125 
  - "do a better job of selling progressive dems."  Deep13   Mar-15-05 07:57 AM   #3 
  - I agree completely with you.  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #16 
  - There thou said it.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 10:04 AM   #54 
  - EXACTLY! Half the country are followers  podnoi   Mar-15-05 11:07 AM   #74 
  - thank you!  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:40 AM   #81 
  - Russ Feingold  wallock   Mar-15-05 11:44 AM   #83 
     - Welcome to DU  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:51 PM   #121 
  - Yes, we must purge all kulaks and counterrevolutionaries!  QC   Mar-15-05 08:04 AM   #5 
  - That sort of thinking is why we're so fucked up.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:10 AM   #7 
  - Please see post #8 for some common sense on this issue.  QC   Mar-15-05 08:17 AM   #14 
     - so...only your own view is common sense or reality? ...er...ok.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #15 
        - Amen, brother.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:24 AM   #21 
        - Well, my view is the only one taking account of the facts on the ground,  QC   Mar-15-05 08:30 AM   #23 
           - thank your for your input.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:45 AM   #24 
           - You couldn't be more wrong.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:49 AM   #27 
              - You better not give up your day job for that Psychic Friends Network gig.  QC   Mar-15-05 08:54 AM   #28 
              - But why were they seen as "excessively liberal"?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:59 AM   #29 
              - And they were not particularly Liberal guys, either.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:04 AM   #31 
              - here is the problem  qazplm   Mar-15-05 09:17 AM   #36 
              - What good did having Joe Biden do the other day?  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:20 AM   #38 
                 - last time i checked  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:04 AM   #55 
                    - I disagree.  benburch   Mar-15-05 10:08 AM   #58 
                       - bankruptcy has not been gotten rid of  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:20 AM   #63 
                          - Understand...  benburch   Mar-15-05 10:27 AM   #65 
                             - Like i said,  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:51 AM   #69 
                                - "who do they employ?"  bvar22   Mar-15-05 04:45 PM   #128 
              - Bingo!  QC   Mar-15-05 12:24 PM   #96 
                 - thanks for your thoughtful post...thanks for bearing with me...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:33 PM   #100 
                    - I'm sorry to have misread you.  QC   Mar-15-05 12:50 PM   #106 
                       - no problem, my flaw is that I dont' always explain well...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:56 PM   #109 
              - My "Day Job" is political activism.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:00 AM   #30 
                 - Yes, I am familiar with your work.  QC   Mar-15-05 09:05 AM   #32 
                    - I feel that if I don't use my position to push what I think is right...  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:09 AM   #35 
              - Gore and Kerry  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:53 PM   #122 
  - Nor do we need votes that represent democratic ideals  lojasmo   Mar-15-05 09:54 AM   #51 
     - Without a majority, those ideals and a buck won't even get you  QC   Mar-15-05 12:30 PM   #98 
        - and if the minority is sufficiently capitulating  lojasmo   Mar-15-05 01:28 PM   #118 
  - I'll always support the DINO in a general election,  ktowntennesseedem   Mar-15-05 08:12 AM   #8 
  - Yes, but in the primaries, it is hammer and tongs.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:13 AM   #10 
     - Good point; "remember who elected you."  ktowntennesseedem   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #17 
  - Am not sure "conservative" is the word to use to describe these Dems  flpoljunkie   Mar-15-05 08:12 AM   #9 
  - "Pigs" works, too.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:25 AM   #22 
  - According to Harry S. Truman:  Feles Mala   Mar-15-05 08:15 AM   #11 
  - Give 'em HELL, Harry!  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:23 AM   #19 
  - He Wasn't So Liberal As To Not Drop The Big One On Japan  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:18 AM   #37 
     - And I would have done the same in his shoes.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:24 AM   #39 
        - Note also...  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:28 AM   #41 
        - I Agree...  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:30 AM   #42 
        - Hard not to be a "Hawk" when you become President during a World War!  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:33 AM   #45 
        - My ultra liberal mother still supports its use  Feles Mala   Mar-15-05 01:23 PM   #116 
  - While I love Truman  DrGonzoLives   Mar-15-05 10:03 AM   #53 
  - Okay. A small point  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 10:49 AM   #68 
  - Make an example of Lieberman  Mend   Mar-15-05 08:15 AM   #12 
  - Make an example of as many as possible.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:23 AM   #20 
  - Yes, it is  quaoar   Mar-15-05 08:46 AM   #25 
  - well to be honest  qazplm   Mar-15-05 08:49 AM   #26 
  - Interesting  adwon   Mar-15-05 09:07 AM   #34 
  - thanks for the very thoughtful post...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:28 AM   #40 
     - I'd Like You To Define Your Terms...  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:32 AM   #44 
     - Sure, but I don't think my terms have to determine the discussion  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:38 AM   #46 
     - Depends on the electoral race  adwon   Mar-15-05 10:07 AM   #56 
  - It depends upon the definition of conservative. I will never support a  MrsGrumpy   Mar-15-05 09:30 AM   #43 
  - Exactly! It depends on what you mean by conservative.  MissMarple   Mar-15-05 04:52 PM   #129 
  - Perhaps in their Districts but not nationally....  kentuck   Mar-15-05 09:39 AM   #47 
  - Don't make good the enemy of perfect  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 09:40 AM   #48 
  - thanks for your post...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:48 AM   #50 
     - Consider this  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 09:59 AM   #52 
     - we disagree, but I respect your arguments.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:07 AM   #57 
        - we are not that far off  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:16 AM   #62 
           - with respect, I think you're being naively optimistic.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:34 AM   #66 
              - one, dont see how i am being optimisitic  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:58 AM   #70 
                 - not sure you understood...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:44 AM   #82 
                    - Guys, I am NOT saying we have to be bipartisan  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 11:59 AM   #85 
                    - republicans  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:59 AM   #86 
                       - you misrepresent me...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:08 PM   #89 
                          - again  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:18 PM   #94 
                             - my bad, I explained poorly...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:29 PM   #97 
                                - the DINO  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:42 PM   #103 
                                   - then we'll have to disagree, then.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:44 PM   #105 
     - you seem to be making the assumption  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:13 AM   #59 
        - yes, I'm making an assumption. but I have a question for you...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:27 AM   #64 
           - lets deal in facts then  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:03 AM   #72 
              - unwittingly, you have pointed to the crux of the problem...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:35 AM   #80 
                 - OK..pausing...  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:51 AM   #84 
                    - ok, you didn't pause long enough...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:43 PM   #104 
                       - because  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:57 PM   #110 
                          - so, as long as you believe this...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:02 PM   #112 
                             - huh?  qazplm   Mar-15-05 01:16 PM   #115 
                                - you believe voters are static, this is where we disagree.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:26 PM   #117 
  - Support them? Never. Use them for our own purposes?...  ClassWarrior   Mar-15-05 09:42 AM   #49 
  - "Conservative" Dems have a propensity to vote against the left  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-15-05 10:15 AM   #61 
  - I would like to ask a related question:  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 11:00 AM   #71 
  - Our conservative Dems are more Progressive than their...  ClassWarrior   Mar-15-05 11:16 AM   #75 
  - can you expand on that a little?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:28 AM   #78 
     - as in say,  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 01:12 PM   #113 
        - LOL, no , I mean, expand how that relates to this discussion.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:30 PM   #119 
           - i guess i'm talking about political ideology  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 02:15 PM   #123 
  - I have a conservative Democrat representative: Lincoln Davis.  antigone382   Mar-15-05 11:18 AM   #76 
  - It depends on where the Dem is  StopThePendulum   Mar-15-05 11:27 AM   #77 
  - Amen to this.  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 12:04 PM   #87 
     - ok, but peril of what?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:14 PM   #92 
        - You're misinterpreting the issue...  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 12:33 PM   #99 
           - possibly, but STRATEGICALLY, I question its efficacy longterm.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:37 PM   #101 
              - You can't change a culture (or subculture) overnight  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 03:25 PM   #126 
                 - I'm not suggesting overnight..that's why its a STRATEGY...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 05:10 PM   #130 
  - sometimes it is  amazona   Mar-15-05 11:31 AM   #79 
  - Supporting conservative Dems  fujiyama   Mar-15-05 12:06 PM   #88 
  - thanks for your post...I agree, the primary is the battlefield  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:11 PM   #91 
  - I think it depends on the situation  BlueInRed   Mar-15-05 12:23 PM   #95 
  - thank you, excellent points.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:41 PM   #102 
     - ok  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:52 PM   #107 
     - that's what I hope Dean will do  BlueInRed   Mar-15-05 12:56 PM   #108 
        - good points..I think crediblity is one of the casualties, here.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:59 PM   #111 
  - I'm having a real struggle with this one  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:49 PM   #120 
  - no, that's fine...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 02:20 PM   #124 
  - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Stop_the_War   Mar-15-05 03:42 PM   #127 
 

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