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9. Am not sure "conservative" is the word to use to describe these Dems
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 08:12 AM by flpoljunkie
who vote with Republicans--they are neocons and corporate shills. This is why they vote with Republicans. Of course, many Republicans are not "conservative" either, as we well know, right-wing corporate shills who use values issues as wedges to get themselves returned to office so they can vote against these folks economic interests.

We need a way to communicate with Americans that Democrats are the real daddy party, the responsible party, and that Republicans are not voting in their best interests.

However, allowing the bankruptcy bill to come to cloture, and thus get passed in the Senate, does not help the Democrats in this regard one iota.
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  -Strategic question: is supporting conservative Dems a good thing? Lerkfish  Mar-15-05 07:51 AM   #0 
  - Besides Lieberman And The Two Or Three Remaining Southern Democratic  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 07:54 AM   #1 
  - No.  benburch   Mar-15-05 07:56 AM   #2 
  - Right  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 08:01 AM   #4 
     - You really don't get it, do you?  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:06 AM   #6 
     - "yellow line and dead possums"  Deep13   Mar-15-05 10:14 AM   #60 
        - If they hated blacks would we still want them on our side?  Toots   Mar-15-05 10:42 AM   #67 
           - They don't hate Blacks.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 11:05 AM   #73 
              - But Gays & Women are expendable....  Bridget Burke   Mar-15-05 12:10 PM   #90 
                 - exactly!  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:15 PM   #93 
                 - You're overstating the matter.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 01:15 PM   #114 
     - but is the reason we support conservative dems  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:16 AM   #13 
        - You're right---  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 08:22 AM   #18 
        - Like LBJ Said  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:06 AM   #33 
        - Yes  Deep13   Mar-15-05 02:26 PM   #125 
  - "do a better job of selling progressive dems."  Deep13   Mar-15-05 07:57 AM   #3 
  - I agree completely with you.  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #16 
  - There thou said it.  Deep13   Mar-15-05 10:04 AM   #54 
  - EXACTLY! Half the country are followers  podnoi   Mar-15-05 11:07 AM   #74 
  - thank you!  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:40 AM   #81 
  - Russ Feingold  wallock   Mar-15-05 11:44 AM   #83 
     - Welcome to DU  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:51 PM   #121 
  - Yes, we must purge all kulaks and counterrevolutionaries!  QC   Mar-15-05 08:04 AM   #5 
  - That sort of thinking is why we're so fucked up.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:10 AM   #7 
  - Please see post #8 for some common sense on this issue.  QC   Mar-15-05 08:17 AM   #14 
     - so...only your own view is common sense or reality? ...er...ok.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #15 
        - Amen, brother.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:24 AM   #21 
        - Well, my view is the only one taking account of the facts on the ground,  QC   Mar-15-05 08:30 AM   #23 
           - thank your for your input.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:45 AM   #24 
           - You couldn't be more wrong.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:49 AM   #27 
              - You better not give up your day job for that Psychic Friends Network gig.  QC   Mar-15-05 08:54 AM   #28 
              - But why were they seen as "excessively liberal"?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 08:59 AM   #29 
              - And they were not particularly Liberal guys, either.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:04 AM   #31 
              - here is the problem  qazplm   Mar-15-05 09:17 AM   #36 
              - What good did having Joe Biden do the other day?  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:20 AM   #38 
                 - last time i checked  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:04 AM   #55 
                    - I disagree.  benburch   Mar-15-05 10:08 AM   #58 
                       - bankruptcy has not been gotten rid of  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:20 AM   #63 
                          - Understand...  benburch   Mar-15-05 10:27 AM   #65 
                             - Like i said,  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:51 AM   #69 
                                - "who do they employ?"  bvar22   Mar-15-05 04:45 PM   #128 
              - Bingo!  QC   Mar-15-05 12:24 PM   #96 
                 - thanks for your thoughtful post...thanks for bearing with me...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:33 PM   #100 
                    - I'm sorry to have misread you.  QC   Mar-15-05 12:50 PM   #106 
                       - no problem, my flaw is that I dont' always explain well...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:56 PM   #109 
              - My "Day Job" is political activism.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:00 AM   #30 
                 - Yes, I am familiar with your work.  QC   Mar-15-05 09:05 AM   #32 
                    - I feel that if I don't use my position to push what I think is right...  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:09 AM   #35 
              - Gore and Kerry  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:53 PM   #122 
  - Nor do we need votes that represent democratic ideals  lojasmo   Mar-15-05 09:54 AM   #51 
     - Without a majority, those ideals and a buck won't even get you  QC   Mar-15-05 12:30 PM   #98 
        - and if the minority is sufficiently capitulating  lojasmo   Mar-15-05 01:28 PM   #118 
  - I'll always support the DINO in a general election,  ktowntennesseedem   Mar-15-05 08:12 AM   #8 
  - Yes, but in the primaries, it is hammer and tongs.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:13 AM   #10 
     - Good point; "remember who elected you."  ktowntennesseedem   Mar-15-05 08:20 AM   #17 
  - Am not sure "conservative" is the word to use to describe these Dems  flpoljunkie   Mar-15-05 08:12 AM   #9 
  - "Pigs" works, too.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:25 AM   #22 
  - According to Harry S. Truman:  Feles Mala   Mar-15-05 08:15 AM   #11 
  - Give 'em HELL, Harry!  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:23 AM   #19 
  - He Wasn't So Liberal As To Not Drop The Big One On Japan  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:18 AM   #37 
     - And I would have done the same in his shoes.  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:24 AM   #39 
        - Note also...  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:28 AM   #41 
        - I Agree...  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:30 AM   #42 
        - Hard not to be a "Hawk" when you become President during a World War!  benburch   Mar-15-05 09:33 AM   #45 
        - My ultra liberal mother still supports its use  Feles Mala   Mar-15-05 01:23 PM   #116 
  - While I love Truman  DrGonzoLives   Mar-15-05 10:03 AM   #53 
  - Okay. A small point  charlyvi   Mar-15-05 10:49 AM   #68 
  - Make an example of Lieberman  Mend   Mar-15-05 08:15 AM   #12 
  - Make an example of as many as possible.  benburch   Mar-15-05 08:23 AM   #20 
  - Yes, it is  quaoar   Mar-15-05 08:46 AM   #25 
  - well to be honest  qazplm   Mar-15-05 08:49 AM   #26 
  - Interesting  adwon   Mar-15-05 09:07 AM   #34 
  - thanks for the very thoughtful post...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:28 AM   #40 
     - I'd Like You To Define Your Terms...  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-15-05 09:32 AM   #44 
     - Sure, but I don't think my terms have to determine the discussion  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:38 AM   #46 
     - Depends on the electoral race  adwon   Mar-15-05 10:07 AM   #56 
  - It depends upon the definition of conservative. I will never support a  MrsGrumpy   Mar-15-05 09:30 AM   #43 
  - Exactly! It depends on what you mean by conservative.  MissMarple   Mar-15-05 04:52 PM   #129 
  - Perhaps in their Districts but not nationally....  kentuck   Mar-15-05 09:39 AM   #47 
  - Don't make good the enemy of perfect  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 09:40 AM   #48 
  - thanks for your post...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 09:48 AM   #50 
     - Consider this  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 09:59 AM   #52 
     - we disagree, but I respect your arguments.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:07 AM   #57 
        - we are not that far off  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:16 AM   #62 
           - with respect, I think you're being naively optimistic.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:34 AM   #66 
              - one, dont see how i am being optimisitic  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:58 AM   #70 
                 - not sure you understood...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:44 AM   #82 
                    - Guys, I am NOT saying we have to be bipartisan  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 11:59 AM   #85 
                    - republicans  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:59 AM   #86 
                       - you misrepresent me...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:08 PM   #89 
                          - again  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:18 PM   #94 
                             - my bad, I explained poorly...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:29 PM   #97 
                                - the DINO  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:42 PM   #103 
                                   - then we'll have to disagree, then.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:44 PM   #105 
     - you seem to be making the assumption  qazplm   Mar-15-05 10:13 AM   #59 
        - yes, I'm making an assumption. but I have a question for you...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 10:27 AM   #64 
           - lets deal in facts then  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:03 AM   #72 
              - unwittingly, you have pointed to the crux of the problem...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:35 AM   #80 
                 - OK..pausing...  qazplm   Mar-15-05 11:51 AM   #84 
                    - ok, you didn't pause long enough...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:43 PM   #104 
                       - because  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:57 PM   #110 
                          - so, as long as you believe this...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:02 PM   #112 
                             - huh?  qazplm   Mar-15-05 01:16 PM   #115 
                                - you believe voters are static, this is where we disagree.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:26 PM   #117 
  - Support them? Never. Use them for our own purposes?...  ClassWarrior   Mar-15-05 09:42 AM   #49 
  - "Conservative" Dems have a propensity to vote against the left  Norquist Nemesis   Mar-15-05 10:15 AM   #61 
  - I would like to ask a related question:  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 11:00 AM   #71 
  - Our conservative Dems are more Progressive than their...  ClassWarrior   Mar-15-05 11:16 AM   #75 
  - can you expand on that a little?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 11:28 AM   #78 
     - as in say,  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 01:12 PM   #113 
        - LOL, no , I mean, expand how that relates to this discussion.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 01:30 PM   #119 
           - i guess i'm talking about political ideology  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-05 02:15 PM   #123 
  - I have a conservative Democrat representative: Lincoln Davis.  antigone382   Mar-15-05 11:18 AM   #76 
  - It depends on where the Dem is  StopThePendulum   Mar-15-05 11:27 AM   #77 
  - Amen to this.  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 12:04 PM   #87 
     - ok, but peril of what?  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:14 PM   #92 
        - You're misinterpreting the issue...  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 12:33 PM   #99 
           - possibly, but STRATEGICALLY, I question its efficacy longterm.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:37 PM   #101 
              - You can't change a culture (or subculture) overnight  Can o Beans   Mar-15-05 03:25 PM   #126 
                 - I'm not suggesting overnight..that's why its a STRATEGY...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 05:10 PM   #130 
  - sometimes it is  amazona   Mar-15-05 11:31 AM   #79 
  - Supporting conservative Dems  fujiyama   Mar-15-05 12:06 PM   #88 
  - thanks for your post...I agree, the primary is the battlefield  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:11 PM   #91 
  - I think it depends on the situation  BlueInRed   Mar-15-05 12:23 PM   #95 
  - thank you, excellent points.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:41 PM   #102 
     - ok  qazplm   Mar-15-05 12:52 PM   #107 
     - that's what I hope Dean will do  BlueInRed   Mar-15-05 12:56 PM   #108 
        - good points..I think crediblity is one of the casualties, here.  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 12:59 PM   #111 
  - I'm having a real struggle with this one  wryter2000   Mar-15-05 01:49 PM   #120 
  - no, that's fine...  Lerkfish   Mar-15-05 02:20 PM   #124 
  - NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Stop_the_War   Mar-15-05 03:42 PM   #127 
 

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