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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:01 PM
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52. I can't tell if this semantic fog of yours has a purpose
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 12:05 PM by jpgray
My posts are written in plain English. Anyway, I'll act as though your ignorance of their meaning is genuine:

1. We do not fully understand the human brain. We do not even marginally understand it. The results of physical damage to it are not all predictable to us, and the results of mental or emotional damage to it are not at all predictable to us.

2. It is not a good idea to radically change something we do not fully understand. It is not a good idea to make radical physical or mental/emotional alterations when we have only the thinnest idea of how such things affect the brain.

That's the entirety of my argument. The analogue of the natural world makes perfect sense--here is another instance where what seems to us to be only slight trauma can have far-reaching ramifications no one is able to predict, and even after the fact some of the damage is still wholly inepxlicable to our top experts. That's what happens when one makes radical changes to an extremely complex system one doesn't understand. What you're talking about with Hawking is rather superficial--it is much nearer a level where we understand the risks and benefits fairly well. All I've been arguing is that there is another level that we simply shouldn't go blundering into. Again, are you arguing that this is not the case?
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  -neuroscientist has wired the human brain to a computer.... frightening!!! ElsewheresDaughter  Mar-14-05 08:37 AM   #0 
  - I'm not sure how the author makes that leap...  AP   Mar-14-05 08:39 AM   #1 
  - it has been done. heard them talking about it on NPR....posted link above  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 08:43 AM   #2 
  - hysterical ludditism?  Mizmoon   Mar-14-05 09:08 AM   #13 
  - Frighteningly cool!  Dufaeth   Mar-14-05 08:45 AM   #3 
  - you won't have to wait it is here & the Defense Department is funding it!  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 08:47 AM   #4 
     - I won't be happy until they transplant my bain into a robot.  Dufaeth   Mar-14-05 08:53 AM   #6 
     - why are you immobile?  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 08:56 AM   #8 
     - This weak flesh is like immobility  Dufaeth   Mar-14-05 08:59 AM   #10 
     - Amen - at least then one can oil the joints!  papau   Mar-14-05 08:57 AM   #9 
     - The ghouls are interested in a brain-computer interface for warfare...  Lone_Wolf   Mar-14-05 09:02 AM   #11 
        - makes the movie "The Terminator" prophetic then and not just fiction IMHO  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 09:05 AM   #12 
        - And think of the jam sessions you could have in your basement  Dr_eldritch   Mar-14-05 09:36 AM   #23 
  - The dilemma of ethics  pnutchuck   Mar-14-05 08:51 AM   #5 
  - We've all pretty much in the west decided that we have no  igil   Mar-14-05 12:06 PM   #54 
  - Sometimes, because you can, doesn't mean you should. nt  Skidmore   Mar-14-05 08:54 AM   #7 
  - Amen, Skidmore, amen. n/t  vickiss   Mar-14-05 09:25 AM   #19 
  - What?  mexicoxpat   Mar-14-05 09:08 AM   #14 
  - are you kidding me? ..within hours of the wright brothers 1st flight the..  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 09:14 AM   #17 
     - So are you saying you wish we didn't have airplanes?  AP   Mar-14-05 09:40 AM   #25 
        - 1 commercial jet taking off uses the fuel equivalent to 20,000 cars...  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 09:48 AM   #27 
           - Avg mpg/passenger of a pasenger jet is about 33mpg/person. Would you  AP   Mar-14-05 10:57 AM   #32 
  - I wonder how the computer can separate the  patsified   Mar-14-05 09:11 AM   #15 
  - Until  undergroundpanther   Mar-14-05 09:33 AM   #21 
     - EXACTLY!!! are spot on!  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 09:36 AM   #22 
     - That is the post of the day!  patsified   Mar-14-05 09:41 AM   #26 
        - aww thanks  undergroundpanther   Mar-14-05 10:23 AM   #29 
  - Kind of reminds me of the movies  Katidid   Mar-14-05 09:12 AM   #16 
  - RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.  Village Idiot   Mar-14-05 09:18 AM   #18 
  - This is wonderful.  Dr_eldritch   Mar-14-05 09:31 AM   #20 
  - thank you!  tigereye   Mar-14-05 12:57 PM   #63 
  - Behold and Beware  IanDB1   Mar-14-05 09:39 AM   #24 
  - The genie will soon be out of the bottle...  TreasonousBastard   Mar-14-05 10:13 AM   #28 
  - cyberware / wetware / bionics / implants  w4rma   Mar-14-05 10:42 AM   #30 
  - then imho you are in dire need of an ophthalmologist  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 10:54 AM   #31 
     - You're in dire need of a more coherent argument.  AP   Mar-14-05 10:58 AM   #33 
     - Dr Kennedy stated his concerns for the dangers for abuse....  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 11:18 AM   #36 
     - I was just reading all your posts in this thread looking for a coherent  AP   Mar-14-05 11:25 AM   #39 
        - i'm sorry , but, there are a few on this thread doing a fine job, jpgray  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-14-05 11:37 AM   #43 
           - which post?  AP   Mar-14-05 11:51 AM   #50 
     - Then I'll provide one  jpgray   Mar-14-05 11:24 AM   #38 
        - Human beings have a huge capacity for alleviating suffering and making...  AP   Mar-14-05 11:29 AM   #40 
           - Making fundamental changes to something you don't understand is a bad idea  jpgray   Mar-14-05 11:36 AM   #42 
              - And how is that relevant to the article above?  AP   Mar-14-05 11:44 AM   #45 
                 - Oh, so you are only arguing with yourself  jpgray   Mar-14-05 11:48 AM   #47 
                    - ...and you're not going to answer my question?  AP   Mar-14-05 11:51 AM   #49 
                       - I can't tell if this semantic fog of yours has a purpose  jpgray   Mar-14-05 12:01 PM   #52 
                          - I'm going to interpret the nastiness is a sign of a weak argument  AP   Mar-14-05 12:10 PM   #56 
                             - Now we have direct, purposed misinterpretation from you, AP  jpgray   Mar-14-05 12:17 PM   #57 
                                - This line of argument is absurd. "Purposed misinterpretation?" Whatever.  AP   Mar-14-05 12:31 PM   #61 
     - What's the ethical delima? That folks won't have to rely on memorization  w4rma   Mar-14-05 11:08 AM   #34 
        - You first buddy.  Mizmoon   Mar-14-05 11:11 AM   #35 
        - Fine with me. (nt)  w4rma   Mar-14-05 11:20 AM   #37 
        - See post 40.  AP   Mar-14-05 11:30 AM   #41 
        - Most curious thing I've read all day  jpgray   Mar-14-05 11:40 AM   #44 
           - The difference is  w4rma   Mar-14-05 11:45 AM   #46 
              - Memorization is an important cognitive skill  jpgray   Mar-14-05 11:50 AM   #48 
                 - Accessing your brain's memory, accurately and quickly is important  w4rma   Mar-14-05 11:57 AM   #51 
                    - Why memorize something if you can look it up instantly?  jpgray   Mar-14-05 12:03 PM   #53 
                    - Would you rather folks developed critical thinking skills or memorization  w4rma   Mar-14-05 12:10 PM   #55 
                       - I don't see the two as mutually exclusive  jpgray   Mar-14-05 12:25 PM   #59 
                          - Word Problems  w4rma   Mar-14-05 01:00 PM   #64 
                    - I'm not so sure you can separate good use of cognition from  igil   Mar-14-05 12:19 PM   #58 
                       - Which is why there will be no  w4rma   Mar-14-05 12:38 PM   #62 
  - run away!!!run away!!!  bvar22   Mar-14-05 12:27 PM   #60 

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