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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 03:08 PM
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75. Insistence that the entire bill be tossed reveals a lack of understanding
about complex legislation, not to mention, what's in the law itself Interestingly, it seems that those who are demanding that the entire thing be repealed are far less knowledgeable about its provisions - good and bad - than those who are urging a more surgical approach to the issue.
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  -When Kerry said "There are good parts of the Patriot Act" he lost my vote skjpm  Jan-22-04 01:43 PM   #0 
  - Hence the "UNELECTABILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!" of J. Forbes Kerry.  robsul82   Jan-22-04 01:45 PM   #1 
  - Tell that to the Iowa Dems  sangha   Jan-22-04 01:47 PM   #3 
     - And 50 million Americans - not just partisans in a single Midwest state...  robsul82   Jan-22-04 01:49 PM   #9 
  - There are good points to the PATRIOT Act  sangha   Jan-22-04 01:46 PM   #2 
  - I personally would like to hear Kerry tell us what he meant, which parts  hlthe2b   Jan-22-04 01:49 PM   #7 
     - An eminently reasonable request  sangha   Jan-22-04 01:50 PM   #11 
     - 'Tis true. I'd like to hear it myself.  robsul82   Jan-22-04 01:52 PM   #13 
     - One Positive Aspect  Printer70   Jan-22-04 01:55 PM   #15 
        - and tracking off shore money is needed - but the GOP hides from IRS  papau   Jan-22-04 03:15 PM   #76 
  - Ok, vote for someone who like ALL of the Patriot Act  TheDonkey   Jan-22-04 01:48 PM   #4 
  - Well, to be fair, he probably hasn't read it. He's a Senator.  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 01:48 PM   #5 
  - LOL  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:22 PM   #34 
  - The TRUTH is spoken!!!! What they read is some polls, not the bills  edzontar   Jan-22-04 02:42 PM   #62 
  - BWAHAHAHAHAHA  Snivi Yllom   Jan-22-04 03:33 PM   #80 
  - Do you think Dean has read it?  beaconess   Jan-22-04 03:45 PM   #87 
  - ABB!  FreeperSlayer   Jan-22-04 01:48 PM   #6 
  - There are hundreds of pages in the Patriot Act.  eyesroll   Jan-22-04 01:49 PM   #8 
  - You're plain wrong. There were ideas in the Patriot Act that were from  blm   Jan-22-04 01:50 PM   #10 
  - I think you're in the minority  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 01:52 PM   #12 
  - Indeed he is. The Patriot Act and the Crusade are both very popular  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 01:54 PM   #14 
  - the Patriot Act is extremely unpopular  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:04 PM   #22 
     - I see no people in the streets. Checked the DC Webcam  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:14 PM   #27 
        - candidates are constantly getting asked about it  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:24 PM   #36 
           - All but one member of congress voted for it without reading it. Please  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:28 PM   #42 
           - you've put your finger on where we disagree  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:36 PM   #50 
              - In the US the people have right of redress. Politicians are EMPLOYEES  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:44 PM   #64 
           - Yes, Dem voters ask about it  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:29 PM   #43 
  - I don't think it's nuance--I think it's spinelessness  skjpm   Jan-22-04 01:57 PM   #18 
     - If you had a strong argument  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:00 PM   #19 
     - Mein Kampf has good parts too  skjpm   Jan-22-04 02:07 PM   #24 
        - Mein Kampf isn't law. It's a book  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:14 PM   #26 
        - because it's true  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:15 PM   #29 
     - I agree with you.  barbaraann   Jan-22-04 02:02 PM   #20 
     - Really?  beaconess   Jan-22-04 02:32 PM   #46 
     - that's what I'm talking about  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:07 PM   #23 
  - It was another dumbass vote  Forkboy   Jan-22-04 01:56 PM   #16 
  - Excuse me ...  Iverson   Jan-22-04 01:56 PM   #17 
  - skjpm, are you there?  Iverson   Jan-22-04 04:52 PM   #90 
  - Even the biggest opponents of U.S.A.-Patriot admit that there are  genius   Jan-22-04 02:03 PM   #21 
  - even Al Gore  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:10 PM   #25 
     - And Dean and Dennis Kucinich  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:15 PM   #28 
     - Um, no, Kucinich did not.  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:24 PM   #35 
        - Neither did Dean  JVS   Jan-22-04 02:25 PM   #37 
        - 1 out of 3 ain't bad  Forkboy   Jan-22-04 02:27 PM   #40 
        - You're all wrong  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:32 PM   #47 
           - OK I see it now - but you're still wrong  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:34 PM   #49 
              - "He says there are good parts"  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:40 PM   #58 
                 - Yes inded, it's all perception.  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:47 PM   #67 
                    - I'm definitely down with that  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:50 PM   #70 
        - Yes  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:27 PM   #41 
        - Dean also thinks there are good parts to the PATRIOT Act  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:33 PM   #48 
        - I think anyone familiar with intelligence agrees  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:36 PM   #54 
        - I don't disagree with that  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:41 PM   #59 
        - Here's what had to say about civil liberties on 9/13/2001  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:38 PM   #56 
        - He is not as distinguished in his opposition as Kucinich  JVS   Jan-22-04 02:36 PM   #53 
        - He didn't vote against it, either  beaconess   Jan-22-04 02:57 PM   #73 
        - I don't believe that Kucinich read the bill before voting  beaconess   Jan-22-04 02:36 PM   #52 
           - Your nitpick is duly noted ;-)  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:40 PM   #57 
     - because he is a politician, and the bush doctrine is also very popular  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:18 PM   #32 
        - even the ACLU, then  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:32 PM   #45 
           - Yes, support for both Patriot Act and crusade is overwhelming  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:38 PM   #55 
              - that;s what makes them credible  Cocoa   Jan-22-04 02:42 PM   #61 
              - LOL and I think you will find that those absolutely necessary changes  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:50 PM   #69 
                 - Stop it!  redqueen   Jan-22-04 03:21 PM   #78 
              - DT--I agree with you in general, but renewal of Patriot got booed  edzontar   Jan-22-04 02:49 PM   #68 
                 - And it is great to see any small objection to it, but if you watch Fox  DuctapeFatwa   Jan-22-04 02:54 PM   #72 
                 - Not quite  beaconess   Jan-22-04 03:01 PM   #74 
  - There is good and bad in most bills. The recent ones are compromises  bigtree   Jan-22-04 02:16 PM   #30 
  - I dunno  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:18 PM   #31 
  - As much as I am not a big Kerry or PATRIOT act fan...  absyntheNsugar   Jan-22-04 02:19 PM   #33 
  - Oh and by the way - Ben Franklin Patriot Act  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:26 PM   #38 
  - Rep Kucinich's webcast was a breath of fresh air  bigtree   Jan-22-04 02:30 PM   #44 
     - Yes, I agree  redqueen   Jan-22-04 02:42 PM   #60 
        - Aw, you know, I think all of the candidates are for the good  bigtree   Jan-22-04 03:45 PM   # 
  - I don’t trust anyone who puts  Bushknew   Jan-22-04 02:27 PM   #39 
  - Bumpersticker politics are intellectually dishonest  zulchzulu   Jan-22-04 02:36 PM   #51 
  - "increased penalties for terrorists"????  sangha   Jan-22-04 02:45 PM   #66 
  - My sig line says it all  HeLovedBigBrother   Jan-22-04 02:43 PM   #63 
  - What else could you expect? From a guy still defending the IWR.  bandera   Jan-22-04 02:44 PM   #65 
  - I would expect  bigtree   Jan-22-04 03:48 PM   #88 
  - Dagnabbit  redqueen   Jan-22-04 04:01 PM   #89 
  - You must not like Nadine Strossen either, the president of the ACLU.  poopyjr   Jan-22-04 02:52 PM   #71 
  - Insistence that the entire bill be tossed reveals a lack of understanding  beaconess   Jan-22-04 03:08 PM   #75 
  - If you don't like Kerry's position on an issue , just wait 24 hours  Cheswick   Jan-22-04 03:20 PM   #77 
  - Confederate flag and taxes?  poopyjr   Jan-22-04 03:34 PM   #83 
  - Medicare and Affirmative Action  sangha   Jan-22-04 03:43 PM   #84 
     - Yucca Mountain anyone?  sangha   Jan-22-04 03:44 PM   #85 
  - Do you have a link to back up that charge?  blm   Jan-22-04 03:45 PM   #86 
  - There are good parts in the Patriot Act  mot78   Jan-22-04 03:25 PM   #79 
  - Exactly  beaconess   Jan-22-04 03:33 PM   #82 
  - "Ending the Era of John Ashcroft" Kerry speech on Patriot Act  emulatorloo   Jan-22-04 03:33 PM   #81 
 

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