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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 11:45 AM
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18. No, we need to find a way to promote and nurture true democratic
movements in the middle-east. A stage-managed vote that just somehow comes out supporting bush cronies in Iraq is not indicative of developing democracy. A show vote in Palestine, when the Israeli's have the military veto, is not indicative of developing democracy. A popular uprising in Lebanon, forcing the resignation of the pro-Syrian government might be -- but we need to see what they will replace it with. Will Lebanon return to being the most westernized, most cosmopolitan, most liberal country of the Muslim world, as it was before the civil war and 20 years occupation by Israel and 10 years occupation by Syria? As a side note, Was Lebanon a democracy before the civil war? I remember there were power sharing agreements between the christians and muslims, but I don't remember how they selected their chief executive and their government.

I'm not saying that Muslim countries are incapable of democracy. I'm saying that unless democracy is brought about by popular action, rather than imposed by an invading force, it will not survive. Remember, Weimar Germany, democracy imposed by the victors of WWI, survived for only 12 years before Hitler was voted into power.
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  -I find it quite disturbing that Bush is now getting credit for... PROGRESSIVE1  Mar-04-05 11:21 AM   #0 
  - It's a taxpayer-funded, deceptive propaganda campaign,....  Just Me   Mar-04-05 11:23 AM   #1 
  - remember it's a war that will not stop ---- it's about oil and the dollar  cthrumatrix   Mar-04-05 11:49 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-05 11:24 AM   #2 
  - Whah? Discrediting the democratic movements in the Middle East...  Zenlitened   Mar-04-05 11:29 AM   #6 
  - No. We need to reveal the neoCONs for who they really are,....  Just Me   Mar-04-05 11:30 AM   #8 
  - Just go read some Lebanese newspapers online  Clark2008   Mar-04-05 11:38 AM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-05 11:45 AM   #19 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-05 11:49 AM   #22 
  - No, we need to find a way to promote and nurture true democratic  NCevilDUer   Mar-04-05 11:45 AM   #18 
  - Ummm...NOBODY wants to discredit democratic movements here...  jab105   Mar-04-05 12:04 PM   #27 
  - Look...if ten years from now real democracies exist in Iraq and Lebanon  theboss   Mar-04-05 11:26 AM   #3 
  - It will be even more impressive if a real democracy still  Skidmore   Mar-04-05 11:27 AM   #4 
  - Well, that would be a plus  theboss   Mar-04-05 11:28 AM   #5 
  - I don't suppose you would consider crediting the Iraqis and Lebanese,...  Just Me   Mar-04-05 11:31 AM   #9 
     - Of course  theboss   Mar-04-05 11:36 AM   #12 
        - I imagine they would set up a statue to celebrate their survival,...  Just Me   Mar-04-05 11:44 AM   #17 
  - * will never smell like a rose  wtmusic   Mar-04-05 11:30 AM   #7 
  - Don't get stressed over a pig with lipstick,  DulceDecorum   Mar-04-05 11:32 AM   #10 
  - The other foot  AValdoux   Mar-04-05 11:34 AM   #11 
  - And that's what they will be  Clark2008   Mar-04-05 11:41 AM   #14 
     - Lebenon will back Hezbollah, are you sure?  PROGRESSIVE1   Mar-04-05 11:41 AM   #15 
        - No, I'm not "sure,"  Clark2008   Mar-04-05 11:43 AM   #16 
           - hezbollah runs a huge  Warren Stupidity   Mar-04-05 11:59 AM   #25 
  - What the hell is 'democracy' anyway?  stillcool47   Mar-04-05 11:45 AM   #20 
  - So you must still have  AG78   Mar-04-05 11:52 AM   #23 
  - "Humanity just doesn't work" - ?  2diagnosis   Mar-04-05 01:13 PM   #28 
  - I wouldn't lose sleep over this. (NT)  Warren Stupidity   Mar-04-05 11:53 AM   #24 
  - remember the furn`n press has an entirely  madrchsod   Mar-04-05 11:59 AM   #26 
 

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