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SoCalifer Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 03:22 AM
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3. Interesting Point
I like their contrast when comparing the War On Drugs to illustrate the complete cherry picking hypocrisy of the Repubs.

On one hand (and this is one case I totally agree with Repubs) you have Repubs arguing that if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns. Of course the point being that since criminals don't abide by laws anyway, which is what makes them criminals in the first place, then all that is accomplished with gun control laws is the disarming of law abiding citizens. And with that being the case; the criminal can approach crime (especially home invasion) with much more confidence knowing that he is far less likely to encounter someone armed to defend themselves.

Now on the other hand (and this is where Repubs do a total Flip-Flop on this line of thinking) is the War On Drugs. They totally throw out the door the concept of no government intrusion in our personal private lives. They totally throw out the door that by making a personal activity illegal all you accomplish is to create a criminal black market which only serves to make matters worse. And they totally throw out the door the concept of law and order in a free society by having having laws to punish those who misuse their liberty, resulting in injury of one kind or another to another person.

They understand the concept of freedom, liberty, law and order on one hand, but completely throw that concept out the door on the other hand and resort to police state type repressive laws. And on top of that fail to see how that only serves to makes matters worse.


P.S. I don't know about anybody else, but besides only criminals having access to guns, I am just as equally uncomfortable with only the government having guns -- (history is full of genocide when this is the case).




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  -Republican hypocrisy: Gun control vs. Nuisance Lawsuits InternalDialogue  Feb-28-05 11:23 PM   #0 
  - Works for me...  bossfish   Mar-01-05 12:40 AM   #1 
  - 3000 dead a month in the USA by gun mishaps (murder, accident, suicide).  applegrove   Mar-01-05 01:37 AM   #2 
  - 35,000 a month die from tobacco  Toots   Mar-01-05 10:39 AM   #6 
  - Murders and suicides are not mishaps  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 10:54 AM   #8 
  - I don't think I'd call murder and suicide mishaps.  ArkDem   Mar-01-05 10:56 AM   #9 
     - I should have put 'mishaps' in quotes. I thought it was obvious but  applegrove   Mar-01-05 03:37 PM   #11 
        - We already did that in 1934  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 04:57 PM   #15 
           - Wookay - it is only 16,000 people killed and most of those are young?  applegrove   Mar-01-05 05:33 PM   #17 
              - The glass is half-empty of half-full  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 05:48 PM   #19 
                 - Truly innocent people rarely get murdered? What planet are you on?  applegrove   Mar-01-05 07:49 PM   #20 
                    - About half of murders involve gang activity  slackmaster   Mar-02-05 09:12 AM   #22 
                       - And if there were not guns available to make teenagers more dangerous  applegrove   Mar-03-05 12:00 AM   #25 
  - Interesting Point  SoCalifer   Mar-01-05 03:22 AM   #3 
  - Accidental account for a very small percentage of shootings  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 09:45 AM   #4 
  - That sort of backs my main point.  InternalDialogue   Mar-01-05 10:20 AM   #5 
     - There is a consistency in their inconsistency  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 10:48 AM   #7 
        - I understand your point.  InternalDialogue   Mar-01-05 11:04 AM   #10 
        - But that is why they are being sued because they do promote the NRA  applegrove   Mar-01-05 03:48 PM   #12 
           - I oppose all unfair and baseless lawsuits  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 04:52 PM   #14 
              - There you go. So can Civic leaders in Watts not sue these companies?  applegrove   Mar-01-05 05:31 PM   #16 
                 - Funding the NRA is protected as free political speech  slackmaster   Mar-01-05 05:42 PM   #18 
                    - And they have lots of funding. I've noticed that when I casually mention  applegrove   Mar-01-05 08:25 PM   #21 
                       - Who is your remark directed toward?  slackmaster   Mar-02-05 09:15 AM   #23 
                          - I am getting old. I've seen the 'don't touch the gun company' debate take  applegrove   Mar-02-05 11:56 PM   #24 
                             - Guns are quite safe for the operator  slackmaster   Mar-03-05 09:10 AM   #26 
                                - They could be locked away in an other safe place by law - for the  applegrove   Mar-03-05 12:36 PM   #27 
                                   - Excellent rant  slackmaster   Mar-03-05 12:58 PM   #28 
                                      - Well if someone stole a car and rammed it into a schoolyard like  applegrove   Mar-03-05 05:15 PM   #29 
                                         - Here's one for you  slackmaster   Mar-03-05 05:35 PM   #30 
                                            - I meant pattern not battern - see I was sleepy !!! Yeah arrest me -  applegrove   Mar-03-05 10:38 PM   #31 
                                               - Bad stereotyping  slackmaster   Mar-04-05 10:18 AM   #32 
                                                  - I was kidding about the being a kid. Yes words are important.  applegrove   Mar-05-05 08:10 PM   #33 
                                                     - And the relevance of that tragic crime to this thread is...?  slackmaster   Mar-06-05 09:27 AM   #34 
                                                     - Are you saying it wouldn't be a nuissance suit? That is a good  applegrove   Mar-06-05 06:58 PM   #35 
                                                     - "...had to have come from the USA illegally...."?????????????  slackmaster   Mar-07-05 09:46 AM   #36 
                                                     - Right. And the shores of Nova Scotia are known for the tons and  applegrove   Mar-07-05 07:02 PM   #38 
                                                     - The H&K G3 was never available to US civilians  slackmaster   Mar-07-05 08:05 PM   #39 
                                                     - The plot thickens. It turns out that NRA was really popular in Alberta  applegrove   Mar-08-05 06:22 PM   #40 
                                                     - What kind of "assault rifle"? The type is relevant.  slackmaster   Mar-08-05 06:38 PM   #41 
                                                     - Which is why we woman hate the 'arms race' . Turns out this psychopath  applegrove   Mar-08-05 06:52 PM   #42 
                                                     - You still have not provided a shred of evidence the rifle came from here  slackmaster   Mar-08-05 07:01 PM   #43 
                                                     - I did not stereotype mid-westerners. I stereotyped criminals getting  applegrove   Mar-08-05 07:16 PM   #44 
                                                     - Let us know when you find out something relevant  slackmaster   Mar-08-05 07:23 PM   #45 
                                                     - Or from an arms race 'back in the day'. I just drove by  applegrove   Mar-08-05 07:27 PM   #46 
  - Yeah...  radar   Mar-01-05 04:08 PM   #13 
  - There is no hypocrisy on the issue of "Nuisance Lawsuits"  lostinacause   Mar-07-05 02:15 PM   #37 
 

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