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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 11:34 AM
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38. So, you believe Dean is wrong for saying much the same as Kerry?
I don't recall you dumping on Dean when he made his position clear last year. No cut and run. Increase forces to stabilize country sooner so ally and UN troops could come in sooner, and begin to bring our troops home with some remaining as UN peacekeepers.
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  -I am sick and tired of pro-war Democrats welshTerrier2  Feb-16-05 10:01 AM   #0 
  - Perfect way to be a minority party into perpetuity  Blue Wally   Feb-16-05 10:13 AM   #1 
  - gee, what a well-reasoned argument ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 10:24 AM   #5 
  - Vas you dere in 1972??  Blue Wally   Feb-16-05 11:16 AM   #25 
     - there you go ... i knew you would have something to say ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:40 AM   #41 
     - Another thing about McGovern  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-16-05 02:08 PM   #113 
     - the "real" McGovern lesson  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 02:28 PM   #115 
     - Not to mention high level Dems actually working for Nixon  eridani   Feb-16-05 07:13 PM   #163 
     - Vietnam was not a rightful war. The people fought to end colonization  applegrove   Feb-16-05 12:43 PM   #68 
  - Ah, but if we hawk wars and thump bibles  HEIL PRESIDENT GOD   Feb-16-05 10:35 AM   #8 
  - Yeah, nice backup there.  tasteblind   Feb-16-05 11:29 AM   #36 
  - I don't know if it would go the way you think it would  bryant69   Feb-16-05 10:13 AM   #2 
  - Listen to what you just said:  CWebster   Feb-16-05 10:32 AM   #7 
  - I think the biggest problem  Goblinmonger   Feb-16-05 10:37 AM   #9 
  - I'm not Kerry just in case you are wondering  bryant69   Feb-16-05 10:40 AM   #10 
     - This is NOT about who can execute a better and more  CWebster   Feb-16-05 10:44 AM   #11 
        - Exactly  bryant69   Feb-16-05 10:51 AM   #14 
        - Kerry is not challenging Bush's mistake  CWebster   Feb-16-05 10:53 AM   #15 
        - You really have it in for Kerry don't you?  bryant69   Feb-16-05 10:58 AM   #17 
           - It is based on reality  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:15 AM   #24 
              - No I do care  bryant69   Feb-16-05 11:24 AM   #32 
        - i'm sorry but this is nonsense ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 10:58 AM   #18 
        - Dean thinks the cut & run is wrong, that we need more troops to stabilize  blm   Feb-16-05 11:04 AM   #19 
           - Dean's position should NOT be the issue  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:10 AM   #22 
           - Interesting, that Dean isn't supposed to set policy until  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:19 AM   #28 
           - huh ??  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:23 AM   #30 
              - The point  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:26 AM   #34 
                 - neither Dean nor Kerry  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:49 AM   #44 
           - "Democrats are gathering to force the party to take a cut and run position  blm   Feb-16-05 11:24 AM   #31 
              - Where have I heard this before?  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:28 AM   #35 
           - It's called escalation  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:17 AM   #27 
           - but Dean didn't  darboy   Feb-16-05 11:56 AM   #46 
              - Was Dean in the Senate?  karynnj   Feb-16-05 12:38 PM   #63 
              - he said that the president never made the case for  darboy   Feb-16-05 12:41 PM   #64 
              - Did Dean support the Biden-Lugar bill for war to make himself "electable"  blm   Feb-16-05 01:31 PM   #95 
                 - the biden lugar resolution only  darboy   Feb-16-05 07:29 PM   #166 
  - No funds EXCEPT FOR troop protection.  eridani   Feb-16-05 07:17 PM   #164 
  - Since when has Kerry ever demonstrated that he can  CWebster   Feb-16-05 10:22 AM   #3 
  - the "infrastructure" process  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 10:29 AM   #6 
  - Give Dean a few more days please.  lojasmo   Feb-16-05 10:46 AM   #12 
     - no problem on giving Dr. Dean more time ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 10:49 AM   #13 
        - Yes, I support your Idea.  lojasmo   Feb-16-05 11:58 AM   #49 
  - So, you believe Dean is wrong for saying much the same as Kerry?  blm   Feb-16-05 11:34 AM   #38 
     - Yes  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:38 AM   #39 
        - All your criticism belong to Kerry. Kerry is evil. Dean is good. Kerry  blm   Feb-16-05 11:46 AM   #43 
           - "He never "gets it" the way YOU do."  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:54 AM   #45 
           - That reply was specific to poster. The history is unrelenting bashing  blm   Feb-16-05 12:05 PM   #52 
              - You are attacking me instead of addressing the issues  CWebster   Feb-16-05 12:12 PM   #54 
                 - When all you do is bash Kerry on everything expect a bashing charge.  blm   Feb-16-05 12:22 PM   #57 
                    - A true believer  CWebster   Feb-16-05 12:31 PM   #59 
           - This is not about what team we cheer for  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:57 AM   #48 
              - Because YOU and others were NOT nearly as outraged when he was working his  blm   Feb-16-05 12:11 PM   #53 
              - Actually no  CWebster   Feb-16-05 12:13 PM   #55 
              - Bush Senior pardoned North  karynnj   Feb-16-05 12:45 PM   #69 
                 - Did Kerry make a fuss  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:09 PM   #77 
                    - You REALLY don't know anything about what happened, do you?  blm   Feb-16-05 01:26 PM   #90 
                       - Maybe you should remind him  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:30 PM   #94 
                          - Considering you don't seem to know much in this area, I'll take a pass on  blm   Feb-16-05 01:38 PM   #102 
  - Sounds like Kerry is defecting.......  jjtss   Feb-16-05 10:23 AM   #4 
  - "completion"....guess that word passed you by?  blm   Feb-16-05 10:55 AM   #16 
  - two points  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:05 AM   #20 
  - Bush has ALL the control he needs in Congress. Dems can only PUSH for  blm   Feb-16-05 11:16 AM   #26 
     - once again for the record  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:30 AM   #37 
     - I know you never supported Dean's position on Iraq. You are antiwar  blm   Feb-16-05 11:39 AM   #40 
     - Reread your Vietnam history friend  MadHound   Feb-16-05 11:43 AM   #42 
        - And WE don't have the votes to do that, so we have to put forth better  blm   Feb-16-05 11:56 AM   #47 
        - Yes, but Kerry and the other Dems could do a number of other things  MadHound   Feb-16-05 12:38 PM   #62 
        - NEVER going to stabilize with a continued American military presence.  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:05 PM   #51 
           - WE don't fund it. His loyal GOPcongress funds it. We have to OPERATE  blm   Feb-16-05 12:18 PM   #56 
              - if you vote for funding, you are funding it  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:37 PM   #61 
                 - Except Kerry is faced with what he can ACTUALLY influence v what he cannot  blm   Feb-16-05 01:47 PM   #107 
                    - stabilization  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 01:55 PM   #111 
  - Complete what?  CWebster   Feb-16-05 11:13 AM   #23 
     - The problem as I see it  FromTheLeft   Feb-16-05 12:42 PM   #66 
        - whose friends will you send for bush's next war ??  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:51 PM   #72 
        - American lives are the only ones that count  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:07 PM   #76 
  - who do you expect to attend these town hall meetings ?  JI7   Feb-16-05 11:09 AM   #21 
  - well, that's a great question ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 11:19 AM   #29 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-16-05 11:24 AM   #33 
  - The chickenhawk wing of the party disagrees with you.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 12:01 PM   #50 
  - Actually I am for wars when it involves saving genocide victims  applegrove   Feb-16-05 12:30 PM   #58 
  - When would the UN have deposed the US President  Radical Activist   Feb-16-05 01:21 PM   #85 
     - If Bush starts a genocide and I do think at least one member of  applegrove   Feb-16-05 06:54 PM   #157 
  - This is a difficult issue.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-16-05 12:35 PM   #60 
  - consistency is a most humble virtue when you're consistently wrong  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:43 PM   #67 
  - I'm sick of the pacifists.  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 12:41 PM   #65 
  - just to be clear  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:46 PM   #70 
  - Can you live with a nuclear Hezhollah?  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:13 PM   #79 
  - Since Israel has the largest nuclear stockpile of all  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:18 PM   #83 
  - In a word?  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:15 PM   #81 
  - Very few "Pacifists" on DU....but huge amount of Anti "PNAC" 's View of  KoKo01   Feb-16-05 12:48 PM   #71 
  - PNAC has nothing to do with it.  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:06 PM   #75 
     - Who has the most nukes  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:20 PM   #84 
     - I don't care if France or Russia has nukes.  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:23 PM   #87 
        - I agree  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:27 PM   #92 
           - Indonesia has the largest Muslim population.  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:39 PM   #103 
              - Well, I can't argue with that  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:48 PM   #108 
     - Because for decades we lived with a "Cold War" where Russia had  KoKo01   Feb-16-05 01:45 PM   #106 
  - How about Pakistan? India? China? Russia? France? Israel?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 12:51 PM   #73 
  - But does Russia support international terrorists?  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 12:59 PM   #74 
     - Ever heard of MAD?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 01:11 PM   #78 
     - Did MAD stop bin Laden?  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:16 PM   #82 
        - uh, he's not the head of a nation. and no nukes were involved.  thebigidea   Feb-16-05 01:27 PM   #91 
        - That's the point.  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:34 PM   #97 
           - you don't think its rational to develop nuclear deterrance...  thebigidea   Feb-16-05 01:37 PM   #101 
        - Bin Laden was funded by the Saudis. Not Iran.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 01:35 PM   #98 
     - Who gets to define who the terrorists are?  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:22 PM   #86 
        - Is a nuclear al-queda a threat to our security?  JHBowden   Feb-16-05 01:27 PM   #93 
           - Oh, you think killing more AAAArabs  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:33 PM   #96 
              - Do you mean those "Ay-Rabs"?  no name no slogan   Feb-16-05 02:29 PM   #116 
  - Ever watch foreign films?  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:14 PM   #80 
  - Yes, good thing we invaded the USSR to keep them from using nukes  Radical Activist   Feb-16-05 01:25 PM   #89 
  - I'm sick of the chickenhawks.  DrWeird   Feb-16-05 05:27 PM   #127 
  - Dean supports the occupation just as much as Kerry  Radical Activist   Feb-16-05 01:24 PM   #88 
  - maybe one might consider that more money now may mean a quicker exit  NewYorkerfromMass   Feb-16-05 01:36 PM   #100 
     - betcha we can milk that one  CWebster   Feb-16-05 01:39 PM   #104 
     - With Bush in office, I can't believe that  Radical Activist   Feb-16-05 01:42 PM   #105 
     - "knee jerk"  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 01:50 PM   #109 
     - Giving the military more money has worked so well so far.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 01:55 PM   #110 
  - YEP..  dbeach   Feb-16-05 01:36 PM   #99 
  - How about asking those who support the war to fund it?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 02:00 PM   #112 
  - I agree, WelshTerrier. The pro-war Dems don't speak for all  katinmn   Feb-16-05 02:19 PM   #114 
  - KICK!  Zhade   Feb-16-05 03:38 PM   #117 
  - Sick & tired of prowar Dems, neoDems, enablers, apologists  Tinoire   Feb-16-05 04:26 PM   #118 
  - Geeze!  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:08 PM   #119 
  - Kennedy  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 05:13 PM   #121 
     - thanks  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:20 PM   #123 
  - Personally I'm more tired of Republicans  Hippo_Tron   Feb-16-05 05:09 PM   #120 
  - not to worry ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 05:20 PM   #124 
  - You're forgetting the reason that there is a war in the first place  Hippo_Tron   Feb-16-05 05:48 PM   #134 
  - Because Chamberlain  CWebster   Feb-16-05 05:24 PM   #125 
     - Which is why we need to get Hitler out of power, not Chamberlain  Hippo_Tron   Feb-16-05 05:42 PM   #132 
  - Meanwhile...what Kerry REALLY said...  zulchzulu   Feb-16-05 05:14 PM   #122 
  - There you go again Zulu, letting facts get in the way of a good bash!  marcologico   Feb-16-05 05:26 PM   #126 
  - Pathetic  CWebster   Feb-16-05 05:28 PM   #128 
  - what he REALLY said ??  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 05:29 PM   #129 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-05 06:33 PM   #153 
  - I Agree 100% - Welsh -- Do you happen to know what senators  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 05:38 PM   #130 
  - Currently serving Senators who voted NAY on IWR  Hippo_Tron   Feb-16-05 06:02 PM   #143 
     - Thanks Hippo! You're the best ! I just hope someone on this list  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:06 PM   #147 
        - Well I admire those Senators who did vote NAY on the IWR  Hippo_Tron   Feb-16-05 06:18 PM   #150 
           - Good point - BFEE enemy, got it. You're right. Maybe it's more  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:50 PM   #156 
  - haha,  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 05:41 PM   #131 
  - hmmm  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:44 PM   #133 
  - mmm,  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 05:52 PM   #137 
     - sheesh  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:57 PM   #138 
     - sheesh  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:57 PM   #139 
     - It's purely opinion that we cannot finish the job,  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 06:03 PM   #144 
        - ...  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 06:05 PM   #145 
        - yep. nt  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 06:05 PM   #146 
        - That's part of the problem. They hid the real money needed  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:14 PM   #148 
           - I agree  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 06:23 PM   #152 
              - When something is right it's right -- no matter what the majority  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:43 PM   #154 
                 - wrong.,  Califooyah Operative   Feb-16-05 06:46 PM   #155 
                    - Right - Don't call them "terrorists" (that's a BFEE term)  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:58 PM   #158 
     - That's precisely the problem -- you can not "FINISH THE JOB" n/t  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 06:00 PM   #142 
  - the best support for our troops who are in combat is bringing them home  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 05:49 PM   #135 
  - dito!  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:51 PM   #136 
  - The best way to support them is to bring them home, Kerry  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 05:57 PM   #140 
     - ;)  bluedipper   Feb-16-05 05:59 PM   #141 
     - Neither is Dean  Uzybone   Feb-16-05 07:06 PM   #161 
  - Yes, i wonder how much more kerry would have lost by...  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-16-05 06:17 PM   #149 
  - Kerry didn't lose - Hell-o  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 07:01 PM   #159 
     - ooooh yeah, i forgot.  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-16-05 07:45 PM   #169 
        - See, he lost because he "backed" the war, but he really won and "gave up"  marcologico   Feb-16-05 07:51 PM   #170 
           - lol...  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-16-05 08:03 PM   #171 
  - supporting the troops is a canard !!!  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 06:22 PM   #151 
  - Will You please run for President !! n/t  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 07:03 PM   #160 
  - why if i weren't living with someone !!!  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 07:07 PM   #162 
     - Never mind -- Just saw you were a L O S E R :>)  Laura PackYourBags   Feb-16-05 07:36 PM   #168 
        - nope ... not a loser ...  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 08:03 PM   #173 
  - That's why he's backing it. If it's not in writing they won't allocate $$.  marcologico   Feb-16-05 07:26 PM   #165 
  - Just another way of waving the flag for the gullible.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-16-05 07:33 PM   #167 
  - Locking.  Moderator   Feb-16-05 08:03 PM   #172 
 

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