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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:50 AM
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141. *sigh*
The first two, the Altheimers one and the down syndrome I don't consider a problem and don't see why others would (unless your neighbor is both stupid and blind he or she would know you had those condidtions).

So what? We can't tell from this article what information was detailed in the letters. Also, detailed information about what medications a person takes is hardly something that a neighbor can infer by observing a neighbor.

That leaves one letter. Assuming he gets 10 a day that is a very small error rate.

No, that leaves one letter that happened to be mentioned in this article. The only way to count up what such letters are deemed personal and were not put under seal is to actually count the ones that were never sealed. The examples cited in the article are EXAMPLES - they weren't cited as the only ones they had seen.

Did you actually read the article?

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/national.bg?artic...
<snip>
Dean sealed many of his government files for 10 years - including all his press releases and many speeches, keeping them private until 2013. Previous governors sealed records for six years.

"There are some that are left private... some of the kinds of things might be a letter from a constituent saying, 'Dear governor, I am an HIV, AIDS victim, can you please help me?' Now, those kinds of letters do not belong in the public, and they're not. That's why some records are sealed," Dean said on MSNBC Monday. But the documents obtained by the Herald appear to include the information Dean says he wants protected.

The documents include five security directives from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks - several are direct correspondence from NRC Chairman Richard A. Meserve to Dean. Most of the papers are marked "not for public disclosure" and threaten civil and criminal penalties.

Also readily available are letters written to and from Dean detailing personal struggles and medical conditions of his constituents.
<end snip>

In case you missed the point, Dean claimed that the reason for sealing certain records was for the privacy of his constituants, and further claims that they aren't available to the public. Except that he sealed documents like press releases and speeches and left open to the public many items that he claimed was the reason for sealing certain documents, including some documents that were marked "not for public disclosure."
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  -Mary Beth Cahill Calls for Dean to Open His Records... flpoljunkie  Dec-17-03 05:24 PM   #0 
  - AMEN!!!  molly   Dec-17-03 05:28 PM   #1 
  - Oh Oh  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 05:32 PM   #4 
  - That's already been arranged.  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 05:44 PM   #23 
     - he's being sued, it's not like he appointed the judge to go thru  maddezmom   Dec-17-03 05:58 PM   #42 
     - Yes. And he decided to use the lawsuit as an opportunity  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 06:04 PM   #49 
        - like an opportunity to run out the clock  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 03:44 AM   #66 
     - grandstanding as much as a campaign  zidzi   Dec-17-03 06:00 PM   #46 
     - that doesn't wash  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 03:32 AM   #65 
        - It already has.  Demobrat   Dec-18-03 11:58 AM   #84 
        - for you maybe  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 09:33 AM   #144 
        - Dean doesn't trust primary voters with his full record.  blm   Dec-18-03 05:06 PM   #115 
           - Are all of Kerry's correspondence public, BLM?  TLM   Dec-19-03 01:15 AM   #131 
  - What about Dean' Grades  BargainMan   Dec-18-03 09:42 PM   #126 
     - what are you talking about?  Nazgul35   Dec-18-03 10:21 PM   #127 
     - Are you prepared to provide proof of that?  Andromeda   Dec-19-03 01:38 AM   #134 
     - Wes Clark is a Rhodes Scholar, but Bargainman, you said he should drop out  oasis   Dec-19-03 03:40 AM   #139 
  - Wow  Spazito   Dec-17-03 05:30 PM   #2 
  - Dear Mary,  dsc   Dec-17-03 05:30 PM   #3 
  - Dear DSC, Apparently You Don't Realise That Names Are Easily Redacted  cryingshame   Dec-17-03 05:32 PM   #5 
  - But I hand it to them that they grasp so tightly to these defenses  NewYorkerfromMass   Dec-17-03 05:37 PM   #14 
  - What if the person wrote this?  dsc   Dec-17-03 05:47 PM   #26 
     - Redact- It Was A Clark Word Of The Day  cryingshame   Dec-17-03 05:54 PM   #36 
     - Private Citizens  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 06:05 PM   #50 
     - and who would these people be?  dsc   Dec-17-03 06:09 PM   #54 
        - Not the way he is releasing them. It will take time.  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 06:24 PM   #56 
     - good point  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 03:48 AM   #67 
        - maybe they made a mistake  dsc   Dec-18-03 04:33 PM   #106 
           - *sigh*  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 08:50 AM   #141 
  - These are  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 05:34 PM   #11 
  - The only sealed records Dean has  dsc   Dec-17-03 05:48 PM   #29 
     - now that's interesting  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 03:27 AM   #64 
        - Do you realize how absurd that is?  dsc   Dec-18-03 09:11 PM   #123 
           - even more interesting  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 09:04 AM   #142 
  - Names of private citizens who  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-17-03 05:34 PM   #12 
  - see my response above  dsc   Dec-17-03 05:49 PM   #31 
  - Dear indeed...  Monte Carlo   Dec-17-03 06:06 PM   #51 
  - Go Mary Beth!  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-17-03 05:32 PM   #6 
  - Great response by the Kerry campaign. e/o/m  Skwmom   Dec-17-03 05:33 PM   #7 
  - i have to agree  TexasPatriot   Dec-17-03 05:44 PM   #24 
  - the gloves are really coming off all the campaigns now.  maddezmom   Dec-17-03 05:33 PM   #8 
  - You will.  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 05:46 PM   #25 
     - Which may be too late unless  molly   Dec-17-03 05:47 PM   #27 
     - To late for what? To use against him?  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 05:56 PM   #39 
        - My hopes? It's never too early for the truth....  molly   Dec-18-03 11:11 PM   #128 
     - when do you think the judge will be done reviewing the records?  maddezmom   Dec-17-03 05:55 PM   #38 
        - Depends where you are.  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 05:58 PM   #41 
        - oh poo!  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 03:55 AM   #69 
           - And those are the exact reasons  Demobrat   Dec-18-03 12:01 PM   #86 
              - still doesn't wash  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 09:27 AM   #143 
                 - what happens if they get opened  TexasPatriot   Dec-19-03 04:04 PM   #148 
        - Heheh...good question.  blm   Dec-18-03 06:48 PM   #118 
           - Where can I see Kerry's correspondence again?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-18-03 09:34 PM   #124 
  - I feel the LOVE, flpoljunkie!  Padraig18   Dec-17-03 05:33 PM   #9 
  - Sure! As soon as Kerry releases his and his wife's tax records...  AngryWhiteLiberal   Dec-17-03 05:34 PM   #10 
  - Skull and bones  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 05:37 PM   #15 
  - The man who would make decisions for the people of  molly   Dec-17-03 05:50 PM   #33 
  - So Skull and Bones is fine  Demobrat   Dec-17-03 06:00 PM   #44 
  - OK  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 06:08 PM   #52 
  - DU progress: Skull 'n Bones is now the last resort of Kerry's detractors.  oasis   Dec-17-03 06:26 PM   #57 
  - Not to defend Kerry, but a politician's political record is different  boxster   Dec-17-03 05:39 PM   #17 
     - Where can I view Kerry's correspondence and memos?  TLM   Dec-19-03 01:26 AM   #132 
  - Fuck you Mary Beth Cahill  arcane1   Dec-17-03 05:34 PM   #13 
  - "Kerry Urges White House To Disclose Enron Talks"  cryingshame   Dec-17-03 05:39 PM   #16 
  - I've been right here  arcane1   Dec-17-03 05:41 PM   #20 
  - The Subject Is SEALED RECORDS. Dean's... And You Mentioned Junior's  cryingshame   Dec-17-03 05:49 PM   #30 
     - That's a beautiful card!  molly   Dec-17-03 05:52 PM   #34 
  - Kerry evidentally hasn't had much luck  Andromeda   Dec-19-03 01:54 AM   #135 
  - I'm not voting for Bush, but if Dean wins the primary  maddezmom   Dec-17-03 05:39 PM   #18 
  - Believe me  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 05:39 PM   #19 
  - next ain't good enough  arcane1   Dec-17-03 05:41 PM   #21 
  - Not so fast, my friend. Please read below re Bush's gubernatorial records  flpoljunkie   Dec-17-03 05:49 PM   #32 
  - The same is true for Dean...  TLM   Dec-19-03 01:30 AM   #133 
     - no so  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 09:53 AM   #145 
  - We're all Democrats; we're all friends.  Monte Carlo   Dec-17-03 06:01 PM   #47 
  - While I'm not irritated with Kerry,  elsiesummers   Dec-18-03 12:48 AM   #62 
  - You go Arcane!  mrgorth   Dec-18-03 02:02 PM   #95 
  - Dean already said he's letting a judge decide what should be opened  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-17-03 05:43 PM   #22 
  - Which will  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 05:53 PM   #35 
  - No, "we" haven't all been doing any such thing  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-17-03 05:57 PM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-03 11:53 PM   #60 
     - Perhaps how you feel right now will help you understand  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-18-03 11:13 AM   #78 
        - Good point, and well said.  Castilleja   Dec-18-03 11:34 AM   #79 
        - Employing dishonest tactics is NEVER the answer, KaraokeKarlton.  flpoljunkie   Dec-18-03 11:39 AM   #80 
        - I'm not being dishonest at all  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-18-03 11:59 AM   #85 
        - I'm sorry  DemOutWest   Dec-18-03 01:43 PM   #93 
           - Most of the things you're concerned about aren't even true  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-18-03 03:58 PM   #100 
           - Sorry it took me so long  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-19-03 01:13 AM   #130 
        - The Kerry campaign...  Andromeda   Dec-19-03 02:08 AM   #136 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-03 01:32 PM   #91 
        - Honest?  DemOutWest   Dec-18-03 01:36 PM   #92 
  - The minute Dean's campaign touches those records  LuminousX   Dec-18-03 04:36 PM   #107 
  - Very unlikely judge could finish BEFORE the Iowa & NH primaries...  flpoljunkie   Dec-17-03 05:55 PM   #37 
  - Which is a typical politico response fooling only bandwagon jumpers.  John_H   Dec-18-03 10:55 AM   #77 
  - I guess I'd need to know what kind of records get sealed in the 1st place.  alcuno   Dec-17-03 05:48 PM   #28 
  - grandstanding as much as campaign  zidzi   Dec-17-03 05:59 PM   #43 
  - Thank you, Mary Beth.  Monte Carlo   Dec-17-03 06:00 PM   #45 
  - Sunlight is the best disinfectant.  oasis   Dec-18-03 03:23 AM   #63 
  - isn't she the one who tried to smear Dean off the record?  Cheswick   Dec-17-03 06:03 PM   #48 
  - Howard Kurtz said that in his article, yes.  Monte Carlo   Dec-17-03 06:08 PM   #53 
  - All campaign issues aside  DemOutWest   Dec-17-03 06:13 PM   #55 
  - see Post#32. Bush's gubernatorial records have been unsealed.  flpoljunkie   Dec-17-03 06:38 PM   #58 
     - Unsealed, nearly impossible to get  LuminousX   Dec-18-03 04:39 PM   #108 
        - procedure  goodhue   Dec-18-03 04:46 PM   #110 
  - No, she was not.  flpoljunkie   Dec-17-03 06:55 PM   #59 
  - Reporter outed Lieberman, Edwards & Gep too  sandnsea   Dec-18-03 03:52 AM   #68 
  - LOL@Mary  LuminousX   Dec-17-03 11:55 PM   #61 
  - what for?  TorchTheWitch   Dec-18-03 04:02 AM   #70 
     - Because the lawsuit is already in action  LuminousX   Dec-18-03 10:52 AM   #74 
        - how interesting  TorchTheWitch   Dec-19-03 10:39 AM   #146 
           - delays  goodhue   Dec-19-03 11:01 AM   #147 
  - Kerry is done and so is Mary Beth  Romberry   Dec-18-03 05:31 AM   #71 
  - Kerry is far from done. Slow but steady wins this race.  oasis   Dec-18-03 10:46 AM   #73 
     - When can we expect Kerry's big burst of activity?  LuminousX   Dec-18-03 10:52 AM   #75 
     - Is he your #2?  sandnsea   Dec-18-03 10:54 AM   #76 
        - Actually he is  LuminousX   Dec-18-03 11:45 AM   #83 
     - Slow but steady falling in polls...4% nationally in CBS News latest...  helleborient   Dec-18-03 11:40 AM   #81 
     - Wasn't Clinton at the same 4% in polls in 1996?  flpoljunkie   Dec-18-03 11:43 AM   #82 
        - Bill Clinton was running for re-election in 1996...  helleborient   Dec-18-03 04:42 PM   #109 
        - In December of 1991, Bill Clinton was at 6% according to Gallup...  helleborient   Dec-18-03 04:49 PM   #111 
        - My bad. Hillary Clinton says Clinton was at 4% in December, 1991.  flpoljunkie   Dec-18-03 05:16 PM   #117 
     - Sharpton has polled higher...  Andromeda   Dec-19-03 02:29 AM   #138 
  - Good for her.  quaker bill   Dec-18-03 05:54 AM   #72 
  - If Kerry would go after Bush with the same vengence he is going after Dean  Larkspur   Dec-18-03 12:28 PM   #87 
  - Link, please. Records are open acc'd to Wash Post article linked below.  flpoljunkie   Dec-18-03 12:49 PM   #88 
     - The MYTH of Bush's Open Records  Crisco   Dec-18-03 03:41 PM   #97 
        - Texas Public Info Act stronger & more reliable than federal equivalent...  flpoljunkie   Dec-18-03 03:49 PM   #99 
        - so what  goodhue   Dec-18-03 04:30 PM   #105 
  - What do you guys think of the explanation that Dean is now a private  Myra   Dec-18-03 01:06 PM   #89 
  - horrible explanation  goodhue   Dec-18-03 04:58 PM   #113 
  - Jeez, what a buch of suckers...  burning bush   Dec-18-03 01:24 PM   #90 
  - the Bush gambit is a cop-out  ZombyWoof   Dec-18-03 01:51 PM   #94 
  - we dont know the answer to that  TexasPatriot   Dec-18-03 02:15 PM   #96 
  - I've seen no end to it.  blm   Dec-18-03 03:44 PM   #98 
  - i have a feeling  TexasPatriot   Dec-18-03 04:03 PM   #101 
  - I'm curious!  goodhue   Dec-18-03 04:21 PM   #104 
  - Thank you Mary Beth!  Vote_Clark_In_WI   Dec-18-03 04:16 PM   #102 
  - Notice she doesn't say Kerry will open his records. (nt)  stickdog   Dec-18-03 04:17 PM   #103 
  - Personally  mjv135   Dec-18-03 04:54 PM   #112 
  - BFEE got Howie's tongue?  blm   Dec-18-03 05:02 PM   #114 
  - tell me more  goodhue   Dec-18-03 05:08 PM   #116 
     - Conservation Law Foundation requested records of Vermont Yankee sale  blm   Dec-18-03 06:50 PM   #119 
        - Oh yes, Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant  goodhue   Dec-18-03 07:27 PM   #120 
           - Amazing that so many Dems have fallen for this snake-oil salesman  blm   Dec-18-03 07:34 PM   #121 
              - maybe they don't know about his environmental record?!  goodhue   Dec-18-03 08:07 PM   #122 
                 - do you actually read what you post?  LSK   Dec-19-03 12:59 AM   #129 
                    - yes  goodhue   Dec-19-03 07:43 AM   #140 
  - Still no response here:  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-18-03 09:35 PM   #125 
  - Bite me, Mary Beth!  Andromeda   Dec-19-03 02:09 AM   #137 
 

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