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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. well yeah, there's that too.
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 02:32 PM by MsTryska
If SS wasn't a little cookie jar for everyone to dip into, and it was back to PAYGO with their stupid programs and pork, there wouldn't be any "crisis" either.

kinda what i was gettign at, is it corporations paid their damnt axes, maybe we could lock down SS the way it was supposed ot be.
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  -The ONLY correct fix for Social Security googly  Feb-10-05 03:30 PM   #0 
  - The so called crisis is because there are fewer working Americans  Vincardog   Feb-10-05 03:34 PM   #1 
  - There are NOT fewer Americans paying in Vs taking out AT THIS TIME  googly   Feb-10-05 03:42 PM   #4 
  - I agree :-) But the only real result of selling the bonds now is to remove  papau   Feb-11-05 05:03 AM   #37 
  - Bull.  Warpy   Feb-10-05 03:44 PM   #5 
     - If we TRIPLED the payroll taxes on the rich, it still won't work  googly   Feb-10-05 04:03 PM   #6 
     - The fact is there is already a 2 Trillion dollar surplus in the SS Trust  Vincardog   Feb-10-05 04:22 PM   #7 
     - That "surplus" has ALREADY BEEN SPENT!  googly   Feb-10-05 08:55 PM   #9 
     - It has been 'spent' on T Bills. T Bills mature and are paid off.  Vincardog   Feb-10-05 09:29 PM   #13 
     - Have you looked into the "math" when boomers start retiring?  googly   Feb-11-05 02:13 PM   #61 
        - I believe we can start by rolling back the trillions in tax cuts for the  Vincardog   Feb-11-05 04:49 PM   #73 
           - Excuse me for being blunt, but you are missing my whole point  googly   Feb-11-05 08:09 PM   #79 
              - excuse me Googly but YOU miss the point  Vincardog   Feb-11-05 08:23 PM   #82 
                 - If we can spend $500 billion per year on defense...  kentuck   Feb-11-05 08:26 PM   #83 
                    - Well Kentucky it looks that way. I believe some folks are  Vincardog   Feb-11-05 08:30 PM   #85 
     - The money borrowed on the other Treasury notes has been spent also !  kentuck   Feb-11-05 12:00 AM   #23 
     - My basic point------------------> when the boomers are at peak of  googly   Feb-12-05 06:01 PM   #93 
     - That is right wing SPIN  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 01:57 AM   #29 
        - Are they going to tell the Japanese and the Chinese the same...  kentuck   Feb-11-05 02:03 AM   #30 
        - I agree  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 02:06 AM   #31 
        - You are correct...  kentuck   Feb-11-05 02:08 AM   #32 
        - BIG BIG difference between external IOU's such as the Japanese  googly   Feb-11-05 08:29 PM   #84 
           - That assumes there is more danger in external default than  kentuck   Feb-12-05 08:08 AM   #89 
              - From social impact perspective you are right, but from practicality  googly   Feb-12-05 05:55 PM   #92 
        - Social Security has given EVERY SURPLUS DOLLAR since 1940's  googly   Feb-11-05 08:17 PM   #81 
     - Yes, they stole it fair and square and they don't want to pay it back.  SharonAnn   Feb-10-05 10:06 PM   #17 
     - Raising the payroll tax ends the last GOP talking point - but without  papau   Feb-11-05 05:08 AM   #38 
     - How about this idea to fix SS?  Mich Otter   Feb-12-05 06:20 PM   #95 
     - That's a helluva interesting comment, Warpy....  kentuck   Feb-10-05 11:58 PM   #22 
     - It worked for 70 years - and the tax rates that it took to  qwghlmian   Feb-11-05 12:22 AM   #24 
     - payroll rates were last raised fifteen years ago!  flaminbats   Feb-11-05 01:29 AM   #25 
     - small correction  Warren Stupidity   Feb-12-05 07:05 AM   #88 
     - I think it's been a pretty damn good bargain...  kentuck   Feb-11-05 01:46 AM   #26 
     - How much have wages fallen?  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 02:09 AM   #33 
     - Let's see -  qwghlmian   Feb-11-05 11:34 AM   #47 
        - Constant 1982 dollars  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 12:43 PM   #53 
           - According to your .gov link, the average  qwghlmian   Feb-11-05 01:06 PM   #56 
              - Not to be dense  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 03:51 PM   #70 
                 - From your link -  qwghlmian   Feb-11-05 04:35 PM   #72 
                    - Ooooh  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 08:08 PM   #78 
     - They rates do NOT continue to rise, and do not need to rise  papau   Feb-11-05 05:12 AM   #39 
     - RE: Sustainable tax rate.  cattleman22   Feb-11-05 12:34 PM   #50 
     - Now compare that to income level raises, please. What would  DebJ   Feb-11-05 06:26 AM   #43 
        - In 1935, the cap was set at $3,000.  qwghlmian   Feb-11-05 10:58 AM   #46 
     - Then why are the federal employees getting better returns on  googly   Feb-11-05 08:39 PM   #87 
     - "first raise the earnings cap"  Warren Stupidity   Feb-11-05 06:54 AM   #44 
     - Chapter 8 "How Social Security Taxes Subsidize the Rich" in the book  EVDebs   Feb-12-05 06:09 PM   #94 
  - I've heard only the top 1% is necessary  Cocoa   Feb-10-05 03:34 PM   #2 
  - Even better if its only the top 1% but the MOST IMPORTANT  googly   Feb-10-05 03:37 PM   #3 
  - I have a couple of links on the lockbox  BlueInRed   Feb-10-05 09:26 PM   #12 
     - The LOCKBOX needs to be implemented SOON  googly   Feb-11-05 08:35 PM   #86 
  - That's what I've heard, too.  antiwarwarrior   Feb-12-05 06:24 PM   #96 
  - it already IS invested in a retirement fund  unblock   Feb-10-05 05:15 PM   #8 
  - and where will the US Treasury get the CASH to pay it back  googly   Feb-10-05 08:59 PM   #10 
     - "us treasuries" and "iou's" are the opposite ends of the spectrum  unblock   Feb-10-05 09:59 PM   #16 
     - ROLL BACK THE TAX CUTS  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 02:09 AM   #34 
  - as the poster papau has pointed out many times  BlueInRed   Feb-10-05 09:23 PM   #11 
  - Yeah thanks, but this solution requires weaning the pols away from the  googly   Feb-10-05 09:39 PM   #14 
  - Exactly, it's just too tempting n/t  BlueInRed   Feb-10-05 09:57 PM   #15 
  - Government control of business  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 01:55 AM   #28 
  - True - tight regulations will be needed to prevent "socially targeted  papau   Feb-11-05 05:16 AM   #40 
  - You are correct BlueInRed, googly and I appear to agree that Trust selling  papau   Feb-11-05 04:54 AM   #36 
  - Thanks for clarifying :)  BlueInRed   Feb-11-05 10:51 AM   #45 
  - I don't think government should own private businesses. n/t  cattleman22   Feb-11-05 12:35 PM   #51 
  - Do you think Social Security should be privatized?  Kathy in Cambridge   Feb-11-05 01:48 PM   #59 
  - Bush's plan is the worst of both worlds. Too much government to be a  cattleman22   Feb-11-05 02:34 PM   #68 
  - It is doing it NOW in the federal employees retirement fund, and  googly   Feb-11-05 02:15 PM   #62 
     - I still don't think government agencies should be able to do this.  cattleman22   Feb-11-05 02:38 PM   #69 
        - Except when you switch into personal accounts such as 403-b, 401-k  googly   Feb-11-05 07:10 PM   #75 
  - Good point. n/t  googly   Feb-11-05 02:27 PM   #66 
  - Walla! Problen solved! That idea is a keeper!  Auntie Bush   Feb-10-05 10:14 PM   #18 
  - Can anyone answer this Libertarian SPIN and debate stopper ?  T Bone   Feb-10-05 10:20 PM   #19 
  - Roosvelt demanded mandatory taxes  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 02:12 AM   #35 
  - What SPIN - in 1935 the IRS was given the job of chosing a way to  papau   Feb-11-05 05:20 AM   #41 
     - Roosevelt approved  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 12:52 PM   #55 
        - Sorry - Roosevelt wanted everyone covered - but self employed and various  papau   Feb-11-05 01:23 PM   #57 
           - Just not following  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 03:53 PM   #71 
              - It may be past my time for my nap- as KO says - now what was the question?  papau   Feb-11-05 07:20 PM   #77 
                 - Ah, I see  sandnsea   Feb-11-05 08:10 PM   #80 
  - Medicare is what needs to be addressed, not SS  Muddy Waters Guitar   Feb-10-05 10:54 PM   #20 
  - Medicare faces greater peril because of medical inflation..  flaminbats   Feb-10-05 11:19 PM   #21 
  - "medical inflation" because of the capitalist insurance companies...  kentuck   Feb-11-05 01:48 AM   #27 
     - True - medical care should not have a profit and CEO salary cost plus  papau   Feb-11-05 05:27 AM   #42 
     - Medical Inflation is due to a variety of reasons  cattleman22   Feb-11-05 12:38 PM   #52 
  - Medicare is a whole another issue, but lets limit to SS here please  googly   Feb-11-05 02:18 PM   #63 
  - Duh!!!!! That is what we should have been doing from the beginning!  cidliz2004   Feb-11-05 11:39 AM   #48 
  - Why don't they just raise the age to 80.  sarcasmo   Feb-11-05 11:42 AM   #49 
  - hmm. i thought the only correct fix was  MsTryska   Feb-11-05 12:46 PM   #54 
  - You are overlooking the fundamental problem, which is that  googly   Feb-11-05 02:25 PM   #65 
     - well yeah, there's that too.  MsTryska   Feb-11-05 02:31 PM   #67 
        - Yeah, the rich corporations can always pay more, but there is plenty  googly   Feb-11-05 07:14 PM   #76 
  - My understanding of all this..  peterh   Feb-11-05 01:39 PM   #58 
  - I agree, and which is why my "fix" is better, it requires NO OUTFLOW  googly   Feb-11-05 02:22 PM   #64 
  - "Logan's Run"  txaslftist   Feb-11-05 01:50 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-05 05:00 PM   #74 
  - NO CRISIS  flounderinginflorida   Feb-12-05 09:43 AM   #90 
  - Um - you heard wrong. n/t  qwghlmian   Feb-12-05 10:35 AM   #91 
  - Did you see Rockefeller is proposing rolling back the tax cuts?  BlueInRed   Feb-12-05 07:10 PM   #97 
 

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