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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:00 PM
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19. Yes indeed Joan!
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  -Bush is not a racist. mzmolly  Feb-03-05 09:13 PM   #0 
  - only problem is that many people will ignore that accusation.  RPM   Feb-03-05 09:17 PM   #1 
  - I disagree, I think the people who stood in long lines might as well.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:21 PM   #2 
  - Yes and no  RPM   Feb-03-05 09:44 PM   #12 
  - Many poor people voted for * and they have no illusion of being wealthy.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:52 PM   #14 
     - agreed  RPM   Feb-03-05 10:07 PM   #22 
        - Indeed it is. For the record, I piss and moan about ceeding the  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 10:13 PM   #23 
  - In many ways he is  FreedomAngel82   Feb-03-05 11:09 PM   #30 
  - I think option 2 is the answer.  NYC   Feb-03-05 09:24 PM   #3 
  - Than we must define "Class" as it pertains to this administration.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:32 PM   #8 
     - Defining class to the deluded is a tough one.  NYC   Feb-03-05 09:35 PM   #9 
        - It can be defined in a very clear manner via "tax cuts" and other policy.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:37 PM   #11 
        - Do you know how many people think they got tax cuts when they didn't?  NYC   Feb-03-05 09:46 PM   #13 
           - I sure do! That's one more failure on OUR part as Democrats.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:55 PM   #17 
              - I never said don't address it.  NYC   Feb-03-05 10:02 PM   #20 
                 - But you did say it was "tough to explain to the deluded" I agree.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 10:04 PM   #21 
                    - I don't think you can convince people that they are not of the class  NYC   Feb-03-05 10:19 PM   #25 
                       - That's why we need to define what "classism" is.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 10:23 PM   #26 
                          - Racism was never the sole argument.  NYC   Feb-03-05 10:25 PM   #27 
                             - Depends on who you ask.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 10:31 PM   #28 
        - Start from the effect of a $500 car repair.  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:34 AM   #44 
           - That's a really great way to think of it.  ncrainbowgrrl   Feb-05-05 10:12 PM   #103 
  - Agree  KT2000   Feb-03-05 09:29 PM   #6 
  - "Working people" vs. "working class."  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:31 AM   #43 
  - ** is a class warrior  realpolitik   Feb-03-05 09:24 PM   #4 
  - One can only hope he meets a similar fate.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:35 PM   #10 
  - You've got to be kidding!  quiet.american   Feb-03-05 09:27 PM   #5 
  - Of course * I * agree, but the average American will NOT relate.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:31 PM   #7 
     - Try saying classism to "average folk" - see what kind of response you get  quiet.american   Feb-03-05 09:55 PM   #16 
        - This is why I'm mentioning this NOW. How can we properly frame this.  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 09:59 PM   #18 
        - Still not sure "racism" doesn't stick to Bush --  quiet.american   Feb-03-05 11:24 PM   #31 
        - I haven't read it but it sounds very interesting. I've read Lakoffs  mzmolly   Feb-04-05 11:53 AM   #34 
           - You're welcome -- and the best part is, it's only ten bucks! :)  quiet.american   Feb-04-05 03:32 PM   #35 
        - bloke  kaho   Feb-04-05 10:12 PM   #40 
        - Darn! I knew it!  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:28 PM   #58 
        - I still like the "war on work" or working people.  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:36 AM   #46 
           - Excellent. "War on working people"  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:30 PM   #60 
        - That's elitism.  borg5575   Feb-05-05 09:11 AM   #52 
           - Interesting point.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:29 PM   #59 
  - I think G.Brish's hate for  jjtss   Feb-03-05 09:52 PM   #15 
  - Yes indeed Joan!  mzmolly   Feb-03-05 10:00 PM   #19 
  - Agreed. Reversing the "elite" meme would help address this.  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:40 AM   #47 
  - He is a psychopath....many are equal opportunity murderers  leesa   Feb-03-05 10:19 PM   #24 
  - What's wrong with both?  deadparrot   Feb-03-05 11:06 PM   #29 
  - I think he is fine with colorful millionaires. How bout "Elitist" instead  mzmolly   Feb-04-05 11:52 AM   #33 
  - Yet, it is clear, the GOP as a whole, use ethnicity as "photo op", and  rumpel   Feb-03-05 11:39 PM   #32 
  - He's never shown he cares for poor Whites....  Bridget Burke   Feb-04-05 03:44 PM   #36 
  - I don't think he's classist  MattG   Feb-04-05 05:22 PM   #37 
     - Well, um, how does that differ from classism?  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:41 AM   #49 
  - Plantation owners had "House Slaves" too.  Kinkistyle   Feb-04-05 05:50 PM   #38 
  - Nope. But Condi gets a damn good salary for her work. I don't  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:31 PM   #61 
  - ...road to nowhere...  kaho   Feb-04-05 07:02 PM   #39 
  - It is spot on precisely due to human's desire to attain opportunity.  Just Me   Feb-05-05 08:41 AM   #48 
  - Indeed, 40 million ....  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:36 PM   #64 
  - My husband's from India.  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:43 AM   #50 
  - Here here!  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:31 PM   #62 
  - So one has to be starving to understand classism? No I'm not going hungry  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:35 PM   #63 
  - The GOP (and Bush) have used racist resentment for political gain ever  marcologico   Feb-05-05 08:27 AM   #41 
  - Precisely. I've been saying this for some time now. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-05-05 08:29 AM   #42 
  - Wow! My immediate reaction to your headline: "Bush is not a racist"  Just Me   Feb-05-05 08:35 AM   #45 
  - Just trying to "frame" the debate in a more meaningful manner.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:54 PM   #72 
  - Question: Why does the GOP disenfranchise black voters? Why did Bush file  marcologico   Feb-05-05 08:54 AM   #51 
  - Bush hasn't attended any soldiers funerals to my knowlege.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:39 PM   #65 
  - When the chimp nominates  LibDemAlways   Feb-05-05 09:23 AM   #53 
  - I agree, but the smoke screen is working so it's time to change the  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:40 PM   #66 
  - * does not care enough to be racist or classist, he only whats the money  GetTheRightVote   Feb-05-05 10:37 AM   #54 
  - I'd call the "spreading democracy to the heathen Moslems" lie racist. n/t  marcologico   Feb-05-05 10:42 AM   #55 
     - So do I. But he's not bombing his rich friends in Saudi. He's bombing  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:41 PM   #67 
  - BS! he's both. "I believe that people whose skin is different than ours  robbedvoter   Feb-05-05 11:42 AM   #56 
  - What?  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:43 PM   #69 
  - But your "point" denies the fact that W IS RACIST.  robbedvoter   Feb-05-05 03:34 PM   #74 
     - I think W makes an exception for people of a certain financial stature.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:32 PM   #77 
  - Okay-so he screws over poor people of all colors...  Dr Fate   Feb-05-05 03:37 PM   #76 
     - Good Gawd, I'm doing no such thing. I chose a thread title that would  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:51 PM   #84 
        - I know- I was framing the issue:  Dr Fate   Feb-05-05 07:16 PM   #99 
           - Seems were on the same page.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 07:32 PM   #100 
  - I totally agree - Bush has learned to play the RACE CARD  mockingbich   Feb-05-05 11:52 AM   #57 
  - Exactly my point! Thanks for "getting it" It's time to change the terms  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:44 PM   #70 
  - Yeah, but "tokenism" doesn't negate racism. neither should we.  robbedvoter   Feb-05-05 03:36 PM   #75 
     - Prove it's "tokenism"  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:38 PM   #79 
  - How do you think the GOP has held the WH for the last 36 years,  marcologico   Feb-05-05 12:42 PM   #68 
  - Of course. And, he's managed to do that while promoting a black woman  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 12:49 PM   #71 
  - "George Bush nominated Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzales..."  Zhade   Feb-05-05 03:16 PM   #73 
  - Couldn't he promote them to a lesser position if he were a racist?  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:39 PM   #80 
     - Rice, Gonzales, Powell, and the rest are basically canon fodder.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 05:45 PM   #82 
     - See my post # 85.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:59 PM   #86 
        - See my post #87.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:03 PM   #88 
           - See my post #89  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:04 PM   #90 
     - Oh, agreed, it's better to go after him on the class issue.  Zhade   Feb-06-05 02:17 AM   #104 
        - Were he the type to admit error perhaps?  mzmolly   Feb-06-05 04:18 PM   #106 
  - classist?  niblick   Feb-05-05 05:35 PM   #78 
  - He has "classist" policies.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:41 PM   #81 
     - What's the point of "reframing" racism as classism? To let Shrub off the  marcologico   Feb-05-05 05:49 PM   #83 
        - Call him what you like. But we'll lose the argument unless we eliminate  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 05:59 PM   #85 
           - The way I see it, the only thing we'll lose is more minority voters.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:02 PM   #87 
              - "The only thing"  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:03 PM   #89 
                 - Nopity.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:06 PM   #91 
                    - Were losing "women/hispanics/blacks/ etc...  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:08 PM   #92 
                       - "Classism" is a polite diversion. "Racism" is honest and has firepower.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:11 PM   #93 
                          - "Classim" covers all bases, and brings necessary issues to the forefront.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:14 PM   #94 
                             - "Classism" is how they WANT us to reframe their racism.  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:21 PM   #95 
                                - I couldn't disagree more! They would FEAR us framing the issue as such.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:27 PM   #96 
                                - "Classism" sounds about as fearsome as "classicism," which most people  marcologico   Feb-05-05 06:31 PM   #97 
                                   - We'll have to agree to disagree.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 06:52 PM   #98 
                                - ..I totally agree...  kaho   Feb-09-05 01:30 AM   #107 
  - Racism shows at the lower income levels  DemDogs   Feb-05-05 08:26 PM   #101 
  - Basically the same.  mzmolly   Feb-05-05 09:05 PM   #102 
  - Hey, I agree  ComerPerro   Feb-06-05 02:26 AM   #105 
  - Agree 100%, Bush isn't a Christian fundie either  Hippo_Tron   Feb-09-05 01:48 AM   #108 
 

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