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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:23 PM
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61. Yes, you are right. The Pope has been strongly opposed to the war
I didn't mean to aim the anger I feel about this splinter group's push for Kerry's excommunication at the Church as a whole, and if my post gave that impression it was wrongly worded. I would hope that the Vatican would not support this group, and I have not not heard anything that would suggest they want Kerry's excommunication.

I believe that the people who are doing this are not acting from their stated religious reasons but from partisan political motives. I heard that at least one US bishop (don't recall his name) had expressed support for excluding Kerry from communion, but I have never heard of the Pope arguing for such a thing. This seems to be something from extreme-minded individuals, not from the Church leadership.

One of my concerns here is that this group is pretending to act on behalf of the Church, and unless the Church disavows their claims and goals, there may come to be a blurring of the lines. It may be that the Vatican considers the groups efforts doomed to failure and doesn't want to draw more attention to them. We'll see.
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  -Kerry et al Excommunication status press conference 9AM Monday/DC CatholicEdHead  Jan-23-05 01:50 PM   #0 
  - sued for heresy?  musette_sf   Jan-23-05 01:55 PM   #1 
  - No one expects the Spanish Inquisition  Clark2008   Jan-23-05 02:13 PM   #15 
  - ROFLOL! Clark2008...  greenmutha   Jan-23-05 09:23 PM   #51 
  - How can it be heresy? If...  LiberalFighter   Jan-23-05 02:18 PM   #18 
  - I wonder if these same idiots believe in the "rapture" bullshit?  TankLV   Jan-23-05 06:03 PM   #49 
     - Doubt it  CatholicEdHead   Jan-23-05 09:15 PM   #50 
     - Generally Catholics reject it completely. nt  blondeatlast   Jan-24-05 01:52 PM   #57 
  - Let the Holy Inquisition begin!  IndianaGreen   Jan-23-05 01:55 PM   #2 
  - That sounds respectably liberal, akin the attitude of Jefferson.  American Tragedy   Jan-23-05 02:26 PM   #22 
  - Protestants cannot be excommunicated as they are not in communion...  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:35 PM   #40 
  - It is funny how these groups NEVER mention the "right of conscience"  Spazito   Jan-23-05 01:59 PM   #3 
  - This is in their FAQ  CatholicEdHead   Jan-24-05 06:59 PM   #80 
  - Speaking as the Grandson of Two Rabbis  Coastie for Truth   Jan-23-05 01:59 PM   #4 
  - You are so right!  mexicoxpat   Jan-23-05 02:44 PM   #29 
  - "Let he who is without sin..." This group is a real embarrassment  Southsideirish   Jan-23-05 01:59 PM   #5 
  - The right to murder  jamesinca   Jan-23-05 02:03 PM   #6 
  - The group addresses that in FAQ  CatholicEdHead   Jan-23-05 02:05 PM   #7 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 02:50 PM   #30 
        - Bush is not a Presbyterian. He is a methodist  Cheswick2.0   Jan-24-05 03:20 PM   #67 
  - Time for a schism  benburch   Jan-23-05 02:07 PM   #8 
  - Some actually have  CatholicEdHead   Jan-23-05 02:10 PM   #12 
  - Most of us do, although not formally  Clark2008   Jan-23-05 02:15 PM   #16 
  - Are condom-wearers next?  Blue Gardener   Jan-23-05 02:07 PM   #9 
  - I got some names for them to add  Senator Lamb   Jan-23-05 02:10 PM   #11 
  - You are absolutely correct  Clark2008   Jan-23-05 02:17 PM   #17 
  - Why aren't they included in the list?  LiberalFighter   Jan-23-05 02:20 PM   #19 
  - Don't forget Newtie and  Skidmore   Jan-23-05 02:30 PM   #26 
     - I don't think Gingrich is a Catholic.  CBHagman   Jan-24-05 12:07 PM   #54 
  - That would wipe out about 85% of "good" Catholics....I mean, as long  MrsGrumpy   Jan-23-05 02:41 PM   #28 
  - You can commit any sin in the Catholic Church and get forgiven...  ticapnews   Jan-24-05 01:40 PM   #56 
  - I think that the Catholic church is afraid to excommunicate lapsed members  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:21 PM   #38 
  - This is really cruel  Jack Rabbit   Jan-23-05 02:07 PM   #10 
  - Yes, the cherry-picking is a tell of their true motivations  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-23-05 02:12 PM   #13 
  - I don't this group's stance, but the Vatican/Pope was  blondeatlast   Jan-24-05 01:57 PM   #59 
     - Yes, you are right. The Pope has been strongly opposed to the war  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-24-05 02:23 PM   #61 
  - Hey, can I get excommunicated too?  AntiCoup2K4   Jan-23-05 02:12 PM   #14 
  - Why do "Christians" like gw* consider the pope to be the anti-christ?  LiberalFighter   Jan-23-05 02:22 PM   #20 
     - I think you read that backwards  AntiCoup2K4   Jan-23-05 02:29 PM   #25 
        - But many of the fundies consider the pope to be the anti-christ  LiberalFighter   Jan-23-05 02:59 PM   #32 
           - Seems like they want to pawn the Antichrist off on ANYONE else....  AntiCoup2K4   Jan-23-05 03:14 PM   #36 
           - Pope is the whore of Babylon  TorchesAndPitchforks   Jan-24-05 07:14 PM   #81 
  - ANOTHER RADICAL RIGHTWING POWER GRAB!!  ClassWarrior   Jan-23-05 02:25 PM   #21 
  - I e-mailed de fide a couple weeks ago  Uncle Toby   Jan-23-05 02:27 PM   #23 
  - Me too, Uncle Toby. I got an irrational response so I emailed again  alcuno   Jan-23-05 04:55 PM   #47 
  - lol, excellent.  antigone382   Jan-23-05 05:00 PM   #48 
  - Where are Giuliani, Pataki, and Schwarzenegger? This is a GOP operation.  blm   Jan-23-05 02:27 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, I'd like to see GOPers on that list too  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:12 PM   #35 
     - You don't as this is an unabashed political act.  robbedvoter   Jan-23-05 03:44 PM   #44 
  - This is a bunch of Bushit  SharonRB   Jan-23-05 02:33 PM   #27 
  - Religion - always the help of dictators. That's why Hillary was both  robbedvoter   Jan-23-05 02:50 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 03:08 PM   #33 
  - If you want to be part of the RCC, you gotta play by their rules.  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:12 PM   #34 
  - Which only apply for Democrats - proeminent in politics  robbedvoter   Jan-23-05 03:19 PM   #37 
     - Unequal application of the rules is crappy, I'll grant you  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:25 PM   #39 
        - Thanks for the grant. Now, about pedofilia....  robbedvoter   Jan-23-05 03:41 PM   #42 
        - The only thing I defend is the right of churches to enforce discipline...  JVS   Jan-23-05 03:51 PM   #45 
           - Okay, but at the moment this isn't even the church  LittleClarkie   Jan-23-05 04:44 PM   #46 
              - True, but a case is being made before the church  JVS   Jan-24-05 03:49 PM   #69 
                 - I see what you're saying, but in not imposing his beliefs on others  LittleClarkie   Jan-24-05 04:15 PM   #72 
                 - May depend on the meaning of believe  karynnj   Jan-24-05 06:03 PM   #77 
        - That's not the point.  trogdor   Jan-24-05 02:46 PM   #63 
           - The church can do whatever it wants, as it always has and will keep doing  JVS   Jan-24-05 03:51 PM   #70 
              - Or else, pay the damn taxes.  robbedvoter   Jan-24-05 04:55 PM   #74 
  - It'll backfire on them. I'm not sorry to see them do this  TheDonkey   Jan-23-05 03:37 PM   #41 
  - Salivating for your tax $ - so far only fundies got it.  robbedvoter   Jan-23-05 03:43 PM   #43 
  - If I'm not mistaken, Fat Tony Scalia is a member of this wacko group  Husb2Sparkly   Jan-23-05 09:27 PM   #52 
  - Scalia is Opus Dei. Is he part of this group, too?  blm   Jan-24-05 11:31 AM   #53 
     - Nope. Opus Dei has some scary elements....  Bridget Burke   Jan-24-05 12:34 PM   #55 
     - You're right and I'm wrong  Husb2Sparkly   Jan-24-05 04:59 PM   #75 
  - So did this happen?  Skidmore   Jan-24-05 01:57 PM   #58 
  - Press conference did happen  CatholicEdHead   Jan-24-05 04:50 PM   #73 
  - As a Catholic...  Pawel K   Jan-24-05 02:07 PM   #60 
  - Actually...  trogdor   Jan-24-05 02:48 PM   #64 
  - What about Pataki? Schwarzenager (sp)? Guiliani?  hholli1   Jan-24-05 02:43 PM   #62 
  - Uh, lawsuits?  DrGonzoLives   Jan-24-05 02:49 PM   #65 
  - Yet another black eye for the Catholic Church  jswordy   Jan-24-05 03:00 PM   #66 
  - Tell your father that the Catholic Church doesn't have an exclusive  Cheswick2.0   Jan-24-05 03:47 PM   #68 
  - PLEASE go forward with this, wack jobs.  maxsolomon   Jan-24-05 03:57 PM   #71 
  - Part of media push to "out" pro-choice Catholic politicans  CatholicEdHead   Jan-24-05 05:33 PM   #76 
  - Read Releases closer  SaintDem   Jan-25-05 07:14 AM   #89 
  - De Fide misrepresents their contact with Vatican  LittleClarkie   Jan-24-05 06:03 PM   #78 
  - Yes they did misrepresent it  CatholicEdHead   Jan-24-05 06:53 PM   #79 
  - Yeah, well that won't go over big with  AuntiBush   Jan-24-05 07:15 PM   #82 
  - Why Doesn't Kerry Convert to Judaism?  BamaLefty   Jan-24-05 07:21 PM   #83 
  - Why Post This?   Jan-24-05 08:28 PM   #84 
  - For the same reason it wasn't a good idea to ignore the Smear Vets  LittleClarkie   Jan-24-05 08:36 PM   #85 
     - Worse, it would be damaging to  CatholicEdHead   Jan-24-05 09:18 PM   #86 
        - The Election Is Over, No One is Paying Attention to This n/t   Jan-24-05 09:37 PM   #87 
           - If it suited their purpose, it could easily be exploited  LittleClarkie   Jan-24-05 09:52 PM   #88 
  - This is just so disgusting  OnionPatch   Jan-25-05 08:31 AM   #90 
  - Who is behind this group  RogueTrooper   Jan-25-05 08:32 AM   #91 
  - I'm a catholic, went to catholic school for 12 years  ac8916   Jan-25-05 08:41 AM   #92 
  - Dealing with priests is the same as dealing with politicians  John_H   Jan-25-05 08:50 AM   #93 
  - Kick Update on Press Conference  CatholicEdHead   Jan-25-05 05:48 PM   #94 
  - Use a rubber, go to prison. Is being "Pro Choice" really being  EVDebs   Jan-25-05 05:57 PM   #95 

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