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Mockingbird Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:14 AM
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35. Positions Don't Matter
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 10:16 AM by Mockingbird
Well, I see you use Ghandi as an icon.

Positions Don't Matter - tell that to someone reading the Kama Sutra.

You are sorta right, IMO. And maybe NOT.
There are a number of really good posts on this thread which all have a kernel of the truth.

Yes - they have learned that they can merely define us out of any relevence. Pick a word, taint it as "bad." Then call the opposition that word.

Time for "us" to do the same.

But I will not define myself as a "Dem."
"Independent" doesn't cut it either, ultimately. I prefer to be an idependent thinker & organizations are always eventually suspect.
You will resort to "group think" at some point, to the exclusion of your own work.

That is NOT malleability by default.
It can become something akin to it however, because we all strive for patterns & structure. Goes with the territory of being alive.
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  -Can a true liberal take the White House thecorrection  Jan-22-05 08:42 AM   #0 
  - I Dount Anybody Who Could Pass Muster With All DUers Could Be Elected  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 08:44 AM   #1 
  - Noone exists that could pass muster will **ALL** DUers.  w4rma   Jan-22-05 09:43 AM   #31 
  - DU would do its best to PREVENT a liberal from getting elected  John_H   Jan-22-05 11:13 AM   #57 
  - I think that Kerry would have been the most liberal  justy329   Jan-22-05 08:46 AM   #2 
  - Kerry Most "Liberal" - nah, I need evidence  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 09:28 AM   #23 
  - If someone would stand up with principals and not be mis led by the DLC  Vincardog   Jan-22-05 08:47 AM   #3 
  - Sure, a liberal could win the election  Brian_Expat   Jan-22-05 08:47 AM   #4 
  - When Was The Last Time A Liberal Was Elected President?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 08:48 AM   #5 
     - Was JFK considered, at the time, a liberal?  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 08:58 AM   #8 
     - Not On Foreign Policy/Defense  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 09:05 AM   #10 
     - Chomsky criticizes JFK for being the neocon who got the ball rolling  AP   Jan-22-05 10:57 AM   #51 
     - Is It Possible To Be Pro JFK... Pro Left Of Center Politics, And Anti-  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 11:35 AM   #63 
     - He also advocated cutting taxes  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-22-05 12:43 PM   #66 
        - the rates were radically different then  dsc   Jan-22-05 12:46 PM   #68 
     - he was also a proponant of welfare reform...  wyldwolf   Jan-22-05 09:30 AM   #26 
        - JFK Was Left Of Center...  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 09:33 AM   #28 
        - you're absolutely right  wyldwolf   Jan-22-05 10:41 AM   #44 
        - He also shamed the steel industry into lowering prices.  AP   Jan-22-05 11:07 AM   #55 
     - There's a first time for everything  Brian_Expat   Jan-22-05 09:11 AM   #12 
        - No, not saying the Dem party shouldn't be a liberal party  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 09:22 AM   #19 
        - Hmmm  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 09:24 AM   #21 
        - Reagan wasn't a neocon  Leilani   Jan-22-05 06:56 PM   #72 
  - I'll settle for someone who tells the truth  GreenArrow   Jan-22-05 08:48 AM   #6 
  - And someone, when they *talk* a good game on the floor, VOTES  liveoaktx   Jan-22-05 08:50 AM   #7 
  - ehem  GreenArrow   Jan-22-05 09:01 AM   #9 
  - you sure are an easy mark! n/t  eg101   Jan-22-05 09:23 AM   #20 
  - It depends not on the person but the circumstances  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-22-05 09:09 AM   #11 
  - Just remember, it took 12 years  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 09:16 AM   #14 
  - I think the way to do it is to  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-22-05 09:20 AM   #17 
  - FDR Was No Liberal...  DemocratSinceBirth   Jan-22-05 09:28 AM   #24 
     - not only that...  wyldwolf   Jan-22-05 09:32 AM   #27 
     - You're killing me, WW!  Zhade   Jan-23-05 01:15 AM   #80 
     - I agree--however  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-22-05 09:41 AM   #30 
  - True Liberal in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 09:11 AM   #13 
  - Disdain or accepting the fact that theatre is important?  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 10:16 AM   #36 
  - Positions don't matter.  orangepeel68   Jan-22-05 09:18 AM   #15 
  - Positions Don't Matter  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 10:14 AM   #35 
  - I agree with your theory  Leilani   Jan-22-05 07:01 PM   #73 
  - Yes, a true liberal can win the Presidency, and here is how  eg101   Jan-22-05 09:19 AM   #16 
  - Excellent assessment! Agreed!  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 10:04 AM   #34 
  - Well stated...  DireStrike   Jan-22-05 10:59 AM   #52 
  - That's a pretty good plan. But  forgethell   Jan-22-05 11:17 AM   #58 
  - drip drip drip  eg101   Jan-22-05 06:01 PM   #69 
     - Thanks for the clarification.  forgethell   Jan-23-05 04:35 PM   #81 
  - I like many of your agenda points yet shudder at your condescension...  pinto   Jan-22-05 06:48 PM   #71 
     - condescend? I am talking about marketing!  eg101   Jan-22-05 07:09 PM   #74 
        - sorry for the use of the word, I may have misread you...  pinto   Jan-22-05 07:40 PM   #75 
  - If his name is Clark - he appeals to people of a wide array of political  robbedvoter   Jan-22-05 09:22 AM   #18 
  - Great sentiments and I wholeheartedly agree  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 09:28 AM   #25 
  - Good point. The dilemma is this: political campaigns are an ....  PaulHo   Jan-22-05 09:26 AM   #22 
  - Withdrawal & Dilemmas Educate  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 09:39 AM   #29 
     - Does the party have a viable leader for 2008?  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 09:54 AM   #32 
     - I'm not sure I agree completely.  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 10:21 AM   #37 
        - I personally think too many people blame the media  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 10:34 AM   #40 
     - Kerry... yes he had and has rare qualities and....  PaulHo   Jan-22-05 10:26 AM   #39 
        - I never felt led to action by Kerry  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 10:46 AM   #47 
           - The reinvention thing is the heart of the problem. They all...  PaulHo   Jan-22-05 11:27 AM   #60 
              - I think we need to observe the right  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 11:32 AM   #62 
                 - The right is much more sophisticated in all aspects of...  PaulHo   Jan-22-05 12:16 PM   #65 
                    - Imagine the candidate that was capable of both  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 12:45 PM   #67 
  - Yes! But they have to be willing to fight.  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 10:02 AM   #33 
  - Fighting Thugs  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 10:34 AM   #41 
     - Plus, aren't unions kind of a dying organization?  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 10:38 AM   #42 
     - Not dying, try executed  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 10:44 AM   #46 
     - No matter how we look at it  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 10:50 AM   #48 
     - round up the usual free trade suspects  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 11:03 AM   #54 
     - Web Unions  Mockingbird   Jan-22-05 10:50 AM   #49 
     - Interesting points  Union Thug   Jan-22-05 11:02 AM   #53 
  - Ig the rethug operatives, strategists, and media can get a wingnut elected  John_H   Jan-22-05 10:23 AM   #38 
  - To have broad appeal, they must be forthright and display integrity  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-22-05 10:40 AM   #43 
  - A Liberal built the white house, and a good part of our govt,but  orpupilofnature57   Jan-22-05 10:41 AM   #45 
  - Depends on how you define "Liberal"  ken-in-seattle   Jan-22-05 10:53 AM   #50 
  - Ya, what you said. thank you.  orpupilofnature57   Jan-22-05 11:10 AM   #56 
  - No. So let's all just become Republicans like the DLC wants us to.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-22-05 11:25 AM   #59 
  - Wow! You hate the DLC  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 11:29 AM   #61 
     - One remains a leftist.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-22-05 11:48 AM   #64 
  - Of course. Just hold a fair election! n/t  IndyPriest   Jan-22-05 06:09 PM   #70 
  - Yes fair elections help  thecorrection   Jan-22-05 08:30 PM   #77 
  - Flame bait  moggie12   Jan-22-05 07:55 PM   #76 
  - With honest elections and a fair media, liberals would win.  AntiCoup2K4   Jan-22-05 08:45 PM   #78 
  - there is no such thing as a true liberal  bobwhite   Jan-22-05 10:21 PM   #79 

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