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135. Actually, you prove my point
Your snide Tidy Bowl comments and attack on Kerry's campaign proves my point. As long as Democrats join in the attacks for whatever delusional reasons, Republicans win. There WOULD have been Democrats freaking out about something they said about Clark and it wouldn't have mattered what Clark did to counter it. So whatever it was, THAT would have been the controversy. Something you wouldn't even be able to see coming and something that would have created chaos in the Democratic Party as well. Democrats appear to be constitutionally incapable of staying on the same page, Republicans know it and play on it. So go ahead and stick to your story. One person, even Wes Clark, cannot change the nature of the chronic malcontents in this party.
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  -Heard from a friend in Washington DC that Clark WAS who they feared most. Quixote1818  Jan-19-05 04:01 PM   #0 
  - DUH.  tjdee   Jan-19-05 04:03 PM   #1 
  - perhaps threatened by Lie  Lefta Dissenter   Jan-19-05 04:13 PM   #6 
  - Lieberman makes me scratch my head.  AP   Jan-19-05 06:26 PM   #39 
  - uh, i was one until Clark!  faithfulcitizen   Jan-19-05 09:29 PM   #73 
  - Double duh  Clark2008   Jan-21-05 05:56 PM   #206 
  - GOP-er insider said it on a public Teevee station in Boston  robbedvoter   Jan-19-05 04:04 PM   #2 
  - Please fill me in on this one, Robbed  Larry in KC   Jan-20-05 02:23 PM   #133 
  - I always knew they were afraid of Clark  Leilani   Jan-19-05 04:09 PM   #3 
  - We were afraid of him too though  Used and Abused   Jan-20-05 03:35 AM   #105 
     - Wes Clark NEVER was a registered republican!  Ice4Clark   Jan-20-05 05:07 AM   #107 
     - Clark was definitely our BEST CANDIDATE and we blew it  Veganistan   Jan-20-05 03:38 PM   #148 
     - "How quickly we forget?"  Sparkly   Jan-21-05 08:39 AM   #184 
  - Only from my Republican brother-in-law  Lefta Dissenter   Jan-19-05 04:11 PM   #4 
  - I don't know any Repub "insiders" but...  Jai4WKC08   Jan-19-05 06:00 PM   #32 
  - True!  eek   Jan-20-05 01:02 PM   #129 
  - Well I understand that it was a  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 04:12 PM   #5 
  - Uhh.  cornermouse   Jan-19-05 04:22 PM   #17 
  - perhaps so  WI_DEM   Jan-19-05 04:15 PM   #7 
  - Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean...brings back memories  BeyondGeography   Jan-19-05 04:18 PM   #10 
  - I can see why they would be nervous about Dean  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-19-05 04:39 PM   #19 
  - Yeah, Well... Clark Didn't Have A Competent Campaign Staff  cryingshame   Jan-19-05 04:15 PM   #8 
  - The media really went after Clark early.  dmordue   Jan-19-05 04:17 PM   #9 
  - my only complaint about Clark during the election was....  GloriaSmith   Jan-19-05 04:20 PM   #16 
  - Yes, he asked for his wifes permission to run and it took her a long time  Quixote1818   Jan-19-05 04:30 PM   #18 
     - I didn't know that. How sweet!  GloriaSmith   Jan-19-05 04:41 PM   #20 
  - FOX News put their foot on his throat and never let up  digno dave   Jan-20-05 11:25 AM   #123 
  - So what does Clark do now?  GloriaSmith   Jan-19-05 04:18 PM   #11 
  - Clark says he "rules nothing out" when asked about a 2008 run  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-19-05 04:44 PM   #22 
  - thanks for the sites! n/t  GloriaSmith   Jan-19-05 04:56 PM   #25 
     - Here's a site with clips of his most recent appearances  RandomUser   Jan-20-05 09:08 AM   #113 
  - Well, he campaigned all over the country for Kerry/Edwards  Leilani   Jan-19-05 04:48 PM   #23 
  - I knew he campaigned for Kerry....  GloriaSmith   Jan-19-05 04:55 PM   #24 
  - He's Very Active With His PAC  corbett   Jan-19-05 05:00 PM   #27 
  - The Democrats were given a peasant..........  ArkDem   Jan-19-05 04:18 PM   #12 
  - and chose  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 05:57 PM   #31 
     - lol  ArkDem   Jan-20-05 08:45 AM   #112 
  - Why does this surprise anyone?  Tom Rinaldo   Jan-19-05 04:20 PM   #13 
  - Clark would have taken every Gore 2000 state plue the Carolina's...  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-19-05 10:57 PM   #80 
  - The dog would have caught the rabbit if it hadn't stopped to pee.  ArkDem   Jan-21-05 08:33 AM   #183 
  - My beloved yet Republican father the same story  southlandshari   Jan-20-05 07:57 AM   #109 
  - Keep those Dems in the circular firing squad  sandnsea   Jan-19-05 04:20 PM   #14 
  - Exactly.  Old and In the Way   Jan-19-05 04:42 PM   #21 
  - You risk major backlash when you try to smear a man like Wes Clark.  Skwmom   Jan-19-05 08:57 PM   #69 
     - Dems keep deluding themselves  sandnsea   Jan-19-05 11:43 PM   #87 
        - What WWIII "situation"?....Oh, you mean that  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 02:21 AM   #102 
        - See you don't get it  sandnsea   Jan-20-05 11:46 AM   #127 
           - It would really depend on what the General and his  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 01:08 PM   #130 
           - Actually, you prove my point  sandnsea   Jan-20-05 02:39 PM   #135 
              - My goodness.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 03:51 PM   #149 
                 - Yes of course  sandnsea   Jan-20-05 04:27 PM   #153 
                    - Touchy....but for no good reason....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 05:10 PM   #157 
                       - Hmmmm  sandnsea   Jan-21-05 02:01 AM   #182 
           - given this argument, sandnsea, we can't run anyone ever and win.  roguevalley   Jan-20-05 03:11 PM   #141 
              - The opposite  sandnsea   Jan-20-05 04:10 PM   #152 
        - If Kerry had rebutted stuff instead of sitting on it because a committee  roguevalley   Jan-20-05 03:09 PM   #139 
        - Yes certain Dems do "keep deluding themselves."  Skwmom   Jan-21-05 12:18 AM   #180 
  - Doesn't surprise me...  truebrit71   Jan-19-05 04:20 PM   #15 
  - I believe it  bliss_eternal   Jan-19-05 04:58 PM   #26 
  - Clark voted for Reagan, Michael Moore endorsed him  lookinforward   Jan-19-05 05:01 PM   #28 
  - Sorry, but the attacks against Clark would not have stuck during the GE...  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 06:22 PM   #37 
     - thanks for the great response  lookinforward   Jan-20-05 12:20 AM   #90 
        - You are welcome....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 02:26 AM   #103 
  - I always thought Clark would have been a strong nominee  BlueInRed   Jan-19-05 05:02 PM   #29 
  - I believe that. And I believe Kerry was about tied with him.  The Gigmeister   Jan-19-05 05:33 PM   #30 
  - If he is still interested he can run in 2008. His support will still be  w4rma   Jan-19-05 06:03 PM   #33 
  - I suspect that was before he actually got into the race  dolstein   Jan-19-05 06:07 PM   #34 
  - I have a friend who is related to a guy who works for Karl Rove  Cheswick2.0   Jan-19-05 06:11 PM   #35 
  - That's Rove at his best....it's called DISINFORMATION  Clarkie1   Jan-19-05 06:25 PM   #38 
  - despite the limited report on Rove's comment on Dean before Iowa..  lookinforward   Jan-20-05 12:42 AM   #94 
     - Perception in politics is everthing n/t  Clarkie1   Jan-20-05 12:44 AM   #95 
  - That's a load of bull  dolstein   Jan-19-05 06:28 PM   #40 
  - No it's not n/t  Cheswick2.0   Jan-20-05 05:22 PM   #161 
  - And my step-cousin's aunt former neighbor-in-law told ME  Clark2008   Jan-21-05 06:07 PM   #207 
  - That's about the way I see it too.  AP   Jan-19-05 06:20 PM   #36 
  - Come on AP....now,  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 06:29 PM   #41 
  - oops...self delete  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 06:29 PM   #42 
  - The examples are in that Frame the Debate post...  AP   Jan-19-05 06:39 PM   #45 
     - I've read Lakoff, and you've got a strange interpretation of it  Sparkly   Jan-19-05 06:48 PM   #49 
     - Almost a direct quote from that book  AP   Jan-19-05 07:02 PM   #52 
        - Huge leap of logic there  Sparkly   Jan-19-05 07:19 PM   #55 
           - It's definitely a debatable point.  AP   Jan-19-05 07:25 PM   #56 
     - I wouldn't say "Nasty Shit" to you......AP.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 06:55 PM   #51 
     - That we are at war is a cognitive framework that benefits Republicans...  AP   Jan-19-05 07:12 PM   #54 
        - I understand....but....  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 07:30 PM   #59 
        - You are applying the same decades-old stereotypes the GOP uses  Sparkly   Jan-19-05 07:32 PM   #60 
           - What I'm arguing is that Democrats win when voters believe  AP   Jan-19-05 09:10 PM   #71 
              - Which takes nothing away from the General  Sparkly   Jan-19-05 09:40 PM   #74 
                 - This debate is certainly contained entirely within the left half of...  AP   Jan-19-05 11:30 PM   #85 
                 - Lakoff, p. 35:  AP   Jan-19-05 11:48 PM   #89 
                    - Yeah, and?  Sparkly   Jan-20-05 11:23 AM   #122 
     - Disagree with your Lakoff conclusions  MontecitoDem   Jan-20-05 05:38 PM   #164 
        - Where does he say that?  AP   Jan-20-05 10:46 PM   #177 
           - You're right, I should have been more exact!  MontecitoDem   Jan-20-05 11:44 PM   #179 
              - p. 21 of Moral Politics is about John Rawls and theoretical liberalism  AP   Jan-21-05 09:24 AM   #187 
              - I'm quoting Lakoff from pg 21 of "Don't Think Like an Elephant"  MontecitoDem   Jan-21-05 04:40 PM   #199 
                 - It's still not clear to me...  AP   Jan-21-05 05:52 PM   #205 
              - Maybe this is what you're thinking of:  AP   Jan-21-05 10:28 AM   #188 
                 - Hi AP. Here's another stab at this with you,  MontecitoDem   Jan-21-05 04:52 PM   #200 
                 - I think Frenchie is one of the best spokespeople for Clark.  AP   Jan-21-05 05:29 PM   #203 
                 - true  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-21-05 05:01 PM   #202 
  - first question: How did you become an expert on Clark's parenting style?  Clarkie1   Jan-19-05 06:36 PM   #44 
  - See the last two sentences of post 45.  AP   Jan-19-05 06:40 PM   #46 
     - I see you know nothing about Clark's position on liberal issues  Clarkie1   Jan-19-05 06:44 PM   #47 
        - I agree. Clark is more liberal than Dean.  AP   Jan-19-05 06:52 PM   #50 
           - What Clark REALLY said was...  Texas_Kat   Jan-19-05 08:06 PM   #65 
              - I think that's almost exactly the point I was trying to make.  AP   Jan-19-05 09:12 PM   #72 
                 - Your response sort of illustrates the problem with your argument..  Texas_Kat   Jan-20-05 12:55 AM   #97 
                    - Hmm.  AP   Jan-20-05 07:53 AM   #108 
                       - Actually, I see both perspectives...  Texas_Kat   Jan-20-05 11:18 AM   #120 
                       - "You don't see the bigger picture."  AP   Jan-20-05 11:41 AM   #126 
                       - Interesting discussion, but a few points  Jai4WKC08   Jan-20-05 12:30 PM   #128 
  - I'm inclined to disagree  BlueInRed   Jan-19-05 06:45 PM   #48 
  - You may be right n/t  Clarkie1   Jan-19-05 07:04 PM   #53 
  - I think you overestimate your ability to choose  RafterMan   Jan-19-05 11:07 PM   #81 
  - Have you read Moral Politics?  AP   Jan-19-05 11:32 PM   #86 
  - "Democratic cognitive framework " ?  sybil   Jan-20-05 11:22 AM   #121 
  - gee YA THINK???????????  Skittles   Jan-19-05 06:31 PM   #43 
  - I did and do agree totally. Too bad he missed Iowa...  Laura PackYourBags   Jan-19-05 07:26 PM   #57 
  - Something strange:  Donna Zen   Jan-19-05 07:30 PM   #58 
  - Yes.....the Rethug's worst nightmare is right.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-19-05 07:50 PM   #63 
  - kick  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-19-05 11:17 PM   #83 
  - Clark appealed across the spectrum. Even people with their  roguevalley   Jan-20-05 03:22 PM   #144 
  - I'm excited about Clark. If he decides to run in '08, I'll gladly  deadparrot   Jan-19-05 07:48 PM   #61 
  - So will I!  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-21-05 04:56 PM   #201 
  - I didn't support Clark....but I think what your friend said was true...  KoKo01   Jan-19-05 07:49 PM   #62 
  - If that was the case, they wouldn't have worked overtime  Skwmom   Jan-19-05 09:00 PM   #70 
  - Anyone who claims that they feared Lieberman  dansolo   Jan-19-05 08:05 PM   #64 
  - They feared Lieberman because he was strong on National Defense  Quixote1818   Jan-20-05 01:47 AM   #99 
     - Lieberman would have been an embarrassment  dansolo   Jan-20-05 03:10 PM   #140 
        - If security Mom's feel protected by a cheerleader then yes,  Quixote1818   Jan-20-05 05:13 PM   #158 
  - Note: This bill was introduced by a republican  Donna Zen   Jan-19-05 08:08 PM   #66 
  - Clark would have won, I have no doubt.  MrSlayer   Jan-19-05 08:20 PM   #67 
  - Clark is a gifted intellect and a speaker to the common man.  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-19-05 11:13 PM   #82 
  - Wasn't Dean the only one the Repubs ran an ad against  NYCGirl   Jan-19-05 08:55 PM   #68 
  - And didn't those ads work? n/t  JPJones   Jan-19-05 10:15 PM   #76 
     - Not by themselves. But they helped.  NYCGirl   Jan-19-05 10:41 PM   #77 
  - I figured as much when both O'Reilly and Hannity  JPJones   Jan-19-05 10:12 PM   #75 
  - Funny, this was my first time ever being involved in politics  AchtungToddler   Jan-19-05 10:47 PM   #78 
  - Yes....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 01:51 PM   #131 
  - Same here!  Quixote1818   Jan-21-05 10:44 AM   #189 
  - LOOK AT MY AVATAR!!! I knew this all along!!!  PROGRESSIVE1   Jan-19-05 10:49 PM   #79 
  - Nah! Dean was the one they feared. That's why they got rid of him via  leesa   Jan-19-05 11:18 PM   #84 
  - WTF?  fujiyama   Jan-19-05 11:46 PM   #88 
  - Really? What gives you that idea?  MrSlayer   Jan-20-05 12:35 AM   #93 
  - What baloney, leesa  ClarkUSA   Jan-20-05 01:26 AM   #98 
  - Richard Perle disagrees with ya. After Clark's congress testimony  robbedvoter   Jan-20-05 08:05 AM   #110 
  - clark is going to give kerry a run for his money in the primaries......  Califooyah Operative   Jan-20-05 12:27 AM   #91 
  - Clark  progressiveright   Jan-20-05 12:32 AM   #92 
  - Yes he was green but Kerry made the same kind of mistakes later on  Quixote1818   Jan-20-05 01:57 AM   #100 
  - i think kerry was getting too old  progressiveright   Jan-20-05 02:07 AM   #101 
  - What do you mean?  Jai4WKC08   Jan-20-05 10:16 AM   #114 
     - i don't remember the exact story  progressiveright   Jan-21-05 12:52 AM   #181 
        - Yep, that was it  Jai4WKC08   Jan-21-05 12:06 PM   #194 
  - Clark 2008 n/t  Dr Fate   Jan-20-05 12:48 AM   #96 
  - Feared Lieberman?  Used and Abused   Jan-20-05 03:34 AM   #104 
  - Lieberman was actually a good general election candidate.  Quixote1818   Jan-20-05 10:25 AM   #116 
  - Because Dean spoke out against the war but wasn't military, he was dissed.  Carolab   Jan-20-05 03:51 AM   #106 
  - Dean going skiing during Nam would have killed him  Quixote1818   Jan-20-05 10:31 AM   #117 
  - Iraq War was the most immoral war since Vietname, Repukes feared  Larkspur   Jan-20-05 08:26 AM   #111 
  - That's an ironic statement  Jai4WKC08   Jan-20-05 10:31 AM   #118 
  - Many crossovers  48percenter   Jan-20-05 10:21 AM   #115 
  - I would have liked a Clark/Kerry ticket  ThorsHammer   Jan-20-05 10:33 AM   #119 
  - Indeed, the Kerry Cheney debate would have been worth it alone  NewYorkerfromMass   Jan-20-05 11:31 AM   #125 
  - Dems in New Hampshire were fools not to vote for him  digno dave   Jan-20-05 11:28 AM   #124 
  - Yeah, and PIGS CAN FLY, too  jswordy   Jan-20-05 02:17 PM   #132 
  - old, refuted news  digno dave   Jan-20-05 02:37 PM   #134 
     - Right...foil hats, just believe what you want to believe, it's cool.  jswordy   Jan-20-05 02:42 PM   #136 
        - How can you endorse a man who said...  jswordy   Jan-20-05 02:46 PM   #137 
           - When will Wesley Clark stop telling tall tales?  jswordy   Jan-20-05 03:04 PM   #138 
              - Good grief. ANd I suppose we can believe anything Rove says  roguevalley   Jan-20-05 03:31 PM   #146 
              - Child, calm down.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 05:02 PM   #154 
                 - Maybe some of these people don't know the difference..  Texas_Kat   Jan-20-05 05:19 PM   #160 
  - I heard it was Lieberman  killbotfactory   Jan-20-05 03:13 PM   #142 
  - LOL!  Sopianae   Jan-20-05 03:16 PM   #143 
  - No according to Wes Clark, as told...  jswordy   Jan-20-05 03:28 PM   #145 
     - No need to identify yourself as a Dean Supporter  Leilani   Jan-20-05 03:36 PM   #147 
     - Some of these aren't even new  WesDem   Jan-20-05 03:57 PM   #150 
        - Yeah, adorable, WesDem  Leilani   Jan-20-05 04:00 PM   #151 
        - Ah, in your own words.....thanks.  madfloridian   Jan-20-05 05:06 PM   #156 
           - My words, you are welcome  WesDem   Jan-20-05 05:13 PM   #159 
     - My goodness!!!!  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 05:06 PM   #155 
     - Links, Frenchie?  Leilani   Jan-20-05 05:23 PM   #162 
        - And how easy it would be  WesDem   Jan-20-05 05:50 PM   #165 
           - Naw.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 05:57 PM   #167 
              - Well, that, yeah  WesDem   Jan-20-05 06:01 PM   #169 
     - He was unpolished, and that was the only thing that gave me pause  digno dave   Jan-21-05 05:38 PM   #204 
  - I have a great aunt Ethel who is friends with Arlen Spectors  Cheswick2.0   Jan-20-05 05:25 PM   #163 
  - You mean Auntie Ethel?  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 05:56 PM   #166 
  - nah...she told me she always goofs on you  Cheswick2.0   Jan-20-05 06:01 PM   #168 
  - Well, I 'm just going to have to call her on this.....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 06:14 PM   #171 
  - Frenchie, No!  Leilani   Jan-20-05 06:02 PM   #170 
     - It's ok Leilani,  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 06:17 PM   #172 
  - Wow! What a small world this is!  Larkspur   Jan-21-05 01:34 PM   #197 
  - I agree!  0007   Jan-20-05 06:19 PM   #173 
  - Not Really Buying This Much....  ChiciB1   Jan-20-05 06:29 PM   #174 
  - But Clinton didn't endorse Clark....  FrenchieCat   Jan-20-05 07:33 PM   #175 
  - "Use your imagination"  Sparkly   Jan-21-05 08:40 AM   #185 
  - Makes sense to me  lancdem   Jan-20-05 07:49 PM   #176 
  - I agree! n/t  sabra   Jan-21-05 08:47 AM   #186 
  - Especially since Iowa is the first state because he does really well  Quixote1818   Jan-21-05 10:57 AM   #191 
     - Also, Arkansas is working toward moving their primary to early February  Sparkly   Jan-21-05 11:00 AM   #192 
  - Kerry/Clark ticket and we'd celebrating now.....  fryguy   Jan-20-05 10:48 PM   #178 
  - Yes, even putting Clark as VP would have made a difference.  Quixote1818   Jan-21-05 10:49 AM   #190 
  - Yep, I've been thinking the same thing.  Az_lefty   Jan-21-05 11:09 AM   #193 
  - My Uncle Herby's right testicle always aches when  Cheswick2.0   Jan-21-05 12:16 PM   #195 
     - Now THAT means something!  janx   Jan-21-05 12:24 PM   #196 
        - I think it does  Cheswick2.0   Jan-21-05 02:44 PM   #198 
 

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