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15. But I think militant fundamentalist Islam is a direct result of the US
policy in the Mideast. Putting troops in there and supporting dictators that opress the people.

I think fundamentalist Islam is worst then fundamentalist Christianity. I think that 90% of the people who sympathize with it if they REALLY had to live under it would want a change, look at Afghanistan they were glad to be rid of the Tailabon. The Iranians are starting to grow tired of it.

If we just pulled out of the region completely we could still buy oil from them.

I kind of trace the whole rise of the thing to Iran when we put the Shah in there and then they took the hostages. Even the PLO back then was more political and less Islamic radicals. I know a guy from Lebanon who moved here in the 70's and he said that now that the anti Israeli groups are so Islamic that almost all the Christians he knew have moved out. Arab Christains, cause they are tormented by the Islamic people.
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  -We need a "New Liberalism" that fights America's enemies decisively Forever Free  Dec-19-04 02:57 AM   #0 
  - Have conservatives "articulated with passion" THEIR vision...  Placebo   Dec-19-04 03:01 AM   #1 
  - Yeah - "Peter Beinart " the neo-con in sheep clothing  mazzarro   Dec-19-04 03:01 AM   #2 
  - I agree...  itzamirakul   Dec-19-04 04:10 AM   #4 
  - Peter Beinart is a pro-war whore  Rockerdem   Dec-20-04 11:31 PM   #56 
  - Fourth Generation warfare  sandnsea   Dec-19-04 03:32 AM   #3 
  - Since when has the US ever been interested in fighting totalitarian Islam?  eridani   Dec-19-04 05:09 AM   #5 
  - There are so many flawed assumptions  kenzee13   Dec-19-04 05:19 AM   #6 
  - Borrowed rant  gottaB   Dec-19-04 06:07 AM   #7 
  - 'The Ref'  Placebo   Dec-19-04 07:57 PM   #19 
     - all that hyping of muscular, hard guntoting made me want to scream  gottaB   Dec-20-04 05:58 AM   #32 
        - It's both, one of my hubby's and my favorite movies.  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:38 AM   #41 
  - peter beinart = fraud  xchrom   Dec-19-04 06:18 AM   #8 
  - Wow. What breathtaking propaganda!  Q   Dec-19-04 06:24 AM   #9 
  - Have you read any of Beinart's work? He's a loathesome, Zell-like  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:41 AM   #42 
  - You are disgustingly misrepresenting real liberals.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-19-04 06:29 AM   #10 
  - I'll take your point a bit further  mandyky   Dec-19-04 06:52 AM   #11 
     - blatant rip-off  imsocoolerthanyou   Dec-19-04 06:54 AM   #12 
        - since I have no clue who the person you mention is  mandyky   Dec-19-04 06:32 PM   #17 
        - No, he's saying the original post is a rip-off of Berman's pro-DLC  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:25 AM   #25 
        - Oops. Nothing to see here! Deleted.  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:42 AM   #43 
  - What we need is sleuth journalists.  The Backlash Cometh   Dec-19-04 07:50 AM   #13 
  - How about a new liberalism that rejects Govt.-created Boogeymen?  tasteblind   Dec-19-04 07:52 AM   #14 
  - But I think militant fundamentalist Islam is a direct result of the US  hollowdweller   Dec-19-04 08:19 AM   #15 
  - All of these bizarre arguments stem from acceptance of Bush at his word.  tasteblind   Dec-19-04 08:27 AM   #16 
  - They SAID  Debs   Dec-20-04 06:12 AM   #35 
  - Well said--"Bush at his word."  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:46 AM   #44 
  - Cut it out.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:30 AM   #26 
  - The "New Liberalism" is old Republicanism - complete with bogeyman.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-19-04 07:57 PM   #18 
  - You too.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:39 AM   #27 
     - Neither of you are wrong  Debs   Dec-20-04 06:16 AM   #36 
     - "terrorist-sympathizing"? How did you get that?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-20-04 08:36 AM   #48 
        - Al Qaeda is NOT a "bogeyman," as you called it.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 09:17 AM   #51 
           - How do you propose "killing" them?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-20-04 11:10 AM   #54 
           - It's not "adolescent." The causes should be addressed,  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 06:20 AM   #62 
              - Read a lot of Tom Clancy books?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-21-04 08:06 AM   #64 
              - Give me a fucking BREAK.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 08:37 AM   #65 
                 - Been stoking up on your Testeronios?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-21-04 10:28 AM   #66 
                    - Uh...just now. You were saying that we shouldn't go after  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 10:59 AM   #67 
                       - I did? Show me where.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-21-04 11:24 AM   #70 
                          - You said:  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 12:12 PM   #75 
                          - I'll stick with what you quoted.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-21-04 12:36 PM   #78 
                          - Actually, hunting down and killing terrorists in Israel HAS worked.  impeachdubya   Dec-21-04 03:25 PM   #80 
              - Solid points! Couldn't agree more.  Bush was AWOL   Dec-21-04 11:22 AM   #68 
           - Right. Which is why the Bush administration always deals so agressively  impeachdubya   Dec-20-04 11:43 PM   #57 
              - That's my POINT! Are you reading what I'm saying?? nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 06:19 AM   #61 
                 - I gotcha and I totally agree.  Bush was AWOL   Dec-21-04 11:23 AM   #69 
                 - Well, I don't begrudge anyone calling Al Qaeda a boogeyman  impeachdubya   Dec-21-04 03:09 PM   #79 
  - A lot of you are missing the point  Forever Free   Dec-19-04 08:21 PM   #20 
  - THAT IS NOT OUR FUCKING ARGUMENT.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:24 AM   #24 
  - And IF  Debs   Dec-20-04 06:23 AM   #38 
  - For pity's sake--we as individuals are powerless at stopping Bin Laden.  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:53 AM   #45 
  - Bin Laden should never have been a threat  eridani   Dec-20-04 11:22 PM   #55 
  - So... Only loonies think there is any threat from a  impeachdubya   Dec-20-04 11:44 PM   #58 
  - As the founding fathers warned, the greatest threats are within...  IrateCitizen   Dec-21-04 11:42 AM   #74 
  - Decline of State loyalty  sandnsea   Dec-21-04 12:18 PM   #77 
  - nope. sorry. too much bullshit there.  kodi   Dec-19-04 09:24 PM   #21 
  - Orcinus's response to this  Telly Savalas   Dec-19-04 09:56 PM   #22 
  - and damn nicely done, too.  kodi   Dec-19-04 10:10 PM   #23 
  - I'll snip it  RafterMan   Dec-20-04 05:51 AM   #29 
  - They're both saying liberals don't care about terrorism.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:51 AM   #30 
  - Glad to know that there are some sane people are there  Forever Free   Dec-21-04 04:02 PM   #81 
  - Excellent. I've had to stop reading New Republic since Beinart became  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:55 AM   #46 
  - My main problem with this article. My country right or wrong attitude.  bklyncowgirl   Dec-20-04 05:45 AM   #28 
  - That's his way of subtley whoring for the Bush administration  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 05:52 AM   #31 
  - Suckered into or misguided.  Disturbed   Dec-20-04 06:10 AM   #34 
     - Nice post. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-20-04 06:16 AM   #37 
  - "We need a "New Liberalism" that fights America's enemies decisively"  Debs   Dec-20-04 05:58 AM   #33 
  - I suspect there are some old Conservatives who would say exactly the same.  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 07:01 AM   #47 
  - The RWinger's 'image' of 'strong on security' is all public relations...  Q   Dec-20-04 06:33 AM   #39 
  - Beinart? No thanks--where's the "talk to the hand icon?" nt  blondeatlast   Dec-20-04 06:35 AM   #40 
  - So--which country should we invade next?  Bridget Burke   Dec-20-04 09:09 AM   #49 
  - What a load of steaming DLC bullshit  AntiCoup2K4   Dec-20-04 09:14 AM   #50 
  - Appears to me that most of Americas enemies  Jose Diablo   Dec-20-04 09:45 AM   #52 
  - The fact that you don't try and CRUSH something with a hammer..  kamqute   Dec-20-04 09:50 AM   #53 
  - Let's call a spade a spade: Fundamentalist Kooks are the problem.  impeachdubya   Dec-20-04 11:48 PM   #59 
  - Here's how liberals want to stop terrorism.  DireStrike   Dec-21-04 12:14 AM   #60 
  - That's the problem...  Q   Dec-21-04 06:36 AM   #63 
  - become energy independent, force Israel and Palestine into peace and...  Bush was AWOL   Dec-21-04 11:26 AM   #71 
     - We'd also better know damned well WHO we're hitting...  IrateCitizen   Dec-21-04 11:30 AM   #72 
     - YESSSS.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-21-04 12:15 PM   #76 
  - We need to stop being told what we need  Capn Sunshine   Dec-21-04 11:31 AM   #73 
  - Al-Qaeda IS a threat, those that say otherwise are insanely naive  Forever Free   Dec-21-04 04:07 PM   #82 
  - FACT: Al Qaeda was a creation of George Bush Sr's CIA  AntiCoup2K4   Dec-21-04 04:14 PM   #83 
  - A threat that means invading and occupying Iraq?  Q   Dec-21-04 04:22 PM   #84 
     - Yet again, you miss the point  Forever Free   Dec-21-04 04:46 PM   #86 
        - But isn't the 'point' that there ISN'T a 'real war' against Al-Qaeda?  Q   Dec-21-04 04:58 PM   #87 
  - We need some Old Liberalism to resolve this problem wisely.  rman   Dec-21-04 04:25 PM   #85 

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