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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. I can respect that. But understand
that a large majority of people don't agree with you... and you don't win elections by ticking off large majorities of the people... and when the OTHER side continues to win because of a hard-line position? You lose FAR more.
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  -"Late-Term Abortion" -- Let's get our facts straight Sparkly  Dec-17-04 10:52 AM   #0 
  - Kerry took a major hit for his vote vs late term abortion bill  blackangrydem   Dec-17-04 10:55 AM   #1 
  - How did he vote?  janx   Dec-17-04 10:57 AM   #4 
     - he voted against banning it  JI7   Dec-17-04 12:40 PM   #33 
        - It came up in the second debate, I believe.  blackangrydem   Dec-17-04 06:08 PM   #86 
  - I thought late term abortion was classified in  MemphisTiger   Dec-17-04 10:57 AM   #2 
  - I don't know if there's a clear definition  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:00 AM   #5 
  - life & health  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 11:31 AM   #24 
  - More on this topic.  madfloridian   Dec-17-04 10:57 AM   #3 
  - Right. The fundies came up with the term "partial birth abortion"--  janx   Dec-17-04 11:02 AM   #6 
  - You're ahead of me  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:04 AM   #9 
  - It's a relatively new one.  janx   Dec-17-04 11:08 AM   #12 
     - OmiGAWD!!  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:11 AM   #14 
        - That's what I said.  janx   Dec-17-04 11:13 AM   #17 
           - OK, that means that I was "aborted"....  Solon   Dec-17-04 12:37 PM   #31 
  - Hysterotomy is also used for the simple excision of fibroid tumors  yellowdogintexas   Dec-17-04 01:36 PM   #52 
  - Their argument is that Life of the mother is interpreted  MemphisTiger   Dec-17-04 11:03 AM   #7 
  - That was REALLY crazy  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:03 AM   #8 
  - The medical point of view.  snippy   Dec-17-04 11:05 AM   #10 
  - The sight of that bunch of sanctimonious white men  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:07 AM   #11 
  - Me too. Not my edit though. It was posted on DU and I just saved it. n/t  snippy   Dec-17-04 11:12 AM   #15 
  - D&X, D&E  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 11:36 AM   #26 
  - If they are ALREADY illegal... why sacrifice political capital  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 11:11 AM   #13 
  - To keep them from eroding the laws any further.  Sparkly   Dec-17-04 11:15 AM   #19 
  - That's how THEY lose these arguments.  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 11:23 AM   #21 
     - Good Post  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:56 PM   #56 
        - Well.... all I can say is...  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 01:59 PM   #58 
  - Answer  Nederland   Dec-17-04 11:16 AM   #20 
  - This 'both sides' argument is not only inaccurate,  gumby   Dec-17-04 12:07 PM   #28 
     - Disagree  Nederland   Dec-17-04 12:20 PM   #29 
        - It is the pro lifers who blow up clinics...  Solon   Dec-17-04 12:34 PM   #30 
        - You are correct  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:08 PM   #40 
           - I agree that most people are  Yupster   Dec-17-04 05:20 PM   #84 
        - The 1992 Casey canard?  gumby   Dec-17-04 12:44 PM   #35 
           - No  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:04 PM   #39 
              - Um...probably because the Democratic party is pro-choice.  janx   Dec-17-04 01:14 PM   #45 
              - Never said it was a bad thing  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:17 PM   #47 
                 - You're right. On that issue, they don't. Thank God. n/t  janx   Dec-17-04 01:23 PM   #50 
                    - Thanks for pointing that out. Dems don't pander on this issue  Mandate My Ass   Dec-17-04 03:17 PM   #82 
              - Worse than lipstick on a Pig.  gumby   Dec-17-04 02:27 PM   #68 
                 - Seemed to work  Nederland   Dec-17-04 02:46 PM   #74 
                    - Who's this "we" of which you speak?  Crowdance   Dec-20-04 06:45 AM   #97 
  - Not already illegal, in all states, at least  rfkrfk   Dec-18-04 08:01 AM   #91 
  - "This bill will chill the practice of medicine...."  madfloridian   Dec-17-04 11:13 AM   #16 
  - More Facts  Nederland   Dec-17-04 11:14 AM   #18 
  - The problem is that these laws are so vague in many cases...  Solon   Dec-17-04 11:30 AM   #23 
  - Yes  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:15 PM   #46 
  - Misinterpretation  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 11:41 AM   #27 
  - Misinterpretation  Nederland   Dec-17-04 12:37 PM   #32 
  - Motivation?  janx   Dec-17-04 12:42 PM   #34 
  - Yes, motivation  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:09 PM   #41 
  - So she should just die?  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 12:45 PM   #36 
  - Never suggested that (nt)  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:09 PM   #43 
     - Yes you did  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 01:17 PM   #48 
        - Where exactly did I say that?  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:21 PM   #49 
           - Don't pretend  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 02:55 PM   #79 
  - Actually many pro lifers believe both are true in some cases...  Solon   Dec-17-04 12:49 PM   #37 
  - People who want to ban abortions think they are all murder.  Bridget Burke   Dec-17-04 12:53 PM   #38 
     - True  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:11 PM   #44 
  - That's an exaggeration  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 01:31 PM   #51 
     - You're wrong  sandnsea   Dec-17-04 02:51 PM   #76 
     - Well, it wouldn't be the first time...  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 03:35 PM   #83 
        - The article did  sandnsea   Dec-18-04 12:00 AM   #87 
        - hydrocefali...... the vast majority of reasons for late term abortions  Cheswick2.0   Dec-18-04 08:25 AM   #94 
     - hands out citation for making stuff up as per section 2348 of plan 9 NT  Baconfoot   Dec-18-04 02:46 AM   #88 
     - Pregnancy is riskier to women's health than abortion. nt  July   Dec-20-04 07:13 AM   #98 
  - Abortion on demand?  Cheswick2.0   Dec-18-04 08:18 AM   #93 
  - That's a Good Site  ribofunk   Dec-17-04 11:27 AM   #22 
  - This is bullshit  mrgorth   Dec-17-04 02:25 PM   #67 
     - Look at What They Say on That Link  ribofunk   Dec-17-04 02:45 PM   #72 
  - Give them an inch...  countryjake   Dec-17-04 11:32 AM   #25 
  - Ridiculous  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:58 PM   #57 
     - Fighting for women's liberation...  countryjake   Dec-18-04 07:23 AM   #89 
  - the best source to use is the Alan Guttmacher Institute..  RUDUing2   Dec-17-04 01:09 PM   #42 
  - I am not a Catholic, but it's my understanding  diplomats   Dec-17-04 01:47 PM   #54 
     - I am catholic and they do (and they don't)  RUDUing2   Dec-17-04 02:11 PM   #61 
  - an explanation why the federal ban is problematic  onenote   Dec-17-04 01:45 PM   #53 
  - Question for All  Nederland   Dec-17-04 01:48 PM   #55 
  - No, I wasn't in favor of the bill.  Bridget Burke   Dec-17-04 02:05 PM   #59 
  - Its not a question of abandoning issues  Nederland   Dec-17-04 02:18 PM   #63 
  - here's an answer  onenote   Dec-17-04 02:06 PM   #60 
  - Not sure I agree  Nederland   Dec-17-04 02:19 PM   #64 
     - I hope it will  onenote   Dec-17-04 02:44 PM   #71 
  - nope, because of the same reason Clinto vetoed this bill..it didn't  RUDUing2   Dec-17-04 02:13 PM   #62 
  - I think the difficulty with that distinction is  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 02:21 PM   #65 
  - as a woman I think mental health is just as important as physical health  RUDUing2   Dec-17-04 02:39 PM   #69 
  - I can respect that. But understand  MrUnderhill   Dec-17-04 02:43 PM   #70 
  - But if depression is included as health, then  Yupster   Dec-17-04 05:28 PM   #85 
  - Why would you want to limit it to just physical health?  peacebird   Dec-17-04 02:45 PM   #73 
  - Fair enough  Nederland   Dec-17-04 02:23 PM   #66 
     - Google "anencephaly"  Bridget Burke   Dec-17-04 02:47 PM   #75 
     - the religious right don't want to trust women with a choice  peacebird   Dec-17-04 02:52 PM   #77 
     - Done  Nederland   Dec-17-04 03:01 PM   #80 
        - Anencephaly is lack of a brain.  Bridget Burke   Dec-20-04 08:17 AM   #100 
     - a political price only if we let the other side define the issue  onenote   Dec-17-04 02:54 PM   #78 
     - I agree that the issue is difficult to define  Nederland   Dec-17-04 03:04 PM   #81 
     - Then the "public" needs to be properly informed.  LynnTheDem   Dec-18-04 07:50 AM   #90 
     - Like some other medical issues, it IS difficult.  July   Dec-20-04 07:22 AM   #99 
     - When women have abortions for health reasons in late term  Cheswick2.0   Dec-18-04 08:14 AM   #92 
  - women's health...... n/t  Cheswick2.0   Dec-18-04 08:30 AM   #95 
  - "Late-Term Abortions" are a myth.  talk hard   Dec-20-04 02:14 AM   #96 
 

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