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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 04:38 AM
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107. I support Howard Dean for DNC chair.
I agree with what he says and think he'd be, hands down, the best candidate, plus, he wants the job. I would be incredibly disappointed if they chose a less qualified candidate.

But this is not a perfect world, or electoral process. I voted for John Kerry who was much better qualified for president than George Bush*. I also voted for Al Gore. And, even more upsetting, I am told that my candidates actually won!

My point is that we must learn to accept compromises. You can't abandon your party if Howard Dean doesn't get DNC chair, though I think they'd be insane if they denied it to him, LOL! He'd be perfect!

My candidate was Dennis Kucinich, but I got on board with John Kerry, because I listened to what he had to say and came to believe in his message. We all have to make compromises and choose the best of the options we're presented with. Your party offers better options, with or without Howard Dean, though, as I said, I think he'd be the best DNC chair that I can imagine. But what else are we left with?! Bush* and eternal war? I will choose the Democrats, any day, over the horror story that they're offering us!
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  -Purging is an inherently undemocratic policy JohnKleeb  Dec-12-04 12:56 PM   #0 
  - i second that  JI7   Dec-12-04 12:58 PM   #1 
  - I got a picture of a guy who purged those who were "disloyal"  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:00 PM   #2 
     - The person I think of  Retired AF Dem   Dec-12-04 01:27 PM   #11 
     - Right  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:28 PM   #12 
        - About as strong as you can get  Retired AF Dem   Dec-12-04 01:32 PM   #13 
     - Well, he WAS pretty successful.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:46 PM   #37 
     - hah it's not about whether purging works or not  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:47 PM   #39 
        - I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection here.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:50 PM   #44 
           - I didn't say anything about Jews  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:54 PM   #48 
              - It's ABSOLUTELY democratic.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:55 PM   #49 
                 - Ok I understand your point  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:57 PM   #52 
                    - Not vote for em.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:59 PM   #55 
                       - Its just I dont know how you guys expect to beat entrenched dems  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:01 PM   #59 
                          - They're going to get beat either way.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:02 PM   #62 
                             - not exactly  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:04 PM   #63 
                                - Man, we just saw it. Our Senate Minority LEADER got beat.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:06 PM   #65 
                                   - thats a justification for why we shouldn't have bright red staters  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:08 PM   #70 
                                   - Remember though  fujiyama   Dec-12-04 03:11 PM   #72 
                                      - right and I think Daschle's problem was the state he was from  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:13 PM   #74 
                                      - Picking the minority leader  fujiyama   Dec-12-04 04:23 PM   #78 
                                      - How much Bush won it by isn't a good thing for DLC supporters. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 08:47 PM   #86 
     - You are right on, John, and an excellent student of history  Rhiannon12866   Dec-14-04 02:59 AM   #87 
  - duh!  Guarionex   Dec-12-04 01:01 PM   #3 
  - thats what I say  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:03 PM   #5 
  - Define "purging"...  kentuck   Dec-12-04 01:01 PM   #4 
  - No, thats not purging, thats changing the stragety  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:06 PM   #7 
  - the only purging I hear mentioned around here is by you and your gang  Cheswick2.0   Dec-12-04 01:14 PM   #9 
     - Not true?  Champ   Dec-12-04 01:38 PM   #14 
        - Thanks I should have specified  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:49 PM   #15 
  - Of course.  FightinNewDem   Dec-12-04 01:06 PM   #8 
  - I agree. Purge the Purgers!!! (nt)  JaneQPublic   Dec-12-04 01:05 PM   #6 
  - I could never nail purging down.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Dec-12-04 01:15 PM   #10 
  - I think anyone who takes corporate/special interest cash is "undemocratic"  Selatius   Dec-12-04 02:15 PM   #16 
  - a union could be classified as "special interest"  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:23 PM   #17 
     - Well, now you're just splitting hairs.  Selatius   Dec-12-04 02:29 PM   #18 
        - Well they are a special interest group technically  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:34 PM   #20 
           - Still, I don't accept the influence of money in a system built for people  Selatius   Dec-12-04 02:39 PM   #24 
           - no, your point is right  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:43 PM   #30 
           - But they're a DEMOCRATIC special interest.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:40 PM   #26 
              - right  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:41 PM   #28 
                 - I mean little "d". nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:43 PM   #32 
                 - ahh  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:46 PM   #36 
                 - I still disagree  Selatius   Dec-12-04 02:45 PM   #34 
  - Yet it seems to pretty popular with DUers  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-12-04 02:30 PM   #19 
  - I see that  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:35 PM   #21 
  - the man endorsed Bush.  ulysses   Dec-12-04 02:38 PM   #22 
     - thats not a good example I agree  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:39 PM   #25 
  - What, you can't fire people if you're a Democrat?  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:39 PM   #23 
  - who is us? they represent all sorts of people  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:41 PM   #27 
     - Who do they represent?  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:43 PM   #31 
        - you're telling me, you haven't seen people asking whether we can purge  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:45 PM   #35 
           - Sorry, man, when they're voting with the neocons more than the Democrats,  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:48 PM   #40 
              - Of course its naive  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:52 PM   #45 
  - exactly so.  ulysses   Dec-12-04 02:42 PM   #29 
  - what's his email?  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:44 PM   #33 
     - perhaps you weren't.  ulysses   Dec-12-04 02:47 PM   #38 
        - A lot of people don't like From for trying to do away with progressive  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:50 PM   #42 
           - as if progressives even could purge moderates anyway.  ulysses   Dec-12-04 02:57 PM   #53 
              - right  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:00 PM   #56 
  - I completely agree, John!  Padraig18   Dec-12-04 02:49 PM   #41 
  - Man, you guys just gotta be tougher.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:53 PM   #47 
     - heh you expect me to have sympathy for republicans we beat?  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:56 PM   #50 
  - If we dont purge the eunuchs & liars from from our party...  Dr Fate   Dec-12-04 02:50 PM   #43 
  - who will replace them?  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:53 PM   #46 
     - Either someone on the other side, or someone with the right message  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 02:57 PM   #51 
     - someone on the other side who would be far worse  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 02:58 PM   #54 
        - Aside from the "purity" connotations, the party really is better off  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:00 PM   #57 
           - I don't see how we'd be better off with fewer people in congress  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:02 PM   #61 
              - We'll be better off when we have a solid, populist message.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:04 PM   #64 
                 - well you know if the party dies for a while, things will only get worse  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:07 PM   #68 
                    - Yeah. But things are getting worse.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:11 PM   #71 
                       - things will get worse if we have less people in congress  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:12 PM   #73 
                          - LOL how? nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 08:11 PM   #81 
                             - Easier to pass things with a big ass conservative majority don't you think  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 08:19 PM   #83 
                                - No, man, you said "easier"...  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 08:43 PM   #84 
     - No problem-Republicans are replacing them at every election.  Dr Fate   Dec-12-04 03:07 PM   #67 
  - The colonists "purged" this country of the British back in the day.  Zorra   Dec-12-04 03:01 PM   #58 
  - that was a revolution  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:01 PM   #60 
     - LOL well just consider this a revolution, baby.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 03:06 PM   #66 
     - strangest revolution Ive herad of  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:07 PM   #69 
        - Revolutions can be waged with the pen  Selatius   Dec-14-04 03:13 AM   #89 
     - Get rid of the King Mole, first!  Walt Starr   Dec-12-04 03:15 PM   #75 
     - From is a bastard  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 03:16 PM   #76 
        - the third way isn't just From  ulysses   Dec-14-04 05:08 PM   #97 
     - Mole:  Zorra   Dec-12-04 04:09 PM   #77 
  - So is refusing to fight  Kitsune   Dec-12-04 04:25 PM   #79 
  - Bow down.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 08:10 PM   #80 
  - of course thats just as wrong, you assume because I oppose purging  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 08:17 PM   #82 
     - You assume just because I think we should get rid of people  BullGooseLoony   Dec-12-04 08:44 PM   #85 
  - I agree,  Crunchy Frog   Dec-14-04 03:12 AM   #88 
  - right and I think they're just as wrong  JohnKleeb   Dec-14-04 12:21 PM   #94 
  - Better?  Rhiannon12866   Dec-14-04 05:43 AM   #90 
  - Just irritate them enough and they will leave voluntarily.  quaker bill   Dec-14-04 05:59 AM   #91 
  - Is the DLC democratically elected?  rman   Dec-14-04 06:56 AM   #92 
  - They're a think tank essentially  JohnKleeb   Dec-14-04 12:20 PM   #93 
     - Seems to me, when the DLC speaks the media repeat it.  rman   Dec-14-04 01:31 PM   #95 
  - not to mention incredibly stupid.  John_H   Dec-14-04 01:56 PM   #96 
  - call it what you will  Blue_Tires   Dec-14-04 05:49 PM   #98 
  - Zell Miller  DaveinMD   Dec-14-04 07:02 PM   #99 
     - Thank you, right it would be bad if we lost people like Salazar  JohnKleeb   Dec-14-04 10:41 PM   #102 
        - thanks John  DaveinMD   Dec-14-04 10:51 PM   #103 
           - Thanks, its been rough, I wish this thread were locked honest since I'm  JohnKleeb   Dec-14-04 10:54 PM   #104 
           - I agree. John brought up an incredibly relevant topic  Rhiannon12866   Dec-18-04 04:15 AM   #106 
  - Big difference between 'purging'--  eridani   Dec-14-04 10:30 PM   #100 
  - Thats not what I am talking about  JohnKleeb   Dec-14-04 10:39 PM   #101 
  - I support Howard Dean for DNC chair.  Rhiannon12866   Dec-18-04 04:38 AM   #107 
  - Hold the phone! I agree with John!  Rhiannon12866   Dec-16-04 05:20 AM   #105 
  - Not democratic, but realistic.  KSAtheist   Dec-18-04 05:34 AM   #108 

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