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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:19 PM
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75. I'm still not sure, but agree the recount efforts are for future elections
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 12:31 PM by ktowntennesseedem
I keep thinking back to 2000 and imagining Gore winning his challenge. As much as I longed for that, it would only have meant the Republicans would counter-challenge ten-fold. You think they picked on Clinton, just imagine how they would have treated Gore after having the election overturned against them. I thought then that with the country as divided as it is, may as well let Dubya tackle the impossible task of uniting us. He did a lousy job of unifying America, although Osama more than made up for it.

I don't really see anything coming of the recount efforts to change the outcome of this election. The uproar from the right would make the situation in Ukraine seem like a playground scuffle between pre-schoolers. I'm convinced there was plenty of fraud, enough even to make Kerry the winner, but I almost prefer to see irrefutable evidence of such fraud coming to light in the first few months of term-two. That storm cloud would hang over his head and bring into question everything he says and does for the next four years--couldn't happen to a more deserving person. And we will hopefully benefit as soon as mid-terms in '06, and definitely by '08.

Back to the original question of whether Kerry won, which brings me to my question: Which is worse? 1) a so-called democracy in which elections are stolen through fraud and we are powerless to prove it and prevent it, or 2) a country that actually has that many stupid, gullible people calling the shots, dancing and making music on the deck of a sinking ship. (think I'll start a post of my own with this one)
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  -Alright - Am I the only DU'er who thinks Kerry actually lost? liberalpragmatist  Nov-27-04 01:41 AM   #0 
  - absolutely not  Syrinx   Nov-27-04 01:44 AM   #1 
  - I dont know  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 01:47 AM   #2 
  - Kerry would have made a FANTASTIC President  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 01:50 AM   #6 
     - I know, I agree with you  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 01:54 AM   #10 
     - Here's what Supreme Court Justice Stevens said  pnorman   Nov-27-04 03:22 AM   #45 
        - I wish I could see it this year  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 03:33 AM   #47 
        - Karl Rove is getting better at it.  pnorman   Nov-27-04 03:47 AM   #49 
        - well then we should work toward taking his banana away from  okieinpain   Nov-27-04 08:39 AM   #55 
        - Worry about future  GFGOHR   Nov-27-04 08:52 AM   #56 
           - Hi GFGOHR!!  newyawker99   Nov-27-04 09:44 AM   #62 
     - I agree, and I would add  ModerateMiddle   Nov-27-04 11:34 AM   #73 
  - Of course not  Mojambo   Nov-27-04 01:48 AM   #3 
  - You are not the ONLY ONE  alittlelark   Nov-27-04 01:49 AM   #4 
  - In the minority?  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-27-04 04:45 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-04 01:49 AM   #5 
  - What happened ?  Yupster   Nov-27-04 03:31 AM   #46 
     - Absentee Ballots have to ARRIVE on election day to be counted....  indigolady   Nov-27-04 02:23 PM   #78 
        - Depends on the state  Blue Wally   Nov-27-04 04:27 PM   #91 
  - I respectfully disagree. The Exit Polls were right and the vote was  missouri dem 2   Nov-27-04 01:52 AM   #7 
  - Only if the media propaganda worked on you.  lthuedk   Nov-27-04 01:53 AM   #8 
  - No. Kerry lost. I hate it but he did.  LOSTintheSOUTH   Nov-27-04 01:54 AM   #9 
  - Ah, what's the point of your post?  Erika   Nov-27-04 01:56 AM   #11 
  - I never said the country was against Democrats  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 02:01 AM   #12 
  - I disagree totally  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:06 AM   #14 
  - The problem with the analogy is I don't see any credible case ...  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 02:18 AM   # 
  - You will never convince these people.  Julien Sorel   Nov-27-04 09:10 AM   #60 
     - Thanks, Julien, that was one of best posts I've read in awhile  Carson   Nov-27-04 10:58 AM   #67 
     - The gremlins did it!!!! Great post!  scarletwoman   Nov-27-04 05:01 PM   #103 
     - I hate to admit it but I have been feeling the same way  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:10 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-04 02:02 AM   #13 
     - Yes, Bush is a King George  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:10 AM   #16 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-04 02:20 AM   #22 
     - No, 2000 wasn't "rigged"  Blue Wally   Nov-27-04 04:37 PM   #94 
        - OMG a voice of cold reason.... What are we to do?  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:17 PM   #108 
           - Wow! Is this DU or Freeperland?  John BigBootay   Nov-27-04 06:28 PM   #119 
  - I disagree But you are entitled to your opinion.  saracat   Nov-27-04 02:10 AM   #15 
  - I agree  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:18 AM   #20 
  - This might be some kind of relevant argument  gumby   Nov-27-04 02:13 AM   #17 
  - I'm in between  realisticphish   Nov-27-04 02:13 AM   #18 
  - I agree!  sushi   Nov-27-04 02:47 AM   #38 
  - That's because you're a....PRAGMATIST. Nice post, don't agree.  autorank   Nov-27-04 02:18 AM   #19 
  - We're all pragmatists and idealists, but we're never each  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 02:20 AM   #23 
  - eh, I kinda wish I'd called myself "Pragmatic Liberal"  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 02:21 AM   #24 
     - Ive been calling myself a progressive realist for the past month or so  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 02:24 AM   #25 
     - Idealism=Raiders; Pragmatism=Steelers  autorank   Nov-27-04 02:28 AM   #28 
        - nah  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 02:36 AM   #30 
        - OK, so explain the logo? Just kidding.  autorank   Nov-27-04 02:38 AM   #33 
           - ha  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 02:51 AM   #41 
        - False Dichotomy  sangh0   Nov-27-04 11:35 AM   #74 
     - Pragmatist tradition, e.g., William James, John Dewey...  autorank   Nov-27-04 02:27 AM   #27 
        - weren't those guys also behavioralists  JohnKleeb   Nov-27-04 02:37 AM   #32 
           - Good point but you're a bit early.  autorank   Nov-27-04 03:25 PM   #80 
  - There is a large difference between think and know.  realpolitik   Nov-27-04 02:19 AM   #21 
  - nope  NoodleBoy   Nov-27-04 02:27 AM   #26 
  - Several bad scenarios, and what to do...  LibeMatt   Nov-27-04 02:29 AM   #29 
  - Start persuading them  Blue Wally   Nov-27-04 04:44 PM   #95 
  - At the risk of being berated again for being a low-post count "newbie" ...  BansheeDem   Nov-27-04 02:36 AM   #31 
  - Welcome to DU, and thanks for your post!  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 02:41 AM   #35 
  - Actually, we are not in disagreement ...  BansheeDem   Nov-27-04 05:40 AM   #51 
  - I think insuring election cedibility  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:41 AM   #36 
  - Valid elections are fundamenal to a democracy.  Eric J in MN   Nov-27-04 05:51 AM   #53 
  - Excellent post.  Silverhair   Nov-27-04 09:03 AM   #58 
  - Still waiting as to quoted poll figures  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:39 AM   #34 
  - I concede I don't have the figures readily at my fingertips  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 02:42 AM   #37 
     - You throw out figures that you cannot confirm  Erika   Nov-27-04 02:48 AM   #39 
        - I will vouch for liberal pragmatist  Leilani   Nov-27-04 02:55 AM   #44 
        - Ill vouch for the OP as well  Uzybone   Nov-27-04 06:21 PM   #118 
  - you're not alone. most democrats do think Kerry lost  WI_DEM   Nov-27-04 02:48 AM   #40 
  - You're a daring one, LP  Lexingtonian   Nov-27-04 02:52 AM   #42 
  - With some many possibilities for fraud...  Krocksice   Nov-27-04 02:53 AM   #43 
  - Hi Krocksice!!  newyawker99   Nov-27-04 09:53 AM   #63 
  - The provisional count in OH has given me closure. This election is over  fujiyama   Nov-27-04 03:39 AM   #48 
  - Dunno. this data tends to shut my trap whenever I get uppity about the  jadedcherub   Nov-27-04 04:06 AM   #50 
  - It violates the Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution  Eric J in MN   Nov-27-04 05:48 AM   #52 
  - I agree with you, liberalpragmatist.  robcon   Nov-27-04 08:26 AM   #54 
  - I agree too.  Zynx   Nov-27-04 09:06 AM   #59 
  - Denial is a river in Egipt. tell me who were the 11 million extra voters  robbedvoter   Nov-27-04 08:56 AM   #57 
  - I agree  driver8   Nov-27-04 09:37 AM   #61 
     - The problem is that the numbers already speak.......  Truman01   Nov-27-04 04:52 PM   #98 
  - I really don't know if he lost, but I sort of lean toward accepting he did  deutsey   Nov-27-04 10:40 AM   #64 
  - Imagine what would be happening right now if Kerry hadn't conceded  KerryDownUnder   Nov-27-04 10:41 AM   #65 
  - You're not alone.  Carson   Nov-27-04 10:43 AM   #66 
  - I'm starting to think I'm in a liberal bubble -- the country IS rightwing  mainer   Nov-27-04 11:03 AM   #68 
  - I raised that possibility once.  janx   Nov-27-04 11:17 AM   #69 
  - Ironically you have to becareful......  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:02 PM   #105 
  - The American people lost  The Flaming Red Head   Nov-27-04 11:20 AM   #70 
  - No, I've reached acceptance, too.  Padraig18   Nov-27-04 11:22 AM   #71 
  - Actually we did get our troops out.  Julien Sorel   Nov-27-04 03:57 PM   #86 
     - Good clarification.  Padraig18   Nov-27-04 03:59 PM   #88 
     - Yeah, their turnout completely rewrote the game in Ohio  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 04:26 PM   #90 
     - Not sure we got out the vote  Blue Wally   Nov-27-04 04:56 PM   #100 
  - The country *is* right wing  CarbonDate   Nov-27-04 11:31 AM   #72 
  - We assume many times that we are in the majority....  Truman01   Nov-27-04 04:54 PM   #99 
  - I'm still not sure, but agree the recount efforts are for future elections  ktowntennesseedem   Nov-27-04 12:19 PM   #75 
  - kerry lost because he had no message  shawrick   Nov-27-04 02:09 PM   #76 
  - it's the counter-message that democrats keep failing at  noiretblu   Nov-27-04 03:32 PM   #83 
  - Big guvmint health programs  sandnsea   Nov-27-04 03:39 PM   #84 
  - how is it that democrats KEEP excusing disenfranshisement?  noiretblu   Nov-27-04 02:15 PM   #77 
  - I agree we should address the issues  Truman01   Nov-27-04 04:58 PM   #101 
     - did i SAY it WAS a race issue?  noiretblu   Nov-27-04 05:16 PM   #107 
        - Certainly but I don't think long lines are a disenfranchisement. n/t  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:18 PM   #109 
           - what are they? if people "can't" vote because of long lines?  noiretblu   Nov-27-04 05:21 PM   #110 
              - I voted, and thousands of others did too  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:24 PM   #113 
                 - as i said...perhaps we need to raise our expectations  noiretblu   Nov-27-04 05:31 PM   #115 
                    - I certainly concede that point. n/t  Truman01   Nov-27-04 05:40 PM   #116 
  - The repugs would be going ape if these things had happened to  mbee   Nov-27-04 02:25 PM   #79 
  - well said, mbee  driver8   Nov-27-04 05:29 PM   #114 
  - No . Kerry LOST.  ramapo   Nov-27-04 03:31 PM   #81 
  - Your kidding, right?  AngryAmish   Nov-27-04 03:32 PM   #82 
  - No, Kerry lost  jsw_81   Nov-27-04 03:42 PM   #85 
  - I'm sorry, but you seem to have have your head in the sand for the past  mbee   Nov-27-04 03:58 PM   #87 
  - The Kerry cabinet threads really piss me off  liberalpragmatist   Nov-27-04 04:27 PM   #92 
  - yet * is so willing to point fingers at the Ukraine election  RegexReader   Nov-27-04 05:23 PM   #112 
  - Kerry had an opportunity to ensure voting integrity  FubarFly   Nov-27-04 04:16 PM   #89 
  - No, you're not the only one.  Cuban_Liberal   Nov-27-04 04:31 PM   #93 
  - Until I see some credible evidence he lost fair and square  PrisonerLazy8   Nov-27-04 04:50 PM   #97 
  - The smoking gun may be there, I doubt we will ever see it.  gordianot   Nov-27-04 05:02 PM   #104 
     - Life is horrible now?  PrisonerLazy8   Nov-27-04 05:21 PM   #111 
        - I am living well, so far.  gordianot   Nov-27-04 08:48 PM   #120 
  - Can't stand Kerry and fellow defeatists such as you, but ABB won!  robbedvoter   Nov-27-04 04:58 PM   #102 
  - Not by the numbers we've been given  Generator   Nov-27-04 06:01 PM   #117 

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