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Sat Nov-27-04 10:41 AM
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| 65. Imagine what would be happening right now if Kerry hadn't conceded |
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There would be many more articles/interviews/air time given to the BBV issues, the lack of paper trials, and other issues that go out the foundation of our democracy (including whether or not Bush stole this thing). But I do agree, to a point, that while that coverage is much needed it would have been prefaced with Tweety and every other talking head asking over and over and over again "How's he going to pull this out". I have no confidence that the media would be able to set aside their bias and look at this issue without beating Kerry and the Democratic party over the head with it at every opportunity. That said, the recounts - although I have zero confidence that they're going to overturn anything - are a good way to spotlight the folly of how we're conducting elections.
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| -Alright - Am I the only DU'er who thinks Kerry actually lost? |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 01:41 AM |
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absolutely not |
Syrinx |
Nov-27-04 01:44 AM |
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I dont know |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 01:47 AM |
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Kerry would have made a FANTASTIC President |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 01:50 AM |
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I know, I agree with you |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 01:54 AM |
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Here's what Supreme Court Justice Stevens said |
pnorman |
Nov-27-04 03:22 AM |
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I wish I could see it this year |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 03:33 AM |
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Karl Rove is getting better at it. |
pnorman |
Nov-27-04 03:47 AM |
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well then we should work toward taking his banana away from |
okieinpain |
Nov-27-04 08:39 AM |
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Worry about future |
GFGOHR |
Nov-27-04 08:52 AM |
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Hi GFGOHR!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-27-04 09:44 AM |
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I agree, and I would add |
ModerateMiddle |
Nov-27-04 11:34 AM |
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Of course not |
Mojambo |
Nov-27-04 01:48 AM |
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You are not the ONLY ONE |
alittlelark |
Nov-27-04 01:49 AM |
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In the minority? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-27-04 04:45 PM |
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Nov-27-04 01:49 AM |
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What happened ? |
Yupster |
Nov-27-04 03:31 AM |
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Absentee Ballots have to ARRIVE on election day to be counted.... |
indigolady |
Nov-27-04 02:23 PM |
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Depends on the state |
Blue Wally |
Nov-27-04 04:27 PM |
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I respectfully disagree. The Exit Polls were right and the vote was |
missouri dem 2 |
Nov-27-04 01:52 AM |
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Only if the media propaganda worked on you. |
lthuedk |
Nov-27-04 01:53 AM |
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No. Kerry lost. I hate it but he did. |
LOSTintheSOUTH |
Nov-27-04 01:54 AM |
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Ah, what's the point of your post? |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 01:56 AM |
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I never said the country was against Democrats |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 02:01 AM |
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I disagree totally |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:06 AM |
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The problem with the analogy is I don't see any credible case ... |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 02:18 AM |
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You will never convince these people. |
Julien Sorel |
Nov-27-04 09:10 AM |
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Thanks, Julien, that was one of best posts I've read in awhile |
Carson |
Nov-27-04 10:58 AM |
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The gremlins did it!!!! Great post! |
scarletwoman |
Nov-27-04 05:01 PM |
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I hate to admit it but I have been feeling the same way |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:10 PM |
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Nov-27-04 02:02 AM |
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Yes, Bush is a King George |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:10 AM |
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Nov-27-04 02:20 AM |
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No, 2000 wasn't "rigged" |
Blue Wally |
Nov-27-04 04:37 PM |
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OMG a voice of cold reason.... What are we to do? |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:17 PM |
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Wow! Is this DU or Freeperland? |
John BigBootay |
Nov-27-04 06:28 PM |
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I disagree But you are entitled to your opinion. |
saracat |
Nov-27-04 02:10 AM |
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I agree |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:18 AM |
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This might be some kind of relevant argument |
gumby |
Nov-27-04 02:13 AM |
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I'm in between |
realisticphish |
Nov-27-04 02:13 AM |
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I agree! |
sushi |
Nov-27-04 02:47 AM |
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That's because you're a....PRAGMATIST. Nice post, don't agree. |
autorank |
Nov-27-04 02:18 AM |
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We're all pragmatists and idealists, but we're never each |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 02:20 AM |
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eh, I kinda wish I'd called myself "Pragmatic Liberal" |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 02:21 AM |
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Ive been calling myself a progressive realist for the past month or so |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 02:24 AM |
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Idealism=Raiders; Pragmatism=Steelers |
autorank |
Nov-27-04 02:28 AM |
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nah |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 02:36 AM |
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OK, so explain the logo? Just kidding. |
autorank |
Nov-27-04 02:38 AM |
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ha |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 02:51 AM |
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False Dichotomy |
sangh0 |
Nov-27-04 11:35 AM |
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Pragmatist tradition, e.g., William James, John Dewey... |
autorank |
Nov-27-04 02:27 AM |
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weren't those guys also behavioralists |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-04 02:37 AM |
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Good point but you're a bit early. |
autorank |
Nov-27-04 03:25 PM |
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There is a large difference between think and know. |
realpolitik |
Nov-27-04 02:19 AM |
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nope |
NoodleBoy |
Nov-27-04 02:27 AM |
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Several bad scenarios, and what to do... |
LibeMatt |
Nov-27-04 02:29 AM |
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Start persuading them |
Blue Wally |
Nov-27-04 04:44 PM |
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At the risk of being berated again for being a low-post count "newbie" ... |
BansheeDem |
Nov-27-04 02:36 AM |
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Welcome to DU, and thanks for your post! |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 02:41 AM |
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Actually, we are not in disagreement ... |
BansheeDem |
Nov-27-04 05:40 AM |
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I think insuring election cedibility |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:41 AM |
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Valid elections are fundamenal to a democracy. |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-27-04 05:51 AM |
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Excellent post. |
Silverhair |
Nov-27-04 09:03 AM |
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Still waiting as to quoted poll figures |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:39 AM |
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I concede I don't have the figures readily at my fingertips |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 02:42 AM |
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You throw out figures that you cannot confirm |
Erika |
Nov-27-04 02:48 AM |
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I will vouch for liberal pragmatist |
Leilani |
Nov-27-04 02:55 AM |
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Ill vouch for the OP as well |
Uzybone |
Nov-27-04 06:21 PM |
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you're not alone. most democrats do think Kerry lost |
WI_DEM |
Nov-27-04 02:48 AM |
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You're a daring one, LP |
Lexingtonian |
Nov-27-04 02:52 AM |
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With some many possibilities for fraud... |
Krocksice |
Nov-27-04 02:53 AM |
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Hi Krocksice!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-27-04 09:53 AM |
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The provisional count in OH has given me closure. This election is over |
fujiyama |
Nov-27-04 03:39 AM |
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Dunno. this data tends to shut my trap whenever I get uppity about the |
jadedcherub |
Nov-27-04 04:06 AM |
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It violates the Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-27-04 05:48 AM |
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I agree with you, liberalpragmatist. |
robcon |
Nov-27-04 08:26 AM |
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I agree too. |
Zynx |
Nov-27-04 09:06 AM |
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Denial is a river in Egipt. tell me who were the 11 million extra voters |
robbedvoter |
Nov-27-04 08:56 AM |
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I agree |
driver8 |
Nov-27-04 09:37 AM |
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The problem is that the numbers already speak....... |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 04:52 PM |
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I really don't know if he lost, but I sort of lean toward accepting he did |
deutsey |
Nov-27-04 10:40 AM |
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Imagine what would be happening right now if Kerry hadn't conceded |
KerryDownUnder |
Nov-27-04 10:41 AM |
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You're not alone. |
Carson |
Nov-27-04 10:43 AM |
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I'm starting to think I'm in a liberal bubble -- the country IS rightwing |
mainer |
Nov-27-04 11:03 AM |
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I raised that possibility once. |
janx |
Nov-27-04 11:17 AM |
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Ironically you have to becareful...... |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:02 PM |
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The American people lost |
The Flaming Red Head |
Nov-27-04 11:20 AM |
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No, I've reached acceptance, too. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-27-04 11:22 AM |
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Actually we did get our troops out. |
Julien Sorel |
Nov-27-04 03:57 PM |
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Good clarification. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-27-04 03:59 PM |
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Yeah, their turnout completely rewrote the game in Ohio |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 04:26 PM |
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Not sure we got out the vote |
Blue Wally |
Nov-27-04 04:56 PM |
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The country *is* right wing |
CarbonDate |
Nov-27-04 11:31 AM |
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We assume many times that we are in the majority.... |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 04:54 PM |
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I'm still not sure, but agree the recount efforts are for future elections |
ktowntennesseedem |
Nov-27-04 12:19 PM |
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kerry lost because he had no message |
shawrick |
Nov-27-04 02:09 PM |
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it's the counter-message that democrats keep failing at |
noiretblu |
Nov-27-04 03:32 PM |
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Big guvmint health programs |
sandnsea |
Nov-27-04 03:39 PM |
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how is it that democrats KEEP excusing disenfranshisement? |
noiretblu |
Nov-27-04 02:15 PM |
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I agree we should address the issues |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 04:58 PM |
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did i SAY it WAS a race issue? |
noiretblu |
Nov-27-04 05:16 PM |
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Certainly but I don't think long lines are a disenfranchisement. n/t |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:18 PM |
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what are they? if people "can't" vote because of long lines? |
noiretblu |
Nov-27-04 05:21 PM |
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I voted, and thousands of others did too |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:24 PM |
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as i said...perhaps we need to raise our expectations |
noiretblu |
Nov-27-04 05:31 PM |
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I certainly concede that point. n/t |
Truman01 |
Nov-27-04 05:40 PM |
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The repugs would be going ape if these things had happened to |
mbee |
Nov-27-04 02:25 PM |
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well said, mbee |
driver8 |
Nov-27-04 05:29 PM |
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No . Kerry LOST. |
ramapo |
Nov-27-04 03:31 PM |
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Your kidding, right? |
AngryAmish |
Nov-27-04 03:32 PM |
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No, Kerry lost |
jsw_81 |
Nov-27-04 03:42 PM |
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I'm sorry, but you seem to have have your head in the sand for the past |
mbee |
Nov-27-04 03:58 PM |
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The Kerry cabinet threads really piss me off |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-27-04 04:27 PM |
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yet * is so willing to point fingers at the Ukraine election |
RegexReader |
Nov-27-04 05:23 PM |
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Kerry had an opportunity to ensure voting integrity |
FubarFly |
Nov-27-04 04:16 PM |
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No, you're not the only one. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Nov-27-04 04:31 PM |
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Until I see some credible evidence he lost fair and square |
PrisonerLazy8 |
Nov-27-04 04:50 PM |
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The smoking gun may be there, I doubt we will ever see it. |
gordianot |
Nov-27-04 05:02 PM |
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Life is horrible now? |
PrisonerLazy8 |
Nov-27-04 05:21 PM |
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I am living well, so far. |
gordianot |
Nov-27-04 08:48 PM |
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Can't stand Kerry and fellow defeatists such as you, but ABB won! |
robbedvoter |
Nov-27-04 04:58 PM |
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Not by the numbers we've been given |
Generator |
Nov-27-04 06:01 PM |
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