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Thu Nov-25-04 09:14 AM
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| 135. I appreciate your considerate discussion of issues. Living in a |
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so-called red state, I hear a lot of discussion which is not nearly as calm or considerate.
I can understand your reasoning on many of the issues, though I disagree with them. One point, however, I must point out is that the WMD intelligence was not simply inaccurate. It was manufactured by this administration. CIA reports before the war clearly stated that Saddam had no capacity for building WMDs. The information that was listened to went from our paid agent, Chalabi, directly to the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, and was then presented as the only reliable information. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Bush wanted this war. The only listened to information that supported their view.
This has been common knowledge for months, ever since the administration disavowed Chalabi, or rather since they got from Chalabi what they needed then threw him away.
If I took at face value what the government said, I would likely have supported the war myself -- I come from a military family and served in the Marines, and am not opposed to war in principle recognizing its occasional necessity. But Watergate taught me to look twice at everything any government official says, and where possible to examine the sources.
This administration is simply not credible in either the war in Iraq or the war on terror.
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| -An explanation of a vote for Kerry AWESOME LETTER! |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 11:48 AM |
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Wow |
eddiebrowns |
Nov-24-04 11:53 AM |
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Chills run up and down my spine. |
Straight Shooter |
Nov-24-04 11:53 AM |
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wow nt |
mstrsplinter326 |
Nov-24-04 11:53 AM |
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WOW |
okieinpain |
Nov-24-04 11:54 AM |
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Crying |
Winamericaback |
Nov-24-04 11:57 AM |
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I'm at work |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-24-04 04:29 PM |
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Awesome letter but that closing paragraph is a, uh, I guess since I can't |
fob |
Nov-24-04 11:57 AM |
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Nominated. |
treading_water |
Nov-24-04 12:02 PM |
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Incredible letter |
Cornus |
Nov-24-04 12:04 PM |
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What a wonderful letter |
sushi |
Nov-24-04 12:05 PM |
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If we can keep it alive here maybe it will spread far and beyond |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 12:49 PM |
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This letter is really making the rounds today. An attorney friend |
vickie |
Nov-24-04 09:07 PM |
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During the campaign many made pamphlets to |
jwirr |
Nov-25-04 06:14 PM |
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EMAILS |
Maraya1969 |
Nov-25-04 11:57 PM |
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I don't think that the people in the red states. . . |
brensgrrl |
Nov-25-04 09:03 PM |
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Beautifully said. |
silverweb |
Nov-26-04 01:14 PM |
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I'd like to keep this letter. All the important points were made & |
8_year_nightmare |
Nov-24-04 12:05 PM |
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I received this letter by e-mail, 2nd hand. |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 12:46 PM |
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Thanks for sharing it. I don't think it could have been written better.:) |
8_year_nightmare |
Nov-24-04 02:31 PM |
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It appears to have been written by a 'Susan Schroeder' |
49 percenter |
Nov-24-04 02:47 PM |
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yes, it appears so... |
shuffnew |
Nov-24-04 10:35 PM |
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Thank you for the links! |
LOCxHippy |
Nov-28-04 01:36 AM |
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Here's a direct link |
TexasProgresive |
Nov-24-04 10:41 PM |
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Thanks so much for the information and the link |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 10:45 PM |
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Hi 49 percenter!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:37 PM |
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I just sent that to everyone in my address book. eom |
RaleighNCDem |
Nov-24-04 12:10 PM |
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Me too... |
bush_is_wacko |
Nov-24-04 12:18 PM |
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I don't live in New York... |
mutley_r_us |
Nov-24-04 02:39 PM |
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Right on the money |
JaneDoughnut |
Nov-24-04 12:13 PM |
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Wow... |
RetroLounge |
Nov-24-04 12:16 PM |
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Excellent Letter |
angrydemocrat |
Nov-24-04 12:41 PM |
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wow |
KyndCulture |
Nov-24-04 12:27 PM |
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An awesome letter--but ... |
Bridget Burke |
Nov-24-04 12:34 PM |
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We can nit pick anything apart if that is our intention |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 12:44 PM |
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I'm a Blue Stater in TEXAS (Pink State) too... (n/t) |
shuffnew |
Nov-24-04 11:41 PM |
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The truth hurts |
graywarrior |
Nov-24-04 12:37 PM |
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Muy excelente... |
karlrschneider |
Nov-24-04 12:50 PM |
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Beautiful n/t |
Sinti |
Nov-24-04 12:50 PM |
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Speechless...crying... |
boi1946 |
Nov-24-04 01:35 PM |
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That needs to go to every newspaper |
ronnykmarshall |
Nov-24-04 01:49 PM |
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kick |
northamericancitizen |
Nov-24-04 02:00 PM |
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I too had friends that died on 9/11 |
pnutchuck |
Nov-24-04 02:00 PM |
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Nov-24-04 04:21 PM |
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Will refute all your arguements when I get home from work |
walldude |
Nov-24-04 04:38 PM |
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I have often wondered, if life begins at conception, why do we |
merh |
Nov-24-04 11:43 PM |
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Here is the type of rebuttal I get |
Maraya1969 |
Nov-26-04 12:13 AM |
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Amazing. |
sleepyhead |
Nov-24-04 02:20 PM |
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TRULY INSPIRING! |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-24-04 02:21 PM |
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Amazing and true. |
ExclamationPoint |
Nov-24-04 02:24 PM |
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Nov-24-04 02:24 PM |
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Well... |
Chimpanzee |
Nov-24-04 02:41 PM |
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Well said DruMo. |
Demrock6 |
Nov-24-04 02:42 PM |
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Blue State Voter Responds to Bush Voter |
talk hard |
Nov-24-04 02:45 PM |
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Bravo! |
brensgrrl |
Nov-25-04 10:27 PM |
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You should send that to all the heavy red-state papers |
zbdent |
Nov-24-04 02:35 PM |
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What's sad, though, is the reaction from people at the gopusa site, |
calimary |
Nov-24-04 09:09 PM |
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Where is that response? |
charley |
Nov-29-04 04:43 PM |
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You rule. |
RubyCat |
Nov-24-04 02:45 PM |
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My blue county |
Chalco |
Nov-24-04 03:12 PM |
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"Welfare State" would describe the Red States... |
rfranklin |
Nov-24-04 04:35 PM |
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It's called projection |
Chalco |
Nov-24-04 07:51 PM |
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Not Really. |
stevegrogan |
Nov-24-04 09:25 PM |
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Welcome to the DU! |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 08:37 PM |
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Thanks |
Chalco |
Nov-25-04 07:46 AM |
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Hi Chalco!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:42 PM |
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Nov-24-04 03:18 PM |
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if this post is any sort of indication... |
mutley_r_us |
Nov-24-04 03:24 PM |
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Nov-24-04 03:41 PM |
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You listen to Rush |
dmac |
Nov-24-04 03:38 PM |
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Nov-24-04 03:59 PM |
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Try visiting the freerepublic if you can stomache it |
walldude |
Nov-24-04 04:01 PM |
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what comments.... |
mutley_r_us |
Nov-24-04 04:28 PM |
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No, sorry, we aren't interested in your vote |
yankeedem |
Nov-24-04 03:40 PM |
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Nov-24-04 09:28 PM |
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You don't know anything about American History |
Kathy in Cambridge |
Nov-24-04 10:19 PM |
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I would suggest that perhaps... |
Dr_eldritch |
Nov-25-04 02:06 AM |
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THIS is what made you fear for your life? |
Meme |
Nov-24-04 03:56 PM |
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The fact that you listen to Rush shows |
walldude |
Nov-24-04 03:58 PM |
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So this is the kind of paranoia that has been fed to you by your party |
demo dutch |
Nov-24-04 04:03 PM |
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Did you say Falwell??? |
Nightwing |
Nov-24-04 04:08 PM |
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How Common Ground Could Be Found |
Firefly2004 |
Nov-24-04 04:36 PM |
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I saw this right after the election and my first thought was |
dmac |
Nov-24-04 03:23 PM |
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Nov-24-04 03:33 PM |
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Can that vote be audited? |
Dr_eldritch |
Nov-25-04 02:15 AM |
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That is beautiful. |
yardwork |
Nov-24-04 03:36 PM |
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Thanks! I gave it a permanent home on my web site |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-24-04 04:18 PM |
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I am thankful that someone was able to |
Stew225 |
Nov-24-04 04:27 PM |
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You're welcome |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-24-04 04:49 PM |
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Just awesome!! nt |
othermeans |
Nov-26-04 09:40 PM |
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Profound! |
Window |
Nov-24-04 04:24 PM |
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As one who 'voted blue in a red state,' let's not forget there |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Nov-24-04 04:41 PM |
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From a blue dot in red-state Idaho, agreed. |
IDemo |
Nov-24-04 06:36 PM |
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I know others have said this, but...Wow. |
seaj11 |
Nov-24-04 05:59 PM |
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Questions..... |
HappyLibin2008 |
Nov-24-04 07:08 PM |
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Yeah. |
seaj11 |
Nov-24-04 09:45 PM |
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Thanks! |
HappyLibin2008 |
Nov-25-04 08:33 AM |
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Hi HappyLibin2008!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:44 PM |
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This is a very good letter, but includes a media-induced fallacy |
gristy |
Nov-24-04 07:04 PM |
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You can beleive what you want... |
lakeguy |
Nov-24-04 07:40 PM |
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Well put, gristy. n/t |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-25-04 08:52 AM |
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thank you |
howgroovy |
Nov-24-04 07:14 PM |
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Wow!!!! |
Greylyn58 |
Nov-24-04 07:31 PM |
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That was powerful... |
slor |
Nov-24-04 07:59 PM |
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Loved the Letter |
bluestateboomer |
Nov-24-04 08:21 PM |
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Hi bluestateboomer!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:46 PM |
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Nov-24-04 08:41 PM |
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Your arguments are weak at best |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 09:03 PM |
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Nov-25-04 07:15 AM |
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This typifies the dreamworld that the Bush supporters live in. . . |
brensgrrl |
Nov-25-04 10:45 PM |
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response |
Winamericaback |
Nov-24-04 10:04 PM |
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Nov-25-04 08:31 AM |
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I appreciate your considerate discussion of issues. Living in a |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-25-04 09:14 AM |
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Welcome to the DU |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 09:04 PM |
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Inane. |
The Minus World |
Nov-25-04 05:30 AM |
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Clap Clap |
Winamericaback |
Nov-25-04 09:18 AM |
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Why So Defensive |
stevegrogan |
Nov-24-04 09:22 PM |
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Nov-24-04 09:23 PM |
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response |
Winamericaback |
Nov-24-04 09:43 PM |
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Nov-24-04 10:05 PM |
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Thank you |
Winamericaback |
Nov-24-04 10:15 PM |
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Nov-25-04 05:42 AM |
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Sanctfication by state |
okasha |
Nov-25-04 07:04 PM |
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Two things mainly: |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 09:44 PM |
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You may have your opinions, but it doesn't mean you have the right |
Gman |
Nov-24-04 10:01 PM |
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Nov-24-04 10:20 PM |
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Tell me EXACTLY WHEN you chose to STOP LISTENING? |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-24-04 10:38 PM |
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... when it becomes obvious that any self-appointed so-called educator ... |
Kaysera |
Nov-24-04 11:55 PM |
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The fact is that there is no common ground |
Gman |
Nov-24-04 10:53 PM |
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You purposely avoided mention of my discussion of partial birth abortion |
Gman |
Nov-25-04 09:48 AM |
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I had a friend who thought |
hfojvt |
Nov-24-04 11:41 PM |
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Ohiovoter2 has obviously NOT seen F911 |
Gman |
Nov-25-04 07:55 AM |
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Nov-25-04 09:57 AM |
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There are idiots on both sides |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-25-04 10:40 AM |
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Damn damn damn |
Puglover |
Nov-26-04 06:53 AM |
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wow... bravo! what an artful rebuttal. n/t |
President Kerry |
Nov-27-04 10:03 PM |
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How exactly would you define American interests? |
hippywife |
Nov-25-04 07:48 AM |
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280+ million American lives ? |
Kaysera |
Nov-25-04 08:52 AM |
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But... |
hippywife |
Nov-25-04 12:37 PM |
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I so totally agree with everything that you say! |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-25-04 12:57 PM |
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The President takes a vow to protect the lives of Americans. |
Kaysera |
Nov-25-04 01:51 PM |
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Protecting the lives of Americans |
hippywife |
Nov-25-04 03:27 PM |
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Very good!! |
Macperdilia |
Nov-25-04 02:17 PM |
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Hi Macperdilia!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:51 PM |
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Hi newy!!! |
Macperdilia |
Nov-25-04 08:12 PM |
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Why do you think Bush is competent at fighting terrorism when |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-25-04 08:04 AM |
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Nov-25-04 08:58 AM |
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Osama wants to nuke us. |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-25-04 09:08 AM |
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Hmm |
Winamericaback |
Nov-25-04 09:26 AM |
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News and Media have failed us all |
cyberpj in DE |
Nov-25-04 10:35 AM |
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Clinton didn't let a 9/11 happen on his watch. In fact they stopped |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-25-04 01:03 PM |
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Uhhh, I think training Osama helped pave the way to 9/11 |
cidliz2004 |
Nov-25-04 10:24 PM |
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This is one of the best threads I've ever read on DU |
Fighting Irish |
Nov-24-04 10:05 PM |
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Nov-24-04 10:12 PM |
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Hey, what you do in your spare time... |
Fighting Irish |
Nov-24-04 10:15 PM |
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LOL! |
HoosierClarkie |
Nov-24-04 11:01 PM |
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Nov-24-04 10:12 PM |
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Wonderfully awesome letter! |
MacVet |
Nov-24-04 10:54 PM |
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Hi MacVet!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:52 PM |
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Does this woman actually think that everyone in between |
janx |
Nov-24-04 11:45 PM |
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I don't know what makes me more sad... |
Dr_eldritch |
Nov-25-04 01:48 AM |
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Very powerful. Thanks |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-25-04 01:56 AM |
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Excellent letter. |
Ima |
Nov-25-04 04:04 AM |
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Glad this was on the front page. |
TexasLady |
Nov-25-04 08:00 AM |
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self delete -- |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-25-04 08:03 AM |
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I must say |
progressivedancer |
Nov-25-04 08:56 AM |
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Nov-25-04 11:00 AM |
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The letter was written by Susan Schroeder. |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-25-04 08:06 AM |
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Careful if you sign in - they trick you into accepting mail, having e-mail |
robbedvoter |
Nov-25-04 10:04 AM |
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I only wish the writer knew we won, were robbed. Other than that |
robbedvoter |
Nov-25-04 09:58 AM |
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If anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you. |
SF Bay Area Dem |
Nov-25-04 10:56 AM |
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I'm blue, too |
Chalco |
Nov-25-04 11:05 AM |
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i want to know why this letter isnt on some front page |
toymachines |
Nov-25-04 11:17 AM |
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why isnt this on the front page of every newspaper? |
toymachines |
Nov-25-04 11:20 AM |
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Wow! |
tlmstar |
Nov-25-04 12:07 PM |
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Hi tlmstar!! |
newyawker99 |
Nov-25-04 06:54 PM |
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Red Voter Poll |
trappednaredstate |
Nov-25-04 10:09 PM |
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Excellent Letter. I appreciate the author's self-disclosure. |
rhys2k1 |
Nov-25-04 05:19 PM |
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RE: My Maryland Hat off to New York Letter! |
AuntiBush |
Nov-25-04 07:31 PM |
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Another Marylander weigh in |
cpa |
Nov-26-04 05:18 PM |
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See Bushie's response on the website where the letter is (follows it) |
robbedvoter |
Nov-25-04 09:02 PM |
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RE: Apology Site New to USA from Round the World |
AuntiBush |
Nov-25-04 09:06 PM |
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Ah Shucks! |
brensgrrl |
Nov-25-04 11:10 PM |
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I live in NY city also |
EnfantTerrible |
Nov-26-04 07:39 PM |
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I also "explained my vote" in a letter to the editor of my local paper. |
hansolsen |
Nov-26-04 09:23 PM |
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Very Good Response |
cpa |
Nov-27-04 03:39 AM |
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WONDERFUL, HEART-WRENCHING -- TRUTHS! |
tahoebashadem |
Nov-27-04 12:27 PM |
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A fairly reasonable response to the letter |
wellst |
Nov-28-04 01:41 PM |
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Response |
cpa |
Nov-29-04 04:42 AM |
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Facts |
VTHoosierPatriot |
Nov-29-04 07:37 PM |
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I just sent this off |
Nederland |
Nov-29-04 04:54 PM |
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and when are you enlisting? |
Neo |
Nov-30-04 12:08 AM |
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He is |
A_Soldier |
Nov-30-04 12:10 PM |
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I don't think my life is bad |
VTHoosierPatriot |
Nov-30-04 12:53 PM |
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"FOX...won't show you the good things that happen there"??? |
Hong Kong Cavalier |
Nov-30-04 02:57 PM |
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Blue State vs. Red State...We're All Screwed. |
Deep N RedLand |
Nov-30-04 07:19 PM |
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