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Fri Nov-19-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #84 |
| 87. Reagan was unabashedly conservative |
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and yes charismatic. But in 84 the country new where he stood and voted overwhelmingly for him....even though many perceived him as a dunce. The fact of the matter is, the country was voting for a VERY conservative president long before Clinton. They were already heading right, Clinton was trying to stop the slide.
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| -Bill Clinton was CHAIR of the DLC...do you guys really hate him? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:24 AM |
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What I didn't like about Clinton was that he's basically a Republican |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:28 AM |
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So if Bill Clinton ran against shrub |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:29 AM |
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No but look at what you put in the body of your post |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:37 AM |
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Yeah and the us population really buys into that logic. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:54 AM |
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Uh DUDE (I am female) |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:56 AM |
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Thats right, the repukes own the press...theres no way to win. /sarcasm |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:09 AM |
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You should be educating yourself instead of launching ad hominems at me |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 11:16 AM |
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I am really beginning the feel that this board is |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:30 AM |
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Mediamatters.org is illegit? |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:51 AM |
#82 |
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David Brock is president and CEO of media matters |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:57 AM |
#86 |
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Sure. Whatever. |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 12:13 PM |
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you're saying because it has a progressive viewpoint |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:14 PM |
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I'm saying that it is not percieved as legitimate. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:17 PM |
#106 |
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"I'm not going to waste my time reading an illegitimate web site" |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:33 PM |
#119 |
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So national review is legitamate? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:38 PM |
#121 |
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I didn't say anything about the National Review |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:49 PM |
#127 |
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Do you think DU is legitimate? |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-04 12:51 PM |
#129 |
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Greenohio - try reading Brock's "Blinded by the Right" |
Democrat 4 Ever |
Nov-19-04 12:55 PM |
#133 |
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ROFLMAO....no right wingers don't use facts nor do you |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 12:33 PM |
#118 |
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"illegitimate web site" |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-04 12:50 PM |
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But they never CONNECTED Bush* to the 'Abu Gahrib' scandal... |
Q |
Nov-19-04 01:27 PM |
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If Republicans Give Us Justices Like Breyer And Ginsburg Then Republicans |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-19-04 10:33 AM |
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That's fine if you want to view his accomplishments in a vacuum |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:41 AM |
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Maybe One Day We Can Have A Long Discussion On This |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-19-04 10:46 AM |
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I don't think it began with Nixon's southern strategy |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:52 AM |
#29 |
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We gained house and senate seats in 98. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:56 AM |
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Correction..we MADE UP seats we had lost |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:57 AM |
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We lost the seats in 00 when Gore abandoned Clinton. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:32 AM |
#70 |
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You really ARE a one trick pony aren't you? Ok get a pencil and I'll write |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 12:43 PM |
#124 |
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After historic losses in '94 |
theboss |
Nov-19-04 01:04 PM |
#136 |
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Reagan created Rush Limbaugh |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:50 AM |
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Reagan killed the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE...the equal time rules |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 10:54 AM |
#31 |
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We lost congress in 92 |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:58 AM |
#35 |
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We lost Congress in '94 |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:59 AM |
#38 |
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Your right, I mistyped. You can tell by the content of my post. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:06 AM |
#41 |
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Again, he sent mixed messages |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:12 AM |
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NAFTA was a mistake that KERRY voted FOR...are you saying you voted green? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:16 AM |
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No, I voted magenta |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:18 AM |
#56 |
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"refused to go on the offensive and counter the propaganda onslaught" |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:18 PM |
#108 |
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Sold a liberal bill of goods? |
charlie |
Nov-19-04 11:11 AM |
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Good point. |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:15 AM |
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Gays in the military was not a major tenant, but it was the first thing... |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:17 AM |
#55 |
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Hillary's healthcare died aborning |
charlie |
Nov-19-04 11:25 AM |
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Health care was a big debacle |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:34 AM |
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Boy facts are your enemy..no? We LOST seats in 94..gained some |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 12:48 PM |
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Yup, by running to the right, he made the radical right mainstream |
Walt Starr |
Nov-19-04 10:36 AM |
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Yeah, Reagan had nothing to do with it. /sarcasm |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:19 AM |
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Those were all still considered rightwing nutball |
Walt Starr |
Nov-19-04 11:49 AM |
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Nut ball and landslide don't go together. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:51 AM |
#83 |
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It certainly wasn't over abortion |
Walt Starr |
Nov-19-04 11:53 AM |
#84 |
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Reagan was unabashedly conservative |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:01 PM |
#87 |
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And Clinton succeeeded in pushing both the Democrats and the Republicans |
Walt Starr |
Nov-19-04 12:06 PM |
#92 |
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No, he was running to try to capture moderate voters |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:27 PM |
#114 |
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Yeah, and they went over the cliff anyway |
Walt Starr |
Nov-19-04 12:52 PM |
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That's exactly what I DID like about him. |
janesez |
Nov-19-04 01:01 PM |
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Well then ya gotta love the results too..lost house..lost senate and lost |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 01:11 PM |
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No, no, that's not what I meant. |
janesez |
Nov-19-04 01:15 PM |
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Oh..no...stay..sorry..this whole conversation makes me grouchy :) |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-19-04 01:23 PM |
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Hee! |
janesez |
Nov-19-04 01:24 PM |
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Actually, there were a lot of things I did not like about him |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:30 AM |
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Thats my point. We have to hold our noses to win. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:32 AM |
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Well, it depends on what we're winning |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:37 AM |
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Yeah, we were big time winners before Clinton. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:45 AM |
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Maybe I will |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:47 AM |
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I define winning by BEATING Republicans |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:12 AM |
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Even if we become more like them? |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:14 AM |
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So winning is losing but actually standing firm on principle? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:35 AM |
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As I say, maybe I will from now on, especially if your view |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:43 AM |
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You're an odd one |
charlie |
Nov-19-04 10:48 AM |
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You don't get it do you. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:12 AM |
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No, you're the one telling everyone to vote green |
charlie |
Nov-19-04 11:16 AM |
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Maybe...don't know |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:20 AM |
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The DLC formula without Perot isn't much of a formula either |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:29 PM |
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Perot's effect was debateable. Clinton definately won in 96 without Perot |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:32 PM |
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Polls didn't show anything so clear in '92 |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:42 PM |
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actually |
DaveinMD |
Nov-19-04 12:53 PM |
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I'll take your word on the exit polls |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 01:21 PM |
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I know a lot of liberals who either did vote for Perot or were poised to |
End of all Hope |
Nov-19-04 01:22 PM |
#141 |
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I Keep This In My Favorites For Occasions Like This... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-20-04 11:07 AM |
#156 |
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Well, we did have the house and senate before Clinton (n/t) |
fishwax |
Nov-19-04 12:21 PM |
#111 |
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"Does anybody care about winning?" |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-04 12:54 PM |
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that was then...this is now |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 10:32 AM |
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Horsehocky....the left has gotten more vocal. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:35 AM |
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You're giving yourself away |
unfrigginreal |
Nov-19-04 10:39 AM |
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What fricken ever. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:41 AM |
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Ha HA! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-19-04 12:13 PM |
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the DLC is now led by different people |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:07 PM |
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You either hate the DLC or your a Dittohead? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:22 PM |
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I see it like this |
rniel |
Nov-19-04 10:34 AM |
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my feeling is that the DLC has changed over the year |
WI_DEM |
Nov-19-04 10:40 AM |
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Gore did run left... |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:42 AM |
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Actually, he did win the popular vote and I believe he won FL |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:46 AM |
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He failed to prevent president shrub. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:48 AM |
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I agree with you there |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 10:51 AM |
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Its not what you are it is how you are percieved |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:00 AM |
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Kerry's campaign didn't embrace that rating, did it? |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:09 AM |
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The liberal label stuck with Kerry |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:21 AM |
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Yeah, they're usually found in the GOP |
deutsey |
Nov-19-04 11:24 AM |
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Gore ran left and won the election |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:08 PM |
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And Kerry? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:12 PM |
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is this a question? |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:14 PM |
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He appears to have lost. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:18 PM |
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That was then, this is now |
NoPasaran |
Nov-19-04 10:44 AM |
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How did the DLC lead us to disaster in 04 |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:46 AM |
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NAFTA and gun control (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-19-04 10:51 AM |
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Huh? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:01 AM |
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The DLC supported both then and still do now. |
w4rma |
Nov-19-04 11:12 AM |
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And that played a role in our loss in 04 by? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:13 AM |
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Turning a whole lot of folks who had just voted Democrat toward Repugs |
w4rma |
Nov-19-04 11:33 AM |
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Without revisiting the primary wars... |
NoPasaran |
Nov-19-04 10:59 AM |
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We are still a national party |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:25 AM |
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What I've learnt |
NoPasaran |
Nov-19-04 11:56 AM |
#85 |
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yes let's learn.......... DLC is a group of losers |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:13 PM |
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Bill Clinton that big time loser |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:15 PM |
#105 |
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they forced Kerry to pander to their aggenda |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:11 PM |
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OK |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:13 PM |
#102 |
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yes |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:17 PM |
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I see, so any attempt to attract the center makes you a DLCer |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:26 PM |
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I LOVE Bill Clinton!! |
L84TEA |
Nov-19-04 10:47 AM |
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At least somebody does. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 10:58 AM |
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Ah, faith-based hero worship. |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 11:23 AM |
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Are you saying you like shrub better than Clinton? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:26 AM |
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Trying to read between the lines are we? |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 11:30 AM |
#68 |
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Yeah, I can't see your point. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:43 AM |
#76 |
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There is no spoon. |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 12:05 PM |
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Its getting deep in here... |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:08 PM |
#94 |
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One man's shovel is another man's spoon. |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 12:13 PM |
#101 |
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Maybe stop reading people's minds... |
TreeHuggingLiberal |
Nov-19-04 04:35 PM |
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Au Contraire -DU Has Spoken |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-19-04 11:27 AM |
#67 |
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Please. |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 11:34 AM |
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I'm Just Having A Good Time... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-19-04 11:44 AM |
#78 |
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Hey, I rooted for Clinton as much as I could, |
FubarFly |
Nov-19-04 12:04 PM |
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I just love this... |
L84TEA |
Nov-19-04 11:26 AM |
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the same guy who told Kerry to get on the gay marriage ban bus? |
Snivi Yllom |
Nov-19-04 11:26 AM |
#65 |
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Had Kerry had been more supportive of gay marriage, he would have won? |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 11:47 AM |
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I Agree With You.. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-19-04 11:49 AM |
#80 |
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bullshit....sorry but Clinton was wrong |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:20 PM |
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It's about creating an image of a party with principle, and the |
KnowerOfLogic |
Nov-19-04 04:04 PM |
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I never understood why the right hates Clinton so much. |
hedgehog |
Nov-19-04 11:34 AM |
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There is nothing "progressive" about the DLC... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-19-04 12:03 PM |
#88 |
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Vote on principle or vote to win. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:05 PM |
#91 |
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This is a nonsense thread |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-19-04 12:30 PM |
#116 |
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Yeah anybody who doesn't agree with you must be a troll. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:36 PM |
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Wow. This has been really disappointing. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 12:41 PM |
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Bucket of crud |
charlie |
Nov-19-04 12:44 PM |
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I'm done on this thread. |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-04 12:59 PM |
#134 |
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You started the thread |
TreeHuggingLiberal |
Nov-19-04 04:42 PM |
#152 |
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Welcome to DU. |
greenohio |
Nov-19-04 06:00 PM |
#154 |
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I was active in DLC when Clinton was chair. This DLC ain't Clinton's DLC. |
Merlin |
Nov-19-04 01:12 PM |
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10 Things I Loved About Clinton |
ArtVandaley |
Nov-19-04 01:40 PM |
#145 |
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10 Things I Loved About Clinton |
ArtVandaley |
Nov-19-04 01:40 PM |
#146 |
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No, but I resent his caving in to the rightwing all the time |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-19-04 02:57 PM |
#147 |
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Clinton never got more than 43% of the vote! He's not God. |
KnowerOfLogic |
Nov-19-04 03:57 PM |
#148 |
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He got 49% with perot buddy |
lessthanjake |
Nov-19-04 04:19 PM |
#150 |
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No |
quiet.american |
Nov-19-04 05:51 PM |
#153 |
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Kick |
greenohio |
Nov-20-04 10:59 AM |
#155 |
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It's interesting... |
Q |
Nov-20-04 11:21 AM |
#157 |
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I'm trying to help us win. |
greenohio |
Nov-20-04 11:23 AM |
#158 |
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