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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:28 AM
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1. What I didn't like about Clinton was that he's basically a Republican
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  -Bill Clinton was CHAIR of the DLC...do you guys really hate him? greenohio  Nov-19-04 10:24 AM   #0 
  - What I didn't like about Clinton was that he's basically a Republican  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:28 AM   #1 
  - So if Bill Clinton ran against shrub  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:29 AM   #2 
  - No but look at what you put in the body of your post  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:37 AM   #10 
     - Yeah and the us population really buys into that logic.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:54 AM   #30 
        - Uh DUDE (I am female)  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:56 AM   #33 
           - Thats right, the repukes own the press...theres no way to win. /sarcasm  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:09 AM   #42 
              - You should be educating yourself instead of launching ad hominems at me  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 11:16 AM   #54 
                 - I am really beginning the feel that this board is  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:30 AM   #69 
                    - Mediamatters.org is illegit?  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:51 AM   #82 
                    - David Brock is president and CEO of media matters  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:57 AM   #86 
                       - Sure. Whatever.  deutsey   Nov-19-04 12:13 PM   #99 
                       - you're saying because it has a progressive viewpoint  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:14 PM   #103 
                       - I'm saying that it is not percieved as legitimate.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:17 PM   #106 
                          - "I'm not going to waste my time reading an illegitimate web site"  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:33 PM   #119 
                          - So national review is legitamate?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:38 PM   #121 
                             - I didn't say anything about the National Review  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:49 PM   #127 
                          - Do you think DU is legitimate?  Forkboy   Nov-19-04 12:51 PM   #129 
                       - Greenohio - try reading Brock's "Blinded by the Right"  Democrat 4 Ever   Nov-19-04 12:55 PM   #133 
                    - ROFLMAO....no right wingers don't use facts nor do you  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 12:33 PM   #118 
                    - "illegitimate web site"  Forkboy   Nov-19-04 12:50 PM   #128 
                    - But they never CONNECTED Bush* to the 'Abu Gahrib' scandal...  Q   Nov-19-04 01:27 PM   #144 
  - If Republicans Give Us Justices Like Breyer And Ginsburg Then Republicans  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-19-04 10:33 AM   #6 
  - That's fine if you want to view his accomplishments in a vacuum  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:41 AM   #15 
     - Maybe One Day We Can Have A Long Discussion On This  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-19-04 10:46 AM   #21 
     - I don't think it began with Nixon's southern strategy  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:52 AM   #29 
        - We gained house and senate seats in 98.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:56 AM   #32 
           - Correction..we MADE UP seats we had lost  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:57 AM   #34 
           - We lost the seats in 00 when Gore abandoned Clinton.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:32 AM   #70 
              - You really ARE a one trick pony aren't you? Ok get a pencil and I'll write  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 12:43 PM   #124 
           - After historic losses in '94  theboss   Nov-19-04 01:04 PM   #136 
     - Reagan created Rush Limbaugh  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:50 AM   #26 
        - Reagan killed the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE...the equal time rules  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 10:54 AM   #31 
           - We lost congress in 92  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:58 AM   #35 
              - We lost Congress in '94  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:59 AM   #38 
              - Your right, I mistyped. You can tell by the content of my post.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:06 AM   #41 
                 - Again, he sent mixed messages  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:12 AM   #46 
                    - NAFTA was a mistake that KERRY voted FOR...are you saying you voted green?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:16 AM   #53 
                    - No, I voted magenta  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:18 AM   #56 
                    - "refused to go on the offensive and counter the propaganda onslaught"  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:18 PM   #108 
              - Sold a liberal bill of goods?  charlie   Nov-19-04 11:11 AM   #44 
              - Good point.  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:15 AM   #51 
              - Gays in the military was not a major tenant, but it was the first thing...  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:17 AM   #55 
                 - Hillary's healthcare died aborning  charlie   Nov-19-04 11:25 AM   #63 
                    - Health care was a big debacle  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:34 AM   #72 
              - Boy facts are your enemy..no? We LOST seats in 94..gained some  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 12:48 PM   #126 
  - Yup, by running to the right, he made the radical right mainstream  Walt Starr   Nov-19-04 10:36 AM   #9 
  - Yeah, Reagan had nothing to do with it. /sarcasm  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:19 AM   #57 
     - Those were all still considered rightwing nutball  Walt Starr   Nov-19-04 11:49 AM   #81 
        - Nut ball and landslide don't go together.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:51 AM   #83 
           - It certainly wasn't over abortion  Walt Starr   Nov-19-04 11:53 AM   #84 
              - Reagan was unabashedly conservative  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:01 PM   #87 
                 - And Clinton succeeeded in pushing both the Democrats and the Republicans  Walt Starr   Nov-19-04 12:06 PM   #92 
                    - No, he was running to try to capture moderate voters  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:27 PM   #114 
                       - Yeah, and they went over the cliff anyway  Walt Starr   Nov-19-04 12:52 PM   #130 
  - That's exactly what I DID like about him.  janesez   Nov-19-04 01:01 PM   #135 
     - Well then ya gotta love the results too..lost house..lost senate and lost  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 01:11 PM   #137 
        - No, no, that's not what I meant.  janesez   Nov-19-04 01:15 PM   #139 
           - Oh..no...stay..sorry..this whole conversation makes me grouchy :)  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-19-04 01:23 PM   #142 
              - Hee!  janesez   Nov-19-04 01:24 PM   #143 
  - Actually, there were a lot of things I did not like about him  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:30 AM   #3 
  - Thats my point. We have to hold our noses to win.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:32 AM   #4 
     - Well, it depends on what we're winning  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:37 AM   #11 
     - Yeah, we were big time winners before Clinton.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:45 AM   #18 
        - Maybe I will  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:47 AM   #23 
        - I define winning by BEATING Republicans  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:12 AM   #48 
           - Even if we become more like them?  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:14 AM   #50 
              - So winning is losing but actually standing firm on principle?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:35 AM   #75 
                 - As I say, maybe I will from now on, especially if your view  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:43 AM   #77 
        - You're an odd one  charlie   Nov-19-04 10:48 AM   #25 
        - You don't get it do you.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:12 AM   #45 
           - No, you're the one telling everyone to vote green  charlie   Nov-19-04 11:16 AM   #52 
              - Maybe...don't know  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:20 AM   #58 
              - The DLC formula without Perot isn't much of a formula either  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:29 PM   #115 
                 - Perot's effect was debateable. Clinton definately won in 96 without Perot  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:32 PM   #117 
                    - Polls didn't show anything so clear in '92  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:42 PM   #123 
                       - actually  DaveinMD   Nov-19-04 12:53 PM   #131 
                       - I'll take your word on the exit polls  fishwax   Nov-19-04 01:21 PM   #140 
                       - I know a lot of liberals who either did vote for Perot or were poised to  End of all Hope   Nov-19-04 01:22 PM   #141 
                       - I Keep This In My Favorites For Occasions Like This...  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-20-04 11:07 AM   #156 
        - Well, we did have the house and senate before Clinton (n/t)  fishwax   Nov-19-04 12:21 PM   #111 
     - "Does anybody care about winning?"  Forkboy   Nov-19-04 12:54 PM   #132 
  - that was then...this is now  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 10:32 AM   #5 
  - Horsehocky....the left has gotten more vocal.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:35 AM   #8 
     - You're giving yourself away  unfrigginreal   Nov-19-04 10:39 AM   #12 
     - What fricken ever.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:41 AM   #14 
     - Ha HA!  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-19-04 12:13 PM   #98 
     - the DLC is now led by different people  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:07 PM   #93 
        - You either hate the DLC or your a Dittohead?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:22 PM   #112 
  - I see it like this  rniel   Nov-19-04 10:34 AM   #7 
  - my feeling is that the DLC has changed over the year  WI_DEM   Nov-19-04 10:40 AM   #13 
  - Gore did run left...  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:42 AM   #16 
     - Actually, he did win the popular vote and I believe he won FL  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:46 AM   #20 
     - He failed to prevent president shrub.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:48 AM   #24 
        - I agree with you there  deutsey   Nov-19-04 10:51 AM   #27 
           - Its not what you are it is how you are percieved  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:00 AM   #39 
              - Kerry's campaign didn't embrace that rating, did it?  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:09 AM   #43 
                 - The liberal label stuck with Kerry  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:21 AM   #59 
                    - Yeah, they're usually found in the GOP  deutsey   Nov-19-04 11:24 AM   #61 
     - Gore ran left and won the election  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:08 PM   #95 
        - And Kerry?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:12 PM   #97 
           - is this a question?  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:14 PM   #104 
              - He appears to have lost.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:18 PM   #109 
  - That was then, this is now  NoPasaran   Nov-19-04 10:44 AM   #17 
  - How did the DLC lead us to disaster in 04  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:46 AM   #19 
     - NAFTA and gun control (nt)  w4rma   Nov-19-04 10:51 AM   #28 
     - Huh?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:01 AM   #40 
        - The DLC supported both then and still do now.  w4rma   Nov-19-04 11:12 AM   #47 
           - And that played a role in our loss in 04 by?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:13 AM   #49 
              - Turning a whole lot of folks who had just voted Democrat toward Repugs  w4rma   Nov-19-04 11:33 AM   #71 
     - Without revisiting the primary wars...  NoPasaran   Nov-19-04 10:59 AM   #37 
     - We are still a national party  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:25 AM   #62 
        - What I've learnt  NoPasaran   Nov-19-04 11:56 AM   #85 
        - yes let's learn.......... DLC is a group of losers  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:13 PM   #100 
           - Bill Clinton that big time loser  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:15 PM   #105 
     - they forced Kerry to pander to their aggenda  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:11 PM   #96 
        - OK  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:13 PM   #102 
           - yes  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:17 PM   #107 
              - I see, so any attempt to attract the center makes you a DLCer  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:26 PM   #113 
  - I LOVE Bill Clinton!!  L84TEA   Nov-19-04 10:47 AM   #22 
  - At least somebody does.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 10:58 AM   #36 
     - Ah, faith-based hero worship.  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 11:23 AM   #60 
     - Are you saying you like shrub better than Clinton?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:26 AM   #64 
     - Trying to read between the lines are we?  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 11:30 AM   #68 
     - Yeah, I can't see your point.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:43 AM   #76 
        - There is no spoon.  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 12:05 PM   #90 
           - Its getting deep in here...  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:08 PM   #94 
              - One man's shovel is another man's spoon.  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 12:13 PM   #101 
     - Maybe stop reading people's minds...  TreeHuggingLiberal   Nov-19-04 04:35 PM   #151 
     - Au Contraire -DU Has Spoken  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-19-04 11:27 AM   #67 
        - Please.  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 11:34 AM   #73 
           - I'm Just Having A Good Time...  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-19-04 11:44 AM   #78 
              - Hey, I rooted for Clinton as much as I could,  FubarFly   Nov-19-04 12:04 PM   #89 
     - I just love this...  L84TEA   Nov-19-04 11:26 AM   #66 
  - the same guy who told Kerry to get on the gay marriage ban bus?  Snivi Yllom   Nov-19-04 11:26 AM   #65 
  - Had Kerry had been more supportive of gay marriage, he would have won?  greenohio   Nov-19-04 11:47 AM   #79 
     - I Agree With You..  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-19-04 11:49 AM   #80 
     - bullshit....sorry but Clinton was wrong  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:20 PM   #110 
     - It's about creating an image of a party with principle, and the  KnowerOfLogic   Nov-19-04 04:04 PM   #149 
  - I never understood why the right hates Clinton so much.  hedgehog   Nov-19-04 11:34 AM   #74 
  - There is nothing "progressive" about the DLC...  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-19-04 12:03 PM   #88 
  - Vote on principle or vote to win.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:05 PM   #91 
  - This is a nonsense thread  Cheswick2.0   Nov-19-04 12:30 PM   #116 
  - Yeah anybody who doesn't agree with you must be a troll.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:36 PM   #120 
  - Wow. This has been really disappointing.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 12:41 PM   #122 
  - Bucket of crud  charlie   Nov-19-04 12:44 PM   #125 
  - I'm done on this thread.  Forkboy   Nov-19-04 12:59 PM   #134 
  - You started the thread  TreeHuggingLiberal   Nov-19-04 04:42 PM   #152 
     - Welcome to DU.  greenohio   Nov-19-04 06:00 PM   #154 
  - I was active in DLC when Clinton was chair. This DLC ain't Clinton's DLC.  Merlin   Nov-19-04 01:12 PM   #138 
  - 10 Things I Loved About Clinton  ArtVandaley   Nov-19-04 01:40 PM   #145 
  - 10 Things I Loved About Clinton  ArtVandaley   Nov-19-04 01:40 PM   #146 
  - No, but I resent his caving in to the rightwing all the time  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-19-04 02:57 PM   #147 
  - Clinton never got more than 43% of the vote! He's not God.  KnowerOfLogic   Nov-19-04 03:57 PM   #148 
  - He got 49% with perot buddy  lessthanjake   Nov-19-04 04:19 PM   #150 
  - No  quiet.american   Nov-19-04 05:51 PM   #153 
  - Kick  greenohio   Nov-20-04 10:59 AM   #155 
     - It's interesting...  Q   Nov-20-04 11:21 AM   #157 
        - I'm trying to help us win.  greenohio   Nov-20-04 11:23 AM   #158 
 

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