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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:04 PM
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26. There are some good things in that
post. but if we think the reason we have lost votes is because the conservatives have taken ownership of the "good" words, and stuck us with the "bad" ones, we will never win another election.

Rather than defend the word "liberal", we must defend the ideas that it represents. The election was about ideas, and the conservative's idea won. We tried to pin "Nazi" and "fascist" and "racist" on them, but they didn't stick. They tried to pin "liberal" and other words on us, and evidently they did.

What we need to do is ask ourselves, "why?". Our ideas aren't selling. We can't just assume the conservative electorate is stupid, because they are not. Somehow our ideas are not meeting their needs, and saying they do is not convincing them.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know we didn't find it in November.
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  -Lakoff's 11 Recommendations For Progressive Strategy vet_against_Bush  Nov-18-04 01:02 PM   #0 
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        - Loved it. Thanks for the link.  LawStudentMom   Nov-18-04 01:14 PM   #6 
           - Yes. He is a "Fellow"  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 01:16 PM   #8 
  - Is everyone already aware of RI or do I have to pm all of you?  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 01:12 PM   #4 
  - Great. Post this in the Frame the Debate Group thread.  JohnOneillsMemory   Nov-18-04 01:12 PM   #5 
  - This is a totally accurate perception of what the Dems have been doing  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-18-04 01:14 PM   #7 
  - I think you may have misunderstood one of Lakoff's points  sangh0   Nov-18-04 01:28 PM   #11 
  - Is Lakoff supportive of this dumping of the label liberal? nt  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 01:30 PM   #12 
  - He doesn't specify what we shouldn't say  sangh0   Nov-18-04 01:35 PM   #15 
  - I don't believe Lakoff has said one way or the other, but  blondeatlast   Nov-18-04 03:23 PM   #29 
  - Probably not, but arguing over whether Liberal is a bad word, like...  AP   Nov-18-04 02:45 PM   #23 
     - Excellent point.  blondeatlast   Nov-18-04 03:24 PM   #30 
  - Well said!  Walt Starr   Nov-18-04 02:11 PM   #18 
  - True, when it looked like Shrub was gonna lose the L-word came out  auburngrad82   Nov-18-04 03:17 PM   #27 
     - Lakoff has recommended dropping Liberal, using Progressive instead  TorchesAndPitchforks   Nov-18-04 07:55 PM   #33 
        - Thanks  sangh0   Nov-18-04 09:04 PM   #34 
  - There are some good things in that  forgethell   Nov-18-04 03:04 PM   #26 
  - kick. n/t  Paradise   Nov-18-04 01:22 PM   #9 
  - He has a book too! Must Read! See below...  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 01:25 PM   #10 
  - I'm reading Moral Politics by Lakoff. It's much more detailed.  auburngrad82   Nov-18-04 03:19 PM   #28 
  - Great stuff.  RafterMan   Nov-18-04 01:32 PM   #13 
  - Love Lakoff and progressives...but if you use that word...  madfloridian   Nov-18-04 01:34 PM   #14 
  - ttt n/t  Blue_Tires   Nov-18-04 01:37 PM   #16 
  - kick, nt  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 02:00 PM   #17 
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  - kick, nt  vet_against_Bush   Nov-18-04 02:21 PM   #20 
  - Numbers Two & Five capture why I think Clark was not the best candidate.  AP   Nov-18-04 02:42 PM   #21 
  - The DLC will ignore #1  Larkspur   Nov-18-04 02:43 PM   #22 
  - The DLC takes corporate cash; they'd dump it all if the money says so  Selatius   Nov-18-04 02:49 PM   #24 
  - Not sure how powerful the DLC is these days. The NYT quotes them, but  AP   Nov-18-04 02:53 PM   #25 
  - Oops! I actually meant #11, the DLC would ignore #11  Larkspur   Nov-18-04 03:37 PM   #31 
     - I suggest ignoring those on the left who also use a "Strict Daddy" model  sangh0   Nov-18-04 04:12 PM   #32 
  - kick!  southlandshari   Nov-18-04 10:20 PM   #35 
  - We must promote our common "frames"  natureman   Nov-18-04 10:43 PM   #36 
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